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Thread: Misc Firearms crew LXX: Hold my beer a SEC. Georgia blew a 20-7 lead

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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
Apparently you could not pump your own gas in Oregon until a new law went into effect Jan 1 for small towns? That's really a thing in the 21st Century . . . people could literally not pump their own gas?

Anyway . . . sounds like people are losing their minds over this happening and the impending apocalypse from people pumping their own gas.
Sounds like New Jersey


People are really God damn stupid and all people, everywhere, are absolutely piss terrified of change and Liberty and other people and themselves.

FFS we had people at my last location of residence losing their mind because we started doing daylight savings time. They were ranting about how the electrical demands would change so much we'd have the first rolling blackouts and such.

This is why it's so hard to de-regulate or de-criminalize things, and why Liberty is so ****ing terrifying to so many people. Too much change, not enough control exercised over them, too much responsibility...
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Originally Posted By Tormoz⏩
Last I remember OR always had someone pump your gas for you. Keeps the hard working people employed.
I had this girl open carrying her XD at the mall the other week, was slightly tempted to slip it out of her holster and tell her to stop being a kunt. She was probably 5,2 max. Any man could easily overpower her and take her gun. Idk why its even a rational thing to do...
So do it.

I"m sure there's no way you'd get shot
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Originally Posted By spirit750⏩
Just ordered the Streamlight HL-X and arisaka offset mount. Ready for all the lumens.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
So do it.

I"m sure there's no way you'd get shot
The way she had her hand on it every time she walked by some "ethnic" people makes me think otherwise. **** is a fitting name.
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Originally Posted By Tormoz⏩
The way she had her hand on it every time she walked by some "ethnic" people makes me think otherwise. **** is a fitting name.
Open carry is the gun douchebag version of extremely loud pipes on motorcycles...only makes you look like an ass hole and is one of the main reasons the general public hates us.
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Originally Posted By DualRectifier⏩
Open carry is the gun douchebag version of extremely loud pipes on motorcycles...only makes you look like an ass hole and is one of the main reasons the general public hates us.
If true, it is the result of the wrong people openly carrying the wrong way. Something something bad apples, bunch, etc seems to apply here
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
If true, it is the result of the wrong people openly carrying the wrong way. Something something bad apples, bunch, etc seems to apply here
I remember one of the first arguments I got into in GD on arfcom was with a guy who bragged about open carrying his AR15 to the grocery store. Literally every time he went grocery shopping. Of course all I got for calling him a bit paranoid and bad for the cause was a bunch of "muh fuking rights!" and "what part of shall not be infringed don't you understand?!"
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Originally Posted By DualRectifier⏩
Open carry is the gun douchebag version of extremely loud pipes on motorcycles...only makes you look like an ass hole and is one of the main reasons the general public hates us.
I think it comes down entirely to how the person o/c'ing carries and presents themselves.
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Oh lordy, I don't know. I paid $950 for it and have shot about 20 rounds through it, but no idea what was shot before that as I bought it used. 6.5 Creedmoor


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Originally Posted By DualRectifier⏩
I remember one of the first arguments I got into in GD on arfcom was with a guy who bragged about open carrying his AR15 to the grocery store. Literally every time he went grocery shopping. Of course all I got for calling him a bit paranoid and bad for the cause was a bunch of "muh fuking rights!" and "what part of shall not be infringed don't you understand?!"
One of the little changes I slipped into this thread's OP was removal of the arfcom link
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Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
I think it comes down entirely to how the person o/c'ing carries and presents themselves.
I have this debate once a week with my co-worker who owns a gun but doesn't carry. He swears if OC was a thing he'd do it 24/7.

I truly think in the world we live in the only people OPEN carrying should be people in easily identifiable uniforms (cops, security, etc). There is just 0 benefit to a person who is carrying for self defense purposes to OC.

Exception to this should be people hunting/shooting ranges/Hiking/etc...
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Originally Posted By SpeedCheeser⏩
This might be a dumb question...how does the light attach to the mount.
Look up Surefire Scout lights. They, uh, borrowed that mount system for the Rail Mounts. There are two threaded holes in the body of the light. The included rail mount, mount that you may see in pics of the basic protac rail mount light are attached by those two screws. Take that mount off and you can attach the light to/using other mounts
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Originally Posted By omnip0tent⏩
I have this debate once a week with my co-worker who owns a gun but doesn't carry. He swears if OC was a thing he'd do it 24/7.

I truly think in the world we live in the only people OPEN carrying should be people in easily identifiable uniforms (cops, security, etc). There is just 0 benefit to a person who is carrying for self defense purposes to OC.

Exception to this should be people hunting/shooting ranges/Hiking/etc...
Deterrence...what is it?

I think any person who wants to should be able to legally open carry, pistol or long gun, no license (for a lot of people, this is true)

I also think open carry should be a pistol in a holster (with active retention devices) or a rifle in a sling. No hands on the guns.
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Originally Posted By HotCheetos⏩
Most places I've seen in IL only allow holster draws in actual classes.

I only have 3 realistic goals (it'd be 4 if IL allowed suppresses)
More shooting
More classes
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I asked the concealed carry instructor that put on my barrel nut for the AR-15 about where I can find a place. He mentioned a place you need to be a member for and it’s an hour away. Then he said or i can come to his private range day/class. I asked where and he said add him on fb. Didn’t follow through with him after but this would be the first time I draw and shoot besides when I first take out my concealed carry gun at the range from holster and shoot the first round.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Look up Surefire Scout lights. They, uh, borrowed that mount system for the Rail Mounts. There are two threaded holes in the body of the light. The rail mount, mount that you may see in pics of the basic protac rail mount light are attached by those two screws. Take that mount off and you can attach the light to/using other mounts
Ok. It looks like they sell a regular version with a pocket clip, and a rail version with the picatinny mount. I assume the pocket clip version also has the holes in the body for the clip to attach to? Or it just worth it to get the rail version anyway to have the tape switch and cap included?
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Originally Posted By SpeedCheeser⏩
Ok. It looks like they sell a regular version with a pocket clip, and a rail version with the picatinny mount. I assume the pocket clip version also has the holes in the body for the clip to attach to? Or it just worth it to get the rail version anyway to have the tape switch and cap included?
IDK. I wouldn't assume that. Probably doesn't. But, I never looked into that.

If you intend to put it on a rifle, get the rail mount version. It won't be a pocket light though, even when you remove the included rail mount attachment you aren't left with the same basic cylindrical body that you would with a pocket light

This is a protac rail mount and an inline arisaka mount, which is just a straight flat piece of aluminum. That cube of material between the arisaka mount and the light is a permanent part of the light

The mount attaches to the light via a pair of screws you cannot see that come up from the bottom

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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Deterrence...what is it?

I think any person who wants to should be able to legally open carry, pistol or long gun, no license (for a lot of people, this is true)

I also think open carry should be a pistol in a holster (with active retention devices) or a rifle in a sling. No hands on the guns.
I really don't think Deterrence is a real thing in todays society. Back in the wild west, sure. But we are FAR off from carrying a firearm being the norm.

Even with someone open carrying, chances are they are the only person carrying a firearm @ that location. Which just makes your a priority target, especially since the person committing said crime will have the advantage of surprise.

I get where your coming from. But I just don't think we are anywhere near the # of people carrying firearms for OC to be a deterrence.
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While I agree open carrying should be allowed, I'd never do it. I think it is almost as big a benefit that nobody knows you have a gun as actually having it.

Sure the average robber is going to not rob a store in front of you, but if it's someone hell bent on getting what they want and they see you have a gun, guess who they're shooting first?

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Originally Posted By omnip0tent⏩
I have this debate once a week with my co-worker who owns a gun but doesn't carry. He swears if OC was a thing he'd do it 24/7.

I truly think in the world we live in the only people OPEN carrying should be people in easily identifiable uniforms (cops, security, etc). There is just 0 benefit to a person who is carrying for self defense purposes to OC.

Exception to this should be people hunting/shooting ranges/Hiking/etc...
I've open carried twice. Both times I was on my way to the shooting range and had several guns with ammo in the car. Had to stop for gas/snacks. Considering there were guns in the car, I kind of wanted anyone who might be scoping the lot for a quick smash and grab or something to see that I had a weapon on me and hopefully cause him to reconsider.
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[QUOTE=Farley1324 post_id=1539420361]IDK. I wouldn't assume that. Probably doesn't. But, I never looked into that.

If you intend to put it on a rifle, get the rail mount version. It won't be a pocket light though, even when you remove the included rail mount attachment you aren't left with the same basic cylindrical body that you would with a pocket light

This is a protac rail mount and an inline arisaka mount, which is just a straight flat piece of aluminum. That cube of material between the arisaka mount and the light is a permanent part of the light

The mount attaches to the light via a pair of screws you cannot see that come up from the bottom

[img]https://i.imgur.com/flQdJo6.jpg[img][/QUOTE]Ok, yeah. Looked at pics again and the center body section is different between the 2. You would need the rail mount version for that to work. I guess you could always do a clamp style offset if you had the pocket light version, but then you'd still need the tail cap and switch anyway. Plus it's not as low pro.
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Originally Posted By omnip0tent⏩
I really don't think Deterrence is a real thing in todays society. Back in the wild west, sure. But we are FAR off from carrying a firearm being the norm.

Even with someone open carrying, chances are they are the only person carrying a firearm @ that location. Which just makes your a priority target, especially since the person committing said crime will have the advantage of surprise.

I get where your coming from. But I just don't think we are anywhere near the # of people carrying firearms for OC to be a deterrence.
Except that isn't how it happens, and concealed carriers are attacked probably tens of thousands of times more often than open carriers. The vast majority of (...but not all) would be attackers would rather choose an unarmed, safer target.

OC is specific deterrence (I can see that that person is armed). Concealed carry being legal is general deterrence (that person might be armed)
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Originally Posted By SpeedCheeser⏩
I've open carried twice. Both times I was on my way to the shooting range and had several guns with ammo in the car. Had to stop for gas/snacks. Considering there were guns in the car, I kind of wanted anyone who might be scoping the lot for a quick smash and grab or something to see that I had a weapon on me and hopefully cause him to reconsider.
Gas station smash and grabber sure. Definitely see how that could deter them.

But what if the smash and grabber ur worried about didn't actually exist, instead it was the 2 white dudes about to Rob the place because they need $1,000 for some more meth. And they're willing to kill the one tough guy with his gun who might stop them. Oh and guess what they were in the store before you, so they've got the jump on you.


There's just too many negatives to OC, to justify the rare times where it would be an advantage.
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Except that isn't how it happens, and concealed carriers are attacked probably tens of thousands of times more often than open carriers. The vast majority of (...but not all) would be attackers would rather choose an unarmed, safer target.

OC is specific deterrence (I can see that that person is armed). Concealed carry being legal is general deterrence (that person might be armed)
Your thinking about it logically like a smart person.

Someone about to commit theft or a violent crime is neither smart nor logical. And if they so happen to have a gun, your definitely going to be target #1.
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As someone who works with probation officers, courts, etc... criminals, even armed ones, tend not to want to shoot someone. They use a weapon as a means of coercion rather than something they are willing to use. Talking to some of them, they don't want to shoot someone or get into a shoot-out, and would rather look for an easier target of opportunity, path of least resistance.

Now, this isn't advice as there are plenty of unpredictable, cold-blooded criminals as well, but they are rather the exception than the norm. We just hear more about them in the local news more often.
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Originally Posted By omnip0tent⏩
Gas station smash and grabber sure. Definitely see how that could deter them.

But what if the smash and grabber ur worried about didn't actually exist, instead it was the 2 white dudes about to Rob the place because they need $1,000 for some more meth. And they're willing to kill the one tough guy with his gun who might stop them. Oh and guess what they were in the store before you, so they've got the jump on you.


There's just too many negatives to OC, to justify the rare times where it would be an advantage.



Your thinking about it logically like a smart person.

Someone about to commit theft or a violent crime is neither smart nor logical. And if they so happen to have a gun, your definitely going to be target #1.
Theoretically possible, but IMO far less likely than someone looking for an easy target.
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Originally Posted By Tuksonrider⏩
As someone who works with probation officers, courts, etc... criminals, even armed ones, tend not to want to shoot someone. They use a weapon as a means of coercion rather than something they are willing to use. Talking to some of them, they don't want to shoot someone or get into a shoot-out, and would rather look for an easier target of opportunity, path of least resistance.

Now, this isn't advice as there are plenty of unpredictable, cold-blooded criminals as well, but they are rather the exception than the norm. We just hear more about them in the local news more often.
Exactly my point.

1) How many crimes have been committed against you that your firearm would have stopped(concealed carrying or not carrying)?

2) Now, of those crimes how many do you think would have been deterred if you we're OC ?

For most people the Answer for #1 is 0, and by proxy #2 is also 0. Now for the sake of argument lets throw from fake crimes in there, and say 2 crimes have been committed against you by an armed perp while you were NOT/CONCEAL carrying. Both of these times he had the jump on you, drew his weapon,and as we know you DO NOT draw on a drawn gun. He gets ur stuff and goes free.

Are you willing to re-do both these scenarios with OC? Maybe he never tries, maybe he shoots first? Maybe he tries and shoots when he gets jumpy because of your gun?

IDK all in all really Risk/Reward just isnt there right now. Element of surprise is a much bigger advantage since your trying to deter something which probably wont happen to you ever anyways.
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Lmao. People who rob banks, convenience stores, etc, aren't looking to fuking murder people. They want a quick grab and to GTFO as fast as possible. You really think they go into it looking for threats they're going to have to take out?

Lmao just lmao. Yes, some people are just fuking cold blooded murderers who just might shoot you for open carrying if you're between them and their goal, but by and far, that's not the type of person who robs an establishment.
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Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
Lmao, people who rob banks, convenience stores, etc, aren't looking to fuking murder people. They want a quick grab and to GTFO as fast as possible. You really think they go into it looking for threats they're going to have to take out?

Lmao just lmao. Yes, some people are just fuking cold blooded murderers who just might shoot you for open carrying if you're between them and their goal, but by and far, that's not the type of person who robs an establishment.
Exactly why u OC'ing throws a wrench into the EASY grab. And im sure most people who die during crimes are shot by some nervous idiot who ****ed up rather than a murderer. You think a small wrinkle like 1 person OC'ing is going to stop some dude who just did a few lines of blow and is hopeing to quickly Rip off a CVS? more than likely hes gonna freak out and do something dumb.


But sure 1 out of 10 times this criminal will make the smart decision and decide to move onto another target/location. I think you give petty criminals too much credit. Im more worried about being shot on accident than killed by a cold blooded murderer as you said.
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Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
Lmao. People who rob banks, convenience stores, etc, aren't looking to fuking murder people. They want a quick grab and to GTFO as fast as possible. You really think they go into it looking for threats they're going to have to take out?

Lmao just lmao. Yes, some people are just fuking cold blooded murderers who just might shoot you for open carrying if you're between them and their goal, but by and far, that's not the type of person who robs an establishment.
Pretty much this. Criminals are pretty dumb, but not so dumb that they'd knowingly commit murder over a couple hundred dollars.
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Originally Posted By omnip0tent⏩
Your thinking about it logically like a smart person.

Someone about to commit theft or a violent crime is neither smart nor logical. And if they so happen to have a gun,your definitely going to be target #1.
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