It’s all cope! A mans prine is from around 21-35, so a lot of time, but most women will prefer a young vigorous dude then some old slag mate

What do you mean? Right now we're all just toxic breeders who are a nuisance on women, LGBT, and minorities.

That is exactly what I argue. Time and experience alone dont change anything.

I'm 27 and I'm easily worse off than I was at 17 because there's less opportunity and I'm not any more attractive, for example. If I was rich and successful and famous it would help, but thats not time or experience.....thats making money and being successful.

I mean nowadays the average guy is going to be way worse off as he gets older. the pool of women gets uglier and older the older you get, unless you're one of the guys attractive enough to nab younger women which most guys are not

The outrage is strong with this one.

I'm 29 and my experience is exactly the opposite of yours. "The average guy" is a complete loser who is working some chit job while not taking care of himself, so I don't see how that applies.

And how is there less opportunity now that you're older? You can still go out and meet girls, it's not like there's a wall between you and the girls now.

Yeah I only addressed it because people outside medicine think doctor = godly status.

I've literally gone out with at least 150 girls if not more and I honestly don't think a single one gave the slightest poop about my education etc. The fact that I wasn't a bum was sufficient, even for high IQ grad school girls.

I've definitely noticed residents have 0 change after beginning residency. Attendings I've seen do better but only within their own league, never above. And rich people in general, even younger rich guys... still are stuck in their own league.


inb4 you get flakedpay..pay..pay.. you missed your own keyword
Old man has spoken.

"the average guy" is not a loser, he's average. Average will always look not great, because its by definition most people.

There's less opportunity because, in my experience, women are only available online which I do not do well in. It's not like in school where I was constantly surrounded by young horny chicks.

Even when I go out, or in my groups, the women are not looking to talk to random men or even men they know in the same social circle. They almost always get annoyed and they're just trying to keep to themselves without being hit on.

Thats probably just because I'm ugly, but its my experience and for most men I know that arent particularly attractive same thing.

Also I see you live in Norway. My experience is in the USA which is particularly fuked up, keep that in mind. I have no idea what its like in Norway

Even in school, it wasn't ever "easy." In high school you had a couple guys every girl liked. In college it was more dispersed but you had the frat boys etc. And in med school it's a very similar story to high school. It's literally the top 2-5% that are eyed down constantly, and the guys close up can pull it off with work.

it was still relatively easier than it is now

Just had a date with an 18 yr old an am currently dating a 19 and 21 year old. You mad?

Ultimately men are a utility to women.when you are established, have a career, make more money, have your own "nice" place to live, and a decent car, you have more value. This projects the image that the women you are with have more value. It's all about the image for a lot of them. That's a hard game to play for a younger guy starting out.

Lmao sure chap

You and every other guy on the misc

The number of < 25 year olds who go for 30-35 year old men is actually pretty high. Especially if those guys take care of themselves. Most of the additional responsibility you get with age comes from having a family otherwise you just end up with more hobbies and more money

Sperm has no inherent value, try again

You still need a fertile woman to want you and she’s passing on grandpa unless she’s Anna Nicole Smith

I've literally lived among wealthy people. They pay, literally directly (not even indirect). I've also been friends with and/or known super rich kids (think Instagram rich kids). They still got rejected a ton left and right.
Money and hobbies as a 35 year old isn't making you more appealing than the college guy. Most girls call guys in their 30s who approach them creepy behind their back.

you were probably doing fine with women when you were younger too

this

all i'm going to say is that since about 27 it's gotten easier and easier (i'm 33 now) and i'm not a guy who is "obviously' balling by any stretch.

I went to my alma mater for a friends bachelor party (he wanted to party at hte old stomping grounds and catch a game) and i got approached more by the 19-23 yr olds that one night than i did the average semeseter in college. SRS.

all of my single friends who are put together and in their 30s get with good looking girls in their 20s with ease and dont have to try hard to do it.

But i'll let you cook. You're 25 and know everything LOL

This is so wrong. Do you not live in a city or something?

They’re probably at least 7/10s facially with full heads of hair if this is true. And they probably got with women before and just haven’t slowed down yet.

Looks matter A LOT to young women so the idea that when Timothy gets a little more money, the 20 year old HBBs are gonna come running is just angry virgin fantasy.

Chad can still be Chad in his 30’s under certain circumstances.

But lol at all the Timmy’s waiting for their turn to get back at Stacy. Just lol.

Men value as they age was the misc mantra for years.

Now that miscers are old and slaying less they tbink it was a lie

Reality is most miscers are autistic losers which is why they are saying this now as cope and /end thread

Maybe you shold man up and tske tren/clen. Probkem solved you whinging pus.sies

What about LeoSlayer? He gets all of these hot women and slays nonstop at age 49 because he has hair and looks good for his age.

Getting with women before is the key as you said. Hard to find confidence without success. at least that’s how I see it. I feel like I have most of those attributes just not the confidence- vicious cycle success and confidence

I think OP is on to something. This is why you see all these leaders of state, CEOs, coaches, etc all under 25. Amirite?

All depends on how he looks lol. Chris Hemsworth is 35. Think any 22 year old chick is turning him down or calling him "creepy"?

Yes, that's an extreme example but the idea holds weight... in N. America if you're 35+ and you look good (in shape, well-dressed) and have a decent personality you'll still have a shot with women in their early 20s.

Outside of N. America big(ger) age gaps are even more normal.

Heres the truth. You need to beat the bottom 70-80% of males to be noticed. As you get older the effort required is less, but the willpower required is more if that makes any sense. Many people check out of life in their late 20s and early 30s on. As a 37 year old male that works out I stand apart considerably. I am not particularly gifted in genetics or looks but again there are so many truck driver looking dudes at my age that dating is pretty easy.

“Men gain value with age” is a mostly true statement. What they dont tell you is the people like myself that couldnt make a friend or get laid to save their life in hs and now are doing well are an anomaly. Most people will peak at 18-21, drop off and never come back. This is the best time to be alive in terms of return on effort invested. In 100 years medical advancements will make certain things a requirement to be in the top 1/4. It will much more strongly tie to if you were able to spend money on plastic surgery.

Pics?

It's pretty simple actually. A man's value in the market is based on his: looks, money and status.

A womans value in the market is based on her looks alone. (Which is tied to fertility)

As a man ages he acquires more money and status thus increases his overall market value.
As a woman ages she loses her glow (and fertility), thus her value in the market decreases.

Therefore...if a man keeps himself in shape, and progresses in life by acquiring more money and status as he gets older, than he will be in higher market demand in his 30's than in his 20's, for the women in greatest demand (women in their 20's)...

Now, this is obviously a broad generalization. Some women simply only want to date guys no more than 5 years older then them...however it's extremely unlikely that if a well groomed, well dressed, good looking, charismatic guy with his sh!t together in his 30's approaches an available college girl, she's going to reject him because she prefers immature guys her age that dont have enough money to buy her a slice of pizza.

This is also why you see it alot on here, where guys that were successfull with women in high school or college, suddenly become FA as soon as they graduate.

They look the same pretty much, so what happened? Well, they lost their social status. The high school kid built his network and reputation over the course of 12 years. So in his senior year in high school he had girls in every clique riding his jock.

Then he graduates, moves off to college and is a nobody.

The reverse is also true. The high school kid that didn't have that many friends, was kind of a loser...graduates, goes off to college, breaks out of his shell, finds a group of guys to chill with...the guys give him respect. Then suddenly... BAMMM!!! He's droppin sorority girls panties every weekend.

I also see this on ig all the time. You see some hbb with pics of her at senior prom, with her high school sweetheart, then next year she's posting pics slootin it up at frat parties with football players, while her senior year prom date is posting #tbt pics of his gf from high school.

Tl;dr if you understand the most fundamental law of attracting women is based on how much LM+S you have and how well you leverage/market them...and you don't want to be a FA in your 30's...then you should organise your life in a way that you are constantly working to increase all 3. (Plus the benefits aren't just getting women)...

My credentials
"Who are you and how the phuck do you know this to be true?" ...some of you might be asking.

I was the kid in high school that had girls riding his jock who went off to college to became a FA. I busted my arse off in my 20's/30's and built a solid career (got married/had three kids/got divorced along the way...) and now I am dating more, and prettier college girls in my late 30's early 40's, then I did between the ages of 18-24.

Last two girls I saw regularly: 20yo over the summer (ended labor day) 21yo saw during fall/winter (ended before x mas). Both 7+/10's. And b4 the hater crew jumps all over me. Both I met on tinder. They both knew I was 40 years old. I didn't buy them any gifts, or pay them one red cent.

Final words of advice before I get back to my stuff
So if you arent a hater. And you are spending hours of your day on the misc zoning out of your reality, only to wake up and realize you are FA. Rewire your entire brain to evaluate every thought and every action into two categories: 1) thoughts/actions to improve yourself (aquire more lms) 2) thoughts actions to keep you exactly where you are today. Flush the second category out of your life because if you aren't moving forward you are moving backwards. Or ldar.

Those are your only options. Good luck bros.

It's a reflection of the fact that men are worth what they can provide and hold little inherent value as an individual unless they're powerful/popular.