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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
If anything that helps the cop. Floyd doesn't die imo if he doesn't have those things happening at once. In order to convict the cop for murder, the cop would have had to know he had a bad heart, was on drugs, that those 2 things could contribute to his death, and that he went ahead and put the knee on him anyway.2 of which could not be determined unless told so and added to the autopsy report.
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The knee on the neck was a legal practice in MN and had caused no deaths before that.
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Originally Posted By MiscMathematician⏩
I already knew the answer but I seem to be carrying the thread.I don't know.
Yes. There definitely is, there was none which is why Baker concluded against asphyxiation.
Baudin had the luxury of making a ruling while the heart was out and used minimal facts to draw "mechanical asphyxiation" as a cause. Hes pretty slick and even in his own words said he excluded it and disregarded Bakers preliminary findings while it was out for examination at the lab.
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
Nah man. This was dropped in classic slow leak fashion.If anything that helps the cop. Floyd doesn't die imo if he doesn't have those things happening at once. In order to convict the cop for murder, the cop would have had to know he had a bad heart, was on drugs, that those 2 things could contribute to his death, and that he went ahead and put the knee on him anyway.
The knee on the neck was a legal practice in MN and had caused no deaths before that.
The knee on the neck was a legal practice in MN and had caused no deaths before that.
We'll see (as in the transcript) Floyd go into delirium. The rookie who was just trained on the subject mentioned it a couple of times.
Although the public at large largely has no idea what or why it's being leaked, legal observers are watching the case fall apart.
Today...Chauvin was eliminated as a racist motivated to murder. Floyd resisted and put himself to the exact place where he died on his own volition.
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I agree with the sentiment that it sets up having to know his medical condition
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Originally Posted By LordBroly⏩
That’s what the trial is for. To find out if he did murder him or not.Damn, man for real? You don't think that a cop who abuses his authority and straight up kills a dude in broad daylight should have to serve time? Not attacking you but how do you not want to see justice carried out against a murderer? Do you not consider it murder? I am very curious. And before I get attacked, this isn't even a racial question. Any cop who abuses his power and kills an unarmed, handcuffed dude deserves the harshest sentence IMO.
Watching the full leaked vid, it’s not obvious he did.
1) his knee restraint was legal specially to those resisting arrests. Did Floyd resist arrest? Yes, quite heavily in fact and even his friends was telling him to stop resisting arrest but he was too high.
2) George floyd asked to be laid on the ground because he wouldn’t go inside the car with the windows rolled down. So the visual of him laying on the ground, he asked for it!
3) he said he couldn’t breath BeFORE the cops were even touching him. So when he said it when he probably couldn’t breath, why would they believe him? He was saying it throughout whilst standing.
4) the amount of drugs in his system, it’s very possible that the stress and panic attack is what triggered whatever it is that killed him, not necessarily from strangulation or air/blood flow restriction. Again, this is what the trial is to confirm.
So it’s absolutely not cut and dry. The trial is for this reason and you seem to have conducted your own trial in your head.
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Originally Posted By plsmire⏩
Before I read this. I'd like to say this is not what a trial is intended for. This is what a solid and thorough investigation is for.That’s what the trial is for. To find out if he did murder him or not.
Watching the full leaked vid, it’s not obvious he did.
1) his knee restraint was legal specially to those resisting arrests. Did Floyd resist arrest? Yes, quite heavily in fact and even his friends was telling him to stop resisting arrest but he was too high.
2) George floyd asked to be laid on the ground because he wouldn’t go inside the car with the windows rolled down. So the visual of him laying on the ground, he asked for it!
3) he said he couldn’t breath BeFORE the cops were even touching him. So when he said it when he probably couldn’t breath, why would they believe him? He was saying it throughout whilst standing.
4) the amount of drugs in his system, it’s very possible that the stress and panic attack is what triggered whatever it is that killed him, not necessarily from strangulation or air/blood flow restriction. Again, this is what the trial is to confirm.
So it’s absolutely not cut and dry. The trial is for this reason and you seem to have conducted your own trial in your head.
Watching the full leaked vid, it’s not obvious he did.
1) his knee restraint was legal specially to those resisting arrests. Did Floyd resist arrest? Yes, quite heavily in fact and even his friends was telling him to stop resisting arrest but he was too high.
2) George floyd asked to be laid on the ground because he wouldn’t go inside the car with the windows rolled down. So the visual of him laying on the ground, he asked for it!
3) he said he couldn’t breath BeFORE the cops were even touching him. So when he said it when he probably couldn’t breath, why would they believe him? He was saying it throughout whilst standing.
4) the amount of drugs in his system, it’s very possible that the stress and panic attack is what triggered whatever it is that killed him, not necessarily from strangulation or air/blood flow restriction. Again, this is what the trial is to confirm.
So it’s absolutely not cut and dry. The trial is for this reason and you seem to have conducted your own trial in your head.
Mind you both sides are adversarial and hyperbolic as intended
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only somebody who truly hates America would let Chauvin walk.
even if you somehow find him innocent (the bastard is 100% guilty and sick) then you should at least throw him under the bus for the sake of this nation.
even if you somehow find him innocent (the bastard is 100% guilty and sick) then you should at least throw him under the bus for the sake of this nation.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Whilst that is true, that is what the trial is for, us as the public who are not privy to the investigation. As all will be revealed at the trial. The investigation will happen, most likely it will still be grey and the jury will decide based on the findings of the investigation whether he murdered or not.Before I read this. I'd like to say this is not what a trial is intended for. This is what a solid and thorough investigation is for.
Mind you both sides are adversarial and hyperbolic as intended
Mind you both sides are adversarial and hyperbolic as intended
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Originally Posted By Blazenwave⏩
That’s not how justice works. And “for the sake of this nation” sounds very much like capitulating or being bullied into an unjust decision due to external pressure.only somebody who truly hates America would let Chauvin walk.
even if you somehow find him innocent (the bastard is 100% guilty and sick) then you should at least throw him under the bus for the sake of this nation.
even if you somehow find him innocent (the bastard is 100% guilty and sick) then you should at least throw him under the bus for the sake of this nation.
He will be trialed and he should get whatever it is he deserves to get, whether that is, prison or walk away, I don’t care, as long as the trial and jurors are fair.
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Originally Posted By plsmire⏩
In America you have due process. When you fail to uphold that standard we fail as a society.Whilst that is true, that is what the trial is for, us as the public who are not privy to the investigation. As all will be revealed at the trial. The investigation will happen, most likely it will still be grey and the jury will decide based on the findings of the investigation whether he murdered or not.
You're a child molester because I say so. Now we learn at your trial that you're likely not a chester chomo. But the state has complete authority to state anything they want in any manner they want. The state isn't intended to be fair in court, they're there to win with the facts gained from the investigation.
Seem fair? You've spent all your life savings and sold your mom's house to fight a child molestation charge. Novel concept isn't it? Investigate thoroughly, indict, go to court.
Justice shouldn't bow to mob rule. Ever. The state shouldn't bring grey to citizen. It submits probable cause to an independent and indifferent arbiter and then proceeds.
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You can tell the posters in this thread that did not watch the bodycam video that was just released(we all know you did) and/or completely brainwashed by ******** news.
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Originally Posted By plsmire⏩
lol wtf? justice is justice because the people want it. laws are built around what people want. god did not come down and write our laws, just lmao...That’s not how justice works. And “for the sake of this nation” sounds very much like capitulating or being bullied into an unjust decision due to external pressure.
He will be trialed and he should get whatever it is he deserves to get, whether that is, prison or walk away, I don’t care, as long as the trial and jurors are fair.
He will be trialed and he should get whatever it is he deserves to get, whether that is, prison or walk away, I don’t care, as long as the trial and jurors are fair.
most americans want him behind bars forever, that's all the justice you need.
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link itYou can tell the posters in this thread that did not watch the bodycam video that was just released(we all know you did) and/or completely brainwashed by ******** news.
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Originally Posted By Blazenwave⏩
Most americans do not want him behind bars, they are a afraid to speak up because they don't want to get cancelled.lol wtf? justice is justice because the people want it. laws are built around what people want. god did not come down and write our laws, just lmao...
most americans want him behind bars forever, that's all the justice you need.
most americans want him behind bars forever, that's all the justice you need.
Also, most of the people that did want him arrested were fed false and misleading information.
It's legit time for the bull**** to stop.
All the people that gave these far left anarchists a platform should be ashamed of themselves. You are a part of the problem, not the solution. You've done more damage to this country than anyone else.
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Didn't read this thread, I don't need to. In the US to be convicted of a criminal act you have to be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt." Basically means if this guy was on drugs or whatever and it is "possible" had some sort of a heart attack or whatever the cops are going to walk. Will bet my life all of the cops get off. Has nothing to do with if I like Chauvin, he seems like he is a piece of sh*t but judges and juries make decisions based on laws. And he is going to walk. I could get him off easily.
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Originally Posted By Blazenwave⏩
What the fuk.only somebody who truly hates America would let Chauvin walk.
even if you somehow find him innocent (the bastard is 100% guilty and sick) then you should at least throw him under the bus for the sake of this nation.
even if you somehow find him innocent (the bastard is 100% guilty and sick) then you should at least throw him under the bus for the sake of this nation.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever read.
The rule of law should stand above all. ESPECIALLY above the mob. Fuk the mob and fuk mob justice. The day the courts bend to the appease the mob is the day America is dead. If he is found innocent then he walks, the end. If he's found guilty, then he doesn't.
In a sane world this would discredit the neo-marxist movement but we all know that won't happen.
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Originally Posted By Schism45⏩
what is the law except some words that are to be INTERPRETEDcase by casevia what you call the 'mob'??? ask yourself that you fukin retard.What the fuk.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever read.
The rule of law should stand above all. ESPECIALLY above the mob. Fuk the mob and fuk mob justice. The day the courts bend to the appease the mob is the day America is dead. If he is found innocent then he walks, the end. If he's found guilty, then he doesn't.
In a sane world this would discredit the neo-marxist movement but we all know that won't happen.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever read.
The rule of law should stand above all. ESPECIALLY above the mob. Fuk the mob and fuk mob justice. The day the courts bend to the appease the mob is the day America is dead. If he is found innocent then he walks, the end. If he's found guilty, then he doesn't.
In a sane world this would discredit the neo-marxist movement but we all know that won't happen.
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Originally Posted By pondus_levo⏩
Repped... new video showed that Floyd heavily resisted arrest. I can’t see how they can sentence the cop(s) to anything.You can tell the posters in this thread that did not watch the bodycam video that was just released(we all know you did) and/or completely brainwashed by ******** news.
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If "Floyd was going to die anyways" is the best defense Chauvin's team is going to come up with he's as ****ed as most are imagining him to be.
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I don't think murder is on the table; IMO they should go hard for manslaughter
The cop is a POS who deserves whatever comes his way
But the riots will definitely be worse this next go round
The cop is a POS who deserves whatever comes his way
But the riots will definitely be worse this next go round
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Listen IDC that you homos have a chitty bodycam video that's supposed to somehow offer a pathetic attempt to justify this torture.
I saw the torture, it went on for 8 minutes, and that's all we really needed to see since...
I've seen school shooters, rapists, and murderers get treated better by police officers!! Even when they resist! Therefore, Derek Chauvin could have restrained his stupid egoistical self.
The crowd at the scene wanted him off, was aware that Floyd was dying and he continued out of spite.
Sure George Floyd was a bum but the way he died was SICK and VILE, few humans deserve to die the way he did, he was NOT one of those people.
If justice prevails, he will go to PRISON. The body cam of Floyd resisting proves and justifies absolutely nothing, he was tortured.
Can't believe it, ya'll are the 'he dindu nuffin he wuz a good cop' simps.
I saw the torture, it went on for 8 minutes, and that's all we really needed to see since...
I've seen school shooters, rapists, and murderers get treated better by police officers!! Even when they resist! Therefore, Derek Chauvin could have restrained his stupid egoistical self.
The crowd at the scene wanted him off, was aware that Floyd was dying and he continued out of spite.
Sure George Floyd was a bum but the way he died was SICK and VILE, few humans deserve to die the way he did, he was NOT one of those people.
If justice prevails, he will go to PRISON. The body cam of Floyd resisting proves and justifies absolutely nothing, he was tortured.
Can't believe it, ya'll are the 'he dindu nuffin he wuz a good cop' simps.
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
ThatI don't think murder is on the table; IMO they should go hard for manslaughter
The cop is a POS who deserves whatever comes his way
But the riots will definitely be worse this next go round
The cop is a POS who deserves whatever comes his way
But the riots will definitely be worse this next go round
but it isn't an open and shut kind of thing
Watch him hire Alan Dercherwitz(?)
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Originally Posted By Blazenwave⏩
Calm down. You're raging a little too hard. Pretty sure your nipples are leaking.Listen IDC that you homos have a chitty bodycam video that's supposed to somehow offer a pathetic attempt to justify this torture.
I saw the torture, it went on for 8 minutes, and that's all we really needed to see since...
I've seen school shooters, rapists, and murderers get treated better by police officers!! Even when they resist! Therefore, Derek Chauvin could have restrained his stupid egoistical self.
The crowd at the scene wanted him off, was aware that Floyd was dying and he continued out of spite.
Sure George Floyd was a bum but the way he died was SICK and VILE, few humans deserve to die the way he did, he was NOT one of those people.
If justice prevails, he will go to JAIL for life. The body cam of Floyd resisting proves and justifies absolutely nothing, he was tortured.
I saw the torture, it went on for 8 minutes, and that's all we really needed to see since...
I've seen school shooters, rapists, and murderers get treated better by police officers!! Even when they resist! Therefore, Derek Chauvin could have restrained his stupid egoistical self.
The crowd at the scene wanted him off, was aware that Floyd was dying and he continued out of spite.
Sure George Floyd was a bum but the way he died was SICK and VILE, few humans deserve to die the way he did, he was NOT one of those people.
If justice prevails, he will go to JAIL for life. The body cam of Floyd resisting proves and justifies absolutely nothing, he was tortured.
You'll probably have a much better life should you pause the emoting and seek to understand perspective, especially those of others in a rational manner.
Nothing in this life is absolute other than your imminent death. Enjoy life srs. You only get one.
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Originally Posted By blazenwave⏩
"lmao hey everyone i'm retardwave let me just gloss over the context of the entire incident and selectively confirm bias an out of context snippet of the video to confirm my own prejudices. I love mob rule and make sh!tty decisions purely based on emotion and not facts!!! Let me gloss over the resisting arrest for 10 minutes! Let me gloss over the drug overdose! Let me gloss over the "i can't breathe" before any restraint is applied! Let me gloss over his request to be placed on the ground because feeling claustrophobic! Let me gloss over the fact that he was about to drive high as a kite! Let me gloss over the fact that he had covid and spreading it to everyone! Let me gloss over the knee being on the back on the neck and that he could talk calling it choking! Let me call arrests torture! MOST OF ALL, HOW DARE YOU NOT LET ME IDOLIZE A CAREER CRIMINAL!!"listen idc that you homos have a chitty bodycam video that's supposed to somehow offer a pathetic attempt to justify this torture.
I saw the torture, it went on for 8 minutes, and that's all we really needed to see since...
I've seen school shooters, rapists, and murderers get treated better by police officers!! Even when they resist! Therefore, derek chauvin could have restrained his stupid egoistical self.
The crowd at the scene wanted him off, was aware that floyd was dying and he continued out of spite.
Sure george floyd was a bum but the way he died was sick and vile, few humans deserve to die the way he did, he was not one of those people.
If justice prevails, he will go to jail for life. The body cam of floyd resisting proves and justifies absolutely nothing, he was tortured.
Can't believe it, ya'll are the 'he dindu nuffin' simps but for police officers.
I saw the torture, it went on for 8 minutes, and that's all we really needed to see since...
I've seen school shooters, rapists, and murderers get treated better by police officers!! Even when they resist! Therefore, derek chauvin could have restrained his stupid egoistical self.
The crowd at the scene wanted him off, was aware that floyd was dying and he continued out of spite.
Sure george floyd was a bum but the way he died was sick and vile, few humans deserve to die the way he did, he was not one of those people.
If justice prevails, he will go to jail for life. The body cam of floyd resisting proves and justifies absolutely nothing, he was tortured.
Can't believe it, ya'll are the 'he dindu nuffin' simps but for police officers.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Yeah I think we'll be watching this case for a long whileThat
but it isn't an open and shut kind of thing
Watch him hire Alan Dercherwitz(?)
but it isn't an open and shut kind of thing
Watch him hire Alan Dercherwitz(?)
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Originally Posted By Blazenwave⏩
Which people exactly? You mean the 12 jurors? Because they're the only one's who can hand out justice, or at least be able to pass him to someone who can pass it (the judge).lol wtf? justice is justice because the people want it. laws are built around what people want. god did not come down and write our laws, just lmao...
most americans want him behind bars forever, that's all the justice you need.
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most americans want him behind bars forever, that's all the justice you need.
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And what's with the "most Americans"? Strong assumption. The investigation findings which will be revealed at the trial will probably have most of the population finding him not guilty, calling it now. You're saying lock him up regardless what the large public, the jurors and what the evidence says, to appease the mob left?
OK.
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Originally Posted By Blazenwave⏩
LMAOwhat is the law except some words that are to be INTERPRETEDcase by casevia what you call the 'mob'??? ask yourself that you fukin retard.
Mobs do not get to declare the verdict or determine justice.
That is literally the entire point of the law.
It's amazing to even have to type these words to someone
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[QUOTE=JIA post_id=1612627981]"lmao hey everyone i'm retardwave let me just gloss over the context of the entire incident and selectively confirm bias an out of context snippet of the video to confirm my own prejudices. I love mob rule and make sh!tty decisions purely based on emotion and not facts!!! Let me gloss over the resisting arrest for 10 minutes! Let me gloss over the drug overdose! Let me gloss over the "i can't breathe" before any restraint is applied! Let me gloss over his request to be placed on the ground because feeling claustrophobic! Let me gloss over the fact that he was about to drive high as a kite! Let me gloss over the fact that he had covid and spreading it to everyone! Let me gloss over the knee being on the back on the neck and that he could talk calling it choking! Let me call arrests torture! MOST OF ALL, HOW DARE YOU NOT LET ME IDOLIZE A CAREER CRIMINAL!!"[/b][/size][/QUOTE]You are actually the one making decisions based on emotion. Cops deal with people who resist arrest every single day, and many times these are far worse criminals than George was. Nothing that George Floyd did was worthy of lethal force, do I really have to explain that to you? I told you, you are emotionally charged. Let me ask you, why do any of George's crimes matter when there are thousands of resisted arrests per year that happen with criminals who murder, rape, etc.? Can you answer me why all cops are able to keep school shooters and serial rapists alive in their custody but are unable to get off the neck for 8 minutes of a petty career criminal? The distinction is that Derek Chauvin is a little chit face, you are victim blaming George Floyd and it's pathetic. Let me repeat it in case you don't understand, cops deal with criminals who literally shoot at them 2 minutes ago, dropped their gun run but still resist arrest. These criminals end up alive. They are 10x worse than Floyd but the officers are able to keep their cool. Officers risk their lives everyday to do it the right way - then you have the little coward in this equation is Derek Chauvin. He is a bad cop, he dishonors the good cops who act with integrity and deserves punishment.
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Originally Posted By JIA⏩
I expect nothing less out of a bitter divorced cuck"lmao hey everyone i'm retardwave let me just gloss over the context of the entire incident and selectively confirm bias an out of context snippet of the video to confirm my own prejudices. I love mob rule and make sh!tty decisions purely based on emotion and not facts!!! Let me gloss over the resisting arrest for 10 minutes! Let me gloss over the drug overdose! Let me gloss over the "i can't breathe" before any restraint is applied! Let me gloss over his request to be placed on the ground because feeling claustrophobic! Let me gloss over the fact that he was about to drive high as a kite! Let me gloss over the fact that he had covid and spreading it to everyone! Let me gloss over the knee being on the back on the neck and that he could talk calling it choking! Let me call arrests torture! MOST OF ALL, HOW DARE YOU NOT LET ME IDOLIZE A CAREER CRIMINAL!!"
08-05-2020, 07:03 AM
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After seeing the latest bodycam footage released, i'm not surprised although i thought he might get manslaughter.
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Originally Posted By JIA⏩
We cannot allow facts to get in the way of truths."lmao hey everyone i'm retardwave let me just gloss over the context of the entire incident and selectively confirm bias an out of context snippet of the video to confirm my own prejudices. I love mob rule and make sh!tty decisions purely based on emotion and not facts!!! Let me gloss over the resisting arrest for 10 minutes! Let me gloss over the drug overdose! Let me gloss over the "i can't breathe" before any restraint is applied! Let me gloss over his request to be placed on the ground because feeling claustrophobic! Let me gloss over the fact that he was about to drive high as a kite! Let me gloss over the fact that he had covid and spreading it to everyone! Let me gloss over the knee being on the back on the neck and that he could talk calling it choking! Let me call arrests torture! MOST OF ALL, HOW DARE YOU NOT LET ME IDOLIZE A CAREER CRIMINAL!!"
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