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Thread: Has Tom Brady reached Michael Jordan's level of GOATness? (if not, why?)

post 1629727503 01-26-2021, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted By DynamicDot⏩
I would consider defense to be talent in which Brady clearly had better talent. So no. And yeah as the guy said, Peyton is 3-1 vs. Brady in the AFC Championship games.
If you’re going by a head head argument (which is dumb to begin with) Brady is 11-6 total against Manning. The Manning vs Brady debate ended in like 2014, it’s not even close, Manning was never clutch.
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Brady has played in the NFL for 21 years and been to 10 Super Bowls, winning 6, and honestly should have 8 rings if it wasn't for two miracle throws from Eli Manning. This is an absurd statistic considering the NFL Salary Cap and always changing supporting casts.
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Originally Posted By nothingshocking⏩
This is just an idiotic post.

Michael Jordan at the start of his career with Orlando Wolridge and Brad Sellars couldn't Beat Showtime? they had 2 players of Jordan's caliber on the team - Magic and Kareem, then a perenial all star in James Worthy and defensive player of the year Michael Cooper?

He Couldn't beat the Celtics? Kevin McHale was better than anyone Jordan ever played with, and the Chief DJ and Ainge were pretty ****ing good.

So Jordan and a couple scrubbs couldn't beat a couple completely loaded teams that at the time were considered in the discussion of the best teams of all times?

No clue what you're saying about the pistons having their run... They literally beat the chit out of Jordan for a couple years then Bulls ended what would have been their run and went on a run of their own.


Put the loaded Bulls of the 90's up against the loaded Celtics and Lakers of the 80's.

Fuk the Pistons, they don't belong in the same conversation.
Bulls dominated in a chitty era. The 80's Celtics and Lakers would annihilate the 90's Bulls.

Bird Parish McHale Dennis Johnson and Ainge.
Magic, Byron Scott, James Worthy, Kareem and Kurt Rambis
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Bill Wennington/Luc Longley at C
Dennis Rodman
Scottie Pippen
MJ
Ron Harper

Parish and Kareem would eat up Longley and Wennington This is the key right here.
Scottie or Rodman would have to deal with McHale on the post. That would be a matchup Nightmare. Worthy is a wash to Pippen. Rodman was no threat offensively.
The other would be lucky enough to get Larry Bird, one of the top 5 players of all time. If he doesn't score he's getting assists and double figure on the boards.
Kurt Rambis was a good rebounder, Bulls have advantage there
Michael would get his points, however, he'd be checked by Dennis Johnson who was All First Team Defense 9 Consecutive Times. Who is going to account for Magic? 6'9' point guard who scored 39 points the night he played center as a rookie vs. the 76ers in the Finals
Byron Scott Danny Ainge are both better than Ron Harper.

Off the bench Kukoc vs. Walton (HOf) McAdoo (HOF)

It would be 6 games tops.
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Originally Posted By CrimsonSteel⏩
Didn't Gretzky dominate hockey harder than either of these two dominated basketball and footabll, respectively?
Although this thread limits the choice to only two athletes, I'd agree we'd have to add NHL's Gretzky were we to rank all GOAT athletes in all (team) sports in the world. Add to that, although I don't follow FIFA, but since that's arguably the world's most popular sport, whoever's the GOAT out of them would also need to get added in.

To OP's original question, I would say at this point having seen both sides present fairly solid arguments, it's a strong possibility.
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Originally Posted By Rattelsnake⏩
Although this thread limits the choice to only two athletes, I'd agree we'd have to add NHL's Gretzky were we to rank all GOAT athletes in all (team) sports in the world. Add to that, although I don't follow FIFA, but since that's arguably the world's most popular sport, whoever's the GOAT out of them would also need to get added in.

To OP's original question, I would say at this point having seen both sides present fairly solid arguments, it's a strong possibility.
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Originally Posted By Rattelsnake⏩
Although this thread limits the choice to only two athletes, I'd agree we'd have to add NHL's Gretzky were we to rank all GOAT athletes in all (team) sports in the world. Add to that, although I don't follow FIFA, but since that's arguably the world's most popular sport, whoever's the GOAT out of them would also need to get added in.

To OP's original question, I would say at this point having seen both sides present fairly solid arguments, it's a strong possibility.
Sports popularity is obviously a factor. So in the USA Brady would be king.

Jordan would definitely rank as the most popular shoe salesman of all time. Not the greatest athlete of all time.
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Brady is more comparable to Derek Jeter. Both are guys who, statistically and talent-wise, are not necessarily the best. Their entire legacies come from winning, which is also a product of the organization they played for.

In contrast, Jordan was the best statistically and talent-wise. Even if he won 1 championship instead of 6, he would still be considered the greatest
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Winning this year will put him as the greatest athlete ever, just my 2cents
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Originally Posted By QuentinSutpen⏩
Brady is more comparable to Derek Jeter. Both are guys who, statistically and talent-wise, are not necessarily the best. Their entire legacies come from winning, which is also a product of the organization they played for.

In contrast, Jordan was the best statistically and talent-wise. Even if he won 1 championship instead of 6, he would still be considered the greatest
Jeter doesn't even have the most WS rings or appearances on his own team. Brady has more than any other player in NFL history, all as a starter at the most cerebral and important position on the field.
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Originally Posted By QuentinSutpen⏩
Brady is more comparable to Derek Jeter. Both are guys who, statistically and talent-wise, are not necessarily the best. Their entire legacies come from winning, which is also a product of the organization they played for.

In contrast, Jordan was the best statistically and talent-wise. Even if he won 1 championship instead of 6, he would still be considered the greatest
I don't understand where this statistic and talent nonsense is coming from. Does nobody realize that Brady is at LEAST top 10 if not top 5 in every single passing category. He holds multiple individual NFL records. Everyone focuses on the rings while forgetting that Brady is also a statistical monster as well. And to say that he's not talented is utter nonsense.
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Originally Posted By GarthVader⏩
I don't understand where this statistic and talent nonsense is coming from. Does nobody realize that Brady is at LEAST top 10 if not top 5 in every single passing category. He holds multiple individual NFL records. Everyone focuses on the rings while forgetting that Brady is also a statistical monster as well. And to say that he's not talented is utter nonsense.
Yes, top 5. But Jordan, unlike Brady, was a clean #1 in stats.

During Brady's career, he was statistically inferior to Payton Manning. The rings are only reason that people rank Brady over Manning. But with Jordan, there was no one who was regarded as superior to him, in any regard
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Originally Posted By QuentinSutpen⏩
Brady is more comparable to Derek Jeter. Both are guys who, statistically and talent-wise, are not necessarily the best. Their entire legacies come from winning, which is also a product of the organization they played for.

In contrast, Jordan was the best statistically and talent-wise. Even if he won 1 championship instead of 6, he would still be considered the greatest
Wrong. Far and away the best.
Originally Posted By QuentinSutpen⏩
Yes, top 5. But Jordan, unlike Brady, was a clean #1 in stats.

During Brady's career, he was statistically inferior to Payton Manning. The rings are only reason that people rank Brady over Manning. But with Jordan, there was no one who was regarded as superior to him, in any regard
Stats are for losers.
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Originally Posted By QuentinSutpen⏩
Yes, top 5. But Jordan, unlike Brady, was a clean #1 in stats.

During Brady's career, he was statistically inferior to Payton Manning. The rings are only reason that people rank Brady over Manning. But with Jordan, there was no one who was regarded as superior to him, in any regard
Not true. There were multiple seasons that Brady exceeded Manning statistically. And multiple season that Brady led the league in various passing stats.
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Originally Posted By AlBHappy⏩
Bulls dominated in a chitty era. The 80's Celtics and Lakers would annihilate the 90's Bulls.

Bird Parish McHale Dennis Johnson and Ainge.
Magic, Byron Scott, James Worthy, Kareem and Kurt Rambis
vs.
Bill Wennington/Luc Longley at C
Dennis Rodman
Scottie Pippen
MJ
Ron Harper

Parish and Kareem would eat up Longley and Wennington This is the key right here.
Scottie or Rodman would have to deal with McHale on the post. That would be a matchup Nightmare. Worthy is a wash to Pippen. Rodman was no threat offensively.
The other would be lucky enough to get Larry Bird, one of the top 5 players of all time. If he doesn't score he's getting assists and double figure on the boards.
Kurt Rambis was a good rebounder, Bulls have advantage there
Michael would get his points, however, he'd be checked by Dennis Johnson who was All First Team Defense 9 Consecutive Times. Who is going to account for Magic? 6'9' point guard who scored 39 points the night he played center as a rookie vs. the 76ers in the Finals
Byron Scott Danny Ainge are both better than Ron Harper.

Off the bench Kukoc vs. Walton (HOf) McAdoo (HOF)

It would be 6 games tops.
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"the key is Kareem and Parish dominating Longley and Wennington"

half the league dominated Longley and Wennington

The Bulls dominated in the Golden Era for centers - Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Mourning, Mutumbo

every single one of those dudes was better than Parish, and you're telling me the key to beating the 90's Bulls is dominating their centers

you're an idiot, may God have mercy on your soul
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