Forum
»
why isnt everyone doing intermittent fasting?
02-05-2019, 12:21 PM
-
#151
- RonaldMcflurry
- I woke up like dis
-
- RonaldMcflurry
- I woke up like dis
- Join Date: Jun 2016
- Posts: 14,495
- Rep Power: 80496
-
-
Cals and Macros are all that matters. Intermittent Fasting is cool if you prefer to workout fasted, or have time constraints, like larger meals or just don't like eating breakfast. Let's not pretend that it is magic though.
Nuggets of Wisdom
02-05-2019, 12:22 PM
-
#152
- sandaltan
- Registered User
-
- sandaltan
- Registered User
- Join Date: Sep 2009
- Posts: 15,265
- Rep Power: 12438
-
-
Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
did you know that people who didnt lift and took steroids gained twice as much muscle as those who did lift and didnt take steroids?Here’s the real talk hard truth about to hit you
Impressive physiques were being built long before IF became a thing. Long before keto/low carb. Long before eat every 2-3 hours. Long before paleo.
The reason you don’t have the physique you want yet has nothing to do with needing to switch over to IF or the next “scientifically proven” fad (an anomaly since in the world of theory it is only possible to disprove.
The reason you don’t have the physique you want is actually because you simply are too lazy to go out and earn it. To put in the time and consistency and effort, day after day, week after week, year after year.
Most of you would rather spend your time scouting science articles to cut the corners as easily as possible than push out that extra rep. Or get an extra cardio session.
“I can’t seem to get abs”.... you’re right! You spend your time worrying about minor details of when you eat instead of how much you eat.
“My strength never seems to go up”... because you’re too busy reading your latest lifting fad advice than challenging yourself in the gym.
My hand position needs to be a cm over on the bar. My elbow needs to be there a mm more tucked
No you just need to go in and ****ing lift and shut the f*ck up day after day, week after week, year after year.
Then when you truly have approached your generic limitations, and only then, will those minute advantages from IF you’re reading about even be worth your time pursuing.
Right now you’re wasting your time pursuing behaviors that have a significantly lower impact than others you choose to ignore because they’re hard.
This is like a car manufacturer worrying about and spending all of his time on a scratch in the paint job before optimizing the performance of a faulty engine.
You are not where you want to be because you choose to avoid doing what is hard, every single day without fail.
But keep posting how everyone needs to be on IF
Impressive physiques were being built long before IF became a thing. Long before keto/low carb. Long before eat every 2-3 hours. Long before paleo.
The reason you don’t have the physique you want yet has nothing to do with needing to switch over to IF or the next “scientifically proven” fad (an anomaly since in the world of theory it is only possible to disprove.
The reason you don’t have the physique you want is actually because you simply are too lazy to go out and earn it. To put in the time and consistency and effort, day after day, week after week, year after year.
Most of you would rather spend your time scouting science articles to cut the corners as easily as possible than push out that extra rep. Or get an extra cardio session.
“I can’t seem to get abs”.... you’re right! You spend your time worrying about minor details of when you eat instead of how much you eat.
“My strength never seems to go up”... because you’re too busy reading your latest lifting fad advice than challenging yourself in the gym.
My hand position needs to be a cm over on the bar. My elbow needs to be there a mm more tucked
No you just need to go in and ****ing lift and shut the f*ck up day after day, week after week, year after year.
Then when you truly have approached your generic limitations, and only then, will those minute advantages from IF you’re reading about even be worth your time pursuing.
Right now you’re wasting your time pursuing behaviors that have a significantly lower impact than others you choose to ignore because they’re hard.
This is like a car manufacturer worrying about and spending all of his time on a scratch in the paint job before optimizing the performance of a faulty engine.
You are not where you want to be because you choose to avoid doing what is hard, every single day without fail.
But keep posting how everyone needs to be on IF
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...99607043350101
so yeah, you can literally sit around and eat cheetos and you'll gain twice as much muscle as those who lift and dont take roids
02-05-2019, 12:23 PM
-
#153
- RonaldMcflurry
- I woke up like dis
-
- RonaldMcflurry
- I woke up like dis
- Join Date: Jun 2016
- Posts: 14,495
- Rep Power: 80496
-
-
Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
Lol, facts.did you know that people who didnt lift and took celltech gained twice as much muscle as those who did lift and didnt take celltech?
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...99607043350101
so yeah, you can literally sit around and eat cheetos and you'll gain twice as much muscle as those who lift and dont take roids
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...99607043350101
so yeah, you can literally sit around and eat cheetos and you'll gain twice as much muscle as those who lift and dont take roids
Nuggets of Wisdom
02-05-2019, 12:30 PM
-
#154
- SoutheastBeast1
- Join Date: Mar 2013
- Age: 39
- Posts: 63,763
- Subscribers: 6
- Rep Power: 258895
-
-
Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
Did you know: you’re 6’2” 172 lbs?did you know that people who didnt lift and took steroids gained twice as much muscle as those who did lift and didnt take steroids?
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...99607043350101
so yeah, you can literally sit around and eat cheetos and you'll gain twice as much muscle as those who lift and dont take roids
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...99607043350101
so yeah, you can literally sit around and eat cheetos and you'll gain twice as much muscle as those who lift and dont take roids
Might want to do something with this newly discovered information
"One day I won't be able to lift any more. Not I won't want to lift. I mean physically unable. That day could be decades from now or it could be tomorrow. All I know is that's the day I'll wish I could lift more than ever. The day I'd give anything for one more workout, one more set, or one more cardio session. So go hard and enjoy every workout, every set, every rep. Because one day you will wake up and you will never get it back."
-SoutheastBeast1
02-05-2019, 12:45 PM
-
#155
- sooby
- WOATbrah of peace :)
-
- sooby
- WOATbrah of peace :)
- Join Date: Feb 2015
- Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
- Posts: 43,319
- Rep Power: 219409
-
-
honestly this guy raises all sorts of red flags
- He's an MD and specifically a kidney specialist, not some sort of dietician
- Where is his background in research and any sort of nutritional based sciences/dieting, medical school doesn't count because they don't really learn about these things
- Misleading with his words, will say truths but not in an objective manner and will often stretch it to the point where it really just isn't outright true, this is how con-artists work
- Makes erroneous/baseless assumptions "people gained weight after Biggest Loser b/c metabolic rate, OR maybe b/c they stopped adhering to their diet, that could be a thought"
- Cherry picks data to suit his agenda in light of plenty of other evidence that runs contrary to what he says.
- Doesn't present himself or what he is talking about in an objective and balanced manner
- Be careful of people who like to push certain "truths" as if it is "my way or the highway" prob the biggest red-flag of them all, there is usually more than 1 side to it and caveats
- Has plenty of books to sell, promotion of his clinic, etc words things in a way to make it sound controversial in order to garner more attention
- He seems to be extrapolating his evidence of his methods working on diabetic patients to the general population
- Just because somebody got certain results doing something, doesn't mean they know what the fuk they are talking about, i.e: a muscular guy says you need to hit your anabolic window or you lose your gains
would rather listen to people who have actually extensively studied the science behind nutrition/dieting than some MD turned dietitian heavily promoting one way of thinking. just lol if you think he doesn't have a bridge to nowhere to sell you.
- He's an MD and specifically a kidney specialist, not some sort of dietician
- Where is his background in research and any sort of nutritional based sciences/dieting, medical school doesn't count because they don't really learn about these things
- Misleading with his words, will say truths but not in an objective manner and will often stretch it to the point where it really just isn't outright true, this is how con-artists work
- Makes erroneous/baseless assumptions "people gained weight after Biggest Loser b/c metabolic rate, OR maybe b/c they stopped adhering to their diet, that could be a thought"
- Cherry picks data to suit his agenda in light of plenty of other evidence that runs contrary to what he says.
- Doesn't present himself or what he is talking about in an objective and balanced manner
- Be careful of people who like to push certain "truths" as if it is "my way or the highway" prob the biggest red-flag of them all, there is usually more than 1 side to it and caveats
- Has plenty of books to sell, promotion of his clinic, etc words things in a way to make it sound controversial in order to garner more attention
- He seems to be extrapolating his evidence of his methods working on diabetic patients to the general population
- Just because somebody got certain results doing something, doesn't mean they know what the fuk they are talking about, i.e: a muscular guy says you need to hit your anabolic window or you lose your gains
would rather listen to people who have actually extensively studied the science behind nutrition/dieting than some MD turned dietitian heavily promoting one way of thinking. just lol if you think he doesn't have a bridge to nowhere to sell you.
positivity brah crew
dont take my posts too srs crew srs
JFL @ everything crew
lol @ tradies srs crew
BIG LOL @ sky tradies srs crew (RealAesthetic)
indian crew
living in clown world crew so screw it crew
anti-degen crew
02-05-2019, 12:57 PM
-
#156
- hotsaucebrah
- Registered User
-
- hotsaucebrah
- Registered User
- Join Date: Jan 2014
- Age: 39
- Posts: 14,666
- Rep Power: 12336
-
-
It's just a meal timing protocol. Same benefits were touted when I was in high school if you ate small meals every 2-3 hours. Someone joked that IF isn't a fad diet and there isn't any money to be made off of it. Of course if you check Amazon there are tons of Dr.Ozesque books with hundreds of reviews on how to fast lmao. Gold mine.
No Glow, No Go Crew
*Cries about negs* Crew
02-05-2019, 01:00 PM
-
#157
- sandaltan
- Registered User
-
- sandaltan
- Registered User
- Join Date: Sep 2009
- Posts: 15,265
- Rep Power: 12438
-
-
Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
i think im more like 6'1" 185lbs boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiDid you know: you’re 6’2” 172 lbs?
Might want to do something with this newly discovered information
Might want to do something with this newly discovered information
im a twink!
02-05-2019, 01:02 PM
-
#158
- JoshSP1985
- Anti-Circumcision
-
- JoshSP1985
- Anti-Circumcision
- Join Date: Aug 2009
- Location: Franklin, Indiana, United States
- Posts: 66,936
- Rep Power: 214514
-
-
Originally Posted By awwchit2⏩
Hell just skipping breakfast generally 6PM dinner to 12PM Lunch is 18 hours.ive started doing this. ill skip breakfast and not eat until like ~3-4pm and that'll be it.
hoping to go Ethiopian mode soon
hoping to go Ethiopian mode soon
*PUREBLOOD CREW*
*DAD CREW*
*SUPER STRAIGHT*
*NATURAL DICK CREW*
*CCW*
02-05-2019, 01:07 PM
-
#159
- theyplayer
- Banned
-
- theyplayer
- Banned
- Join Date: Feb 2019
- Age: 56
- Posts: 81
- Rep Power: 0
-
-
cos its stupid and hard and painful and unhealthy
to eat once daily
its too much food for the stomach
to eat once daily
its too much food for the stomach
02-05-2019, 01:22 PM
-
#160
- Chezdon
- Vagabond
-
- Chezdon
- Vagabond
- Join Date: Feb 2010
- Location: London, United Kingdom (Great Britain)
- Age: 40
- Posts: 13,184
- Rep Power: 13479
-
-
Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
I feel sick if I drink green tea on an empty stomach. And if you're going down the healthy route then you probably wanna kick caffeine too.hmmmm have you ever tried to stick with it for a week or so, and also incorporate black coffee or plain green tea?
i found that the first few days i got a headache, but i started having black coffee or green tea in the morning and after a few days the headaches went away and i felt great
i found that the first few days i got a headache, but i started having black coffee or green tea in the morning and after a few days the headaches went away and i felt great
I'd like to try IF but I just enjoy eating, and I cba to fit all my calories into a smaller window. I like to spread it out. I might try it this year though.
02-05-2019, 01:25 PM
-
#161
I do 16/8 (roughly) while cutting. Helps make it easier for me to hit my macros.
I don't think its particularly special, but I've thought about trying some extended water fasts like maybe 36 hrs. I like food too much though
I don't think its particularly special, but I've thought about trying some extended water fasts like maybe 36 hrs. I like food too much though
02-05-2019, 01:36 PM
-
#162
- OffwhiteBrah
- Join Date: Apr 2015
- Location: Florida, United States
- Posts: 50,218
- Rep Power: 545472
-
-
I would if it didn't make my breath smell like horse shiit by noon
02-05-2019, 01:41 PM
-
#163
02-05-2019, 01:53 PM
-
#164
- Evolutionary1
- Registered User
-
- Evolutionary1
- Registered User
- Join Date: Jul 2006
- Location: United States
- Posts: 36,489
- Rep Power: 115290
-
-
Originally Posted By gibbypoo⏩
brb photosynthesizing macros from sunlightIf you're not doing NoFood, are you even trying?
02-05-2019, 01:55 PM
-
#165
- Evolutionary1
- Registered User
-
- Evolutionary1
- Registered User
- Join Date: Jul 2006
- Location: United States
- Posts: 36,489
- Rep Power: 115290
-
-
Originally Posted By sooby⏩
what are your qualifications?honestly this guy raises all sorts of red flags
- He's an MD and specifically a kidney specialist, not some sort of dietician
- Where is his background in research and any sort of nutritional based sciences/dieting, medical school doesn't count because they don't really learn about these things
- Misleading with his words, will say truths but not in an objective manner and will often stretch it to the point where it really just isn't outright true, this is how con-artists work
- Makes erroneous/baseless assumptions "people gained weight after Biggest Loser b/c metabolic rate, OR maybe b/c they stopped adhering to their diet, that could be a thought"
- Cherry picks data to suit his agenda in light of plenty of other evidence that runs contrary to what he says.
- Doesn't present himself or what he is talking about in an objective and balanced manner
- Be careful of people who like to push certain "truths" as if it is "my way or the highway" prob the biggest red-flag of them all, there is usually more than 1 side to it and caveats
- Has plenty of books to sell, promotion of his clinic, etc words things in a way to make it sound controversial in order to garner more attention
- He seems to be extrapolating his evidence of his methods working on diabetic patients to the general population
- Just because somebody got certain results doing something, doesn't mean they know what the fuk they are talking about, i.e: a muscular guy says you need to hit your anabolic window or you lose your gains
would rather listen to people who have actually extensively studied the science behind nutrition/dieting than some MD turned dietitian heavily promoting one way of thinking. just lol if you think he doesn't have a bridge to nowhere to sell you.
- He's an MD and specifically a kidney specialist, not some sort of dietician
- Where is his background in research and any sort of nutritional based sciences/dieting, medical school doesn't count because they don't really learn about these things
- Misleading with his words, will say truths but not in an objective manner and will often stretch it to the point where it really just isn't outright true, this is how con-artists work
- Makes erroneous/baseless assumptions "people gained weight after Biggest Loser b/c metabolic rate, OR maybe b/c they stopped adhering to their diet, that could be a thought"
- Cherry picks data to suit his agenda in light of plenty of other evidence that runs contrary to what he says.
- Doesn't present himself or what he is talking about in an objective and balanced manner
- Be careful of people who like to push certain "truths" as if it is "my way or the highway" prob the biggest red-flag of them all, there is usually more than 1 side to it and caveats
- Has plenty of books to sell, promotion of his clinic, etc words things in a way to make it sound controversial in order to garner more attention
- He seems to be extrapolating his evidence of his methods working on diabetic patients to the general population
- Just because somebody got certain results doing something, doesn't mean they know what the fuk they are talking about, i.e: a muscular guy says you need to hit your anabolic window or you lose your gains
would rather listen to people who have actually extensively studied the science behind nutrition/dieting than some MD turned dietitian heavily promoting one way of thinking. just lol if you think he doesn't have a bridge to nowhere to sell you.
02-05-2019, 01:59 PM
-
#166
- GM54
- Registered User
-
- GM54
- Registered User
- Join Date: Mar 2004
- Location: United States
- Posts: 6,392
- Rep Power: 34945
-
-
Actual study just done where there was absolute proof IF has none of the health benefits it claims (reduced inflammation, body repair, etc). Alan Aragorn posted the link on his instagram.
The only benefit was it prevented over-eating in some individuals
The only benefit was it prevented over-eating in some individuals
<HTC>
02-05-2019, 02:13 PM
-
#167
Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
ah the old "your opinion on diet and lifting is immediately invalidated" study. a classicdid you know that people who didnt lift and took gained twice as much muscle as those who did lift and didnt take steroids?
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...99607043350101
so yeah, you can literally sit around and eat cheetos and you'll gain twice as much muscle as those who lift and dont take roids
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...99607043350101
so yeah, you can literally sit around and eat cheetos and you'll gain twice as much muscle as those who lift and dont take roids
Official LTC representative
02-05-2019, 02:13 PM
-
#168
- FFailed
- Registered User
-
- FFailed
- Registered User
- Join Date: May 2012
- Location: Illinois, United States
- Age: 36
- Posts: 5,420
- Rep Power: 30604
-
-
Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
So some people who barely lift got a pump, some water weight and a minor strength gain from not exercising on those doses in a short period of time.did you know that people who didnt lift and took steroids gained twice as much muscle as those who did lift and didnt take steroids?
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...99607043350101
so yeah, you can literally sit around and eat cheetos and you'll gain twice as much muscle as those who lift and dont take roids
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...99607043350101
so yeah, you can literally sit around and eat cheetos and you'll gain twice as much muscle as those who lift and dont take roids
Neat
Surely this means in the long run we will see similar results.
Also reading through the study did I just see the workout consisted of doing 4 sets of 6 3x a week with no other lifting? lol
02-05-2019, 02:19 PM
-
#169
02-05-2019, 02:32 PM
-
#170
- Silencespeaks
- Banned
-
- Silencespeaks
- Banned
- Join Date: Aug 2015
- Posts: 114,138
- Rep Power: 0
-
-
Post deleted by user
02-05-2019, 02:44 PM
-
#171
- Wh1teDyn0mite
- Registered User
-
- Wh1teDyn0mite
- Registered User
- Join Date: Dec 2012
- Location: Croydon, United Kingdom (Great Britain)
- Age: 34
- Posts: 18,736
- Rep Power: 62758
-
-
Tried it, lost weight but had brain fog.
1/4 Jamaican
1/4 Polish
1/4 Irish
1/4 Welsh
02-05-2019, 02:45 PM
-
#172
- theyplayer
- Banned
-
- theyplayer
- Banned
- Join Date: Feb 2019
- Age: 56
- Posts: 81
- Rep Power: 0
-
-
Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
if is about NOT counting calsDepends on your cals. I cut on 1500 and that is doable in one big meal.
02-05-2019, 02:47 PM
-
#173
- Silencespeaks
- Banned
-
- Silencespeaks
- Banned
- Join Date: Aug 2015
- Posts: 114,138
- Rep Power: 0
-
-
Post deleted by user
02-05-2019, 02:49 PM
-
#174
- theyplayer
- Banned
-
- theyplayer
- Banned
- Join Date: Feb 2019
- Age: 56
- Posts: 81
- Rep Power: 0
-
-
Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
that what the dude on the video said anywayI don’t think so player.
02-05-2019, 02:58 PM
-
#175
- sooby
- WOATbrah of peace :)
-
- sooby
- WOATbrah of peace :)
- Join Date: Feb 2015
- Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
- Posts: 43,319
- Rep Power: 219409
-
-
Originally Posted By Evolutionary1⏩
I wasn't aware I needed qualifications to point out someone's biases and certain factors indicative of a fraudwhat are your qualifications?
but by all means continue to follow an MD turned pseudo-dietician over the general research consensus and actual researchers/scientists who have undergone extensive study in the field of nutrition
positivity brah crew
dont take my posts too srs crew srs
JFL @ everything crew
lol @ tradies srs crew
BIG LOL @ sky tradies srs crew (RealAesthetic)
indian crew
living in clown world crew so screw it crew
anti-degen crew
02-05-2019, 03:01 PM
-
#176
- Evolutionary1
- Registered User
-
- Evolutionary1
- Registered User
- Join Date: Jul 2006
- Location: United States
- Posts: 36,489
- Rep Power: 115290
-
-
Originally Posted By sooby⏩
None of those people happen to have an agenda do they?I wasn't aware I needed qualifications to point out someone's biases and certain factors indicative of a fraud
but by all means continue to follow an MD turned pseudo-dietician over the general research consensus and actual researchers/scientists who have undergone extensive study in the field of nutrition
but by all means continue to follow an MD turned pseudo-dietician over the general research consensus and actual researchers/scientists who have undergone extensive study in the field of nutrition
02-05-2019, 03:03 PM
-
#177
- sandaltan
- Registered User
-
- sandaltan
- Registered User
- Join Date: Sep 2009
- Posts: 15,265
- Rep Power: 12438
-
-
Originally Posted By GM54⏩
correct me if im wrong but werent those studies performed on like ultra lean individuals who had virtually no body fat?Actual study just done where there was absolute proof IF has none of the health benefits it claims (reduced inflammation, body repair, etc). Alan Aragorn posted the link on his instagram.
The only benefit was it prevented over-eating in some individuals
The only benefit was it prevented over-eating in some individuals
02-05-2019, 03:05 PM
-
#178
- sandaltan
- Registered User
-
- sandaltan
- Registered User
- Join Date: Sep 2009
- Posts: 15,265
- Rep Power: 12438
-
-
Originally Posted By FFailed⏩
the measurements were in LBM you neanderthalSo some people who barely lift got a pump, some water weight and a minor strength gain from not exercising on those doses in a short period of time.
Neat
Surely this means in the long run we will see similar results.
Also reading through the study did I just see the workout consisted of doing 4 sets of 6 3x a week with no other lifting? lol
Neat
Surely this means in the long run we will see similar results.
Also reading through the study did I just see the workout consisted of doing 4 sets of 6 3x a week with no other lifting? lol
what i said is accurate. what you typed is made up bullsh*t
dat der roid ego trying to refute the results of a published study
02-05-2019, 04:09 PM
-
#179
- kingofturtles
- Registered User
-
- kingofturtles
- Registered User
- Join Date: Jul 2012
- Posts: 8,206
- Rep Power: 56520
-
-
Originally Posted By theyplayer⏩
Lol. Don’t think so playa.if is about NOT counting cals
www.miscers.com
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=177185321 ~ WoW Classic <MISCERS> guild horde thread GTFIH
320 bench press
1000lbs club at 190ish lbs
Chargers, Angels, Lakers, Canucks.
02-05-2019, 04:23 PM
-
#180
- sooby
- WOATbrah of peace :)
-
- sooby
- WOATbrah of peace :)
- Join Date: Feb 2015
- Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
- Posts: 43,319
- Rep Power: 219409
-
-
Originally Posted By Evolutionary1⏩
maybe they do, maybe they dont, but its important to consider context and various factors instead of one in isolationNone of those people happen to have an agenda do they?
positivity brah crew
dont take my posts too srs crew srs
JFL @ everything crew
lol @ tradies srs crew
BIG LOL @ sky tradies srs crew (RealAesthetic)
indian crew
living in clown world crew so screw it crew
anti-degen crew
Bookmarks
-
- Digg
-
- del.icio.us
-
- StumbleUpon
-
-
Posting Permissions
- You may not post new threads
- You may not post replies
- You may not post attachments
- You may not edit your posts