I was referring to him claiming that miscers could get through it.

Are you just half ass reading my comments? I have said nothing about how they gave up... Just some of the causes.

Of the 100% athletic bad asses that go in only 25% come out. You get the runs during hell week you dehydrate faster and you either collapse or ring the bell. You step on something wrong twist your ankle/pull your groin... Your not going to make it. Doesn't mean you wont try, but if you aren't able to push yourself out of last place you aren't gonna make it.

Every single one of those graduates is tough as nails and most of those failures are also tough as nails.

That being said some of you are putting this chit on some mystical level of hardness that no mere mortal could ever obtain. That is bull chit. If the person trained met the competitive standards, trained, and REALLY want it bad. There is no reason to think that person wouldn't have similar odds as all of the others that had the same qualifications (aka 25%). No one in this thread besides a few obvious trolls have said they would "definitely make it". We have a lot of combat vets on this forum and a lot of people that have been dedicated to fitness for decades. Pretending that any of those people that say "maybe in my prime" are out of their mind is a huge over reach.And we have a linked thread for a miscer that DID make it through (with a few failures)... Weird. I thought that was impossible...

Almost like if you take an athletic freak... that trains... and wants it bad... They have a chance to make it through.

US Special Operations Forces ALSO train the SAS.
There are numerous levels and variations of Elite forces in the USSOF community.
There are still units and specialties the public has no clue about above and beyond the published SOF missions.
I wouldn't compare them fully on an open forum, but SAS/SBS are by no means "the best."
Identifying a grading criteria alone would be highly subjective.

Most people are far more capable than they think they are. You just have to break through their limitations... which is really hard because there is a mental & physiological wall that develops at whatever their self perceived finish line is. Goggins talks about it in his Rogan podcast. Itzler (Living with a Seal) talks about it in his as well. He mentions doing a 100 mile ultra at like 40 something years old, makes it through 99 miles, and then his whole body starts shutting down the last mile. It's chit like that which i find really interesting because it has happened to me numerous times.

I remember on the Appalachian Trail i challenged myself to do 100 miles in four days over a very up/down part of Virginia. I had a specific target town in mind. It rained constantly all four days. The last day i was lagging and pushed myself to do about 35 miles. I was out of food, could see the town from the top of the valley, and was only about 7 miles away. But hole-lee-fuk... my body and mind started to shut down hard. I was having to stop every hundred yards and breath heavily because i just couldn't get any energy. The last few miles my arms and legs started shaking. I seriously was almost crawling the last half mile. I was a lot like the guy in this vid:



But something definitely happened in my brain and physiology after that incident. I started crushing other things during the hike that i would of thought impossible before. My whole perception of 'possible' radically shifted. Later on, I ended up buying a chitty Walmart mountain bike in Bennington Vermont and riding 125 miles to Lebanon New Hampshire (returned it lol) in less than 24 hours with my rucksack on my back. At the time it didn't even occur to me how ridiculous that was... and i didn't even question whether it was possible.

So ya... i think there are a lot of people ITT underestimating themselves and with the right leverage can do things they think are absolutely impossible. Because you believe you can't... is all the reason you need for why you should... that is... if you wan't to unlock your true self.

i mean my buddy is in 5 group and my other is in teams and we exchange email on the regs and these dudes i used to pt with every day leading up to their schools (ranger for 5 group fellow). so i have SOME bearing on reality. i know what they both done the months leading up, and they were both successful. i just cant imagine being fit and looking like dogshiit because i've never seen that, but if you say it exists thats great. im at n=2.

also it's weird, my brother is in 82nd, so he should be an expert like you say. yet he's askin me what they do for training. as if him being in 82nd would somehow make him an expert. dont really track. but he REALLY serves so he MUST know everything.

That is false, just look at how many times the US special forces were able to complete their missions due to the fact that the SAS helped them and intervene. Their selection is much more brutal to the point more people have actually died there than at any war since ww2. Just ask any active or retired SF guy from the US and they will tell you how the SAS/SBS are on another level.

US special forces don't train the SAS, that is a lie, they do cross-train with them but just like any other special units in the world, they are based off the SAS.
The green beret selection course used to be only 2 weeks and they bumped it up to 3 weeks just to compete and have the same intensity with the Australian SASR selection let alone the full on selection of the british SAS.
The whole SFOD(delta) structure was even modified to be similar to the SAS

Would quit the second I got in that freezing water.


That’s just the wrong kind of suffering for me.

i probably wouldnt make it past the first 8 hours lol.

How much do you know about special forces missions?

Let's say you have no idea and leave it at that, okay? No idea. Zip. None. If you had an idea of what they do, they would not be good at what they do, now would they? They would be ****s. Are you calling them ****s?