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06-25-2023, 05:56 PM
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06-25-2023, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The problem is that there isn’t a single study showing statistically significant reduced all cause morbidity with the vaccines. All the studies show exactly the opposite. So if antibodies are being developed or not (I don’t see how if people are continually dying from Covid that are vaxxed & boosted) what difference does it really make if all cause mortality is up significantly?Can you share some support?
There is ample evidence of both antibody and t-cell development (aka acquired immunity) following administration of the available covid vaccines.
How do you refute it?
Post #162 is a heckle but at least specifies sterilizing immunity.
There is ample evidence of both antibody and t-cell development (aka acquired immunity) following administration of the available covid vaccines.
How do you refute it?
Post #162 is a heckle but at least specifies sterilizing immunity.
For a vaccine whose safety has been questioned, shouldn’t we require proof of all cause morbidity benefits before we approve the vaccines and/or mandate the vaccines?
06-25-2023, 06:05 PM
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06-25-2023, 06:07 PM
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#154
Originally Posted By Paul
Why are you attempting to conflate "all cause morbidity" with acquired immunity?The problem is that there isn’t a single study showing statistically significant reduced all cause morbidity with the vaccines. All the studies show exactly the opposite. So if antibodies are being developed or not (I don’t see how if people are continually dying from Covid that are vaxxed & boosted) what difference does it really make if all cause mortality is up significantly?
For a vaccine whose safety has been questioned, shouldn’t we require proof of all cause morbidity benefits before we approve the vaccines and/or mandate the vaccines?
For a vaccine whose safety has been questioned, shouldn’t we require proof of all cause morbidity benefits before we approve the vaccines and/or mandate the vaccines?
06-25-2023, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Because what is the benefit of the public taking something that they are lead to believe that will save them from death if that is not the case?Why are you attempting to conflate "all cause morbidity" with acquired immunity?
06-25-2023, 06:16 PM
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#156
Originally Posted By Paul
Clearly he's okay with the medical community, through the MSM, spreading misinformation that led to the general public thinking that the covid vaccines offered sterilizing immunity.Because what is the benefit of the public taking something that they are lead to believe that will save them from death if that is not the case?
06-25-2023, 06:21 PM
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#157
Originally Posted By Paul
Why are you changing the criterion?Because what is the benefit of the public taking something that they are lead to believe that will save them from death if that is not the case?
If we're going back to just covid vaccines, the data indicate reduced mortality (I dunno how/why you wrangle it into morbidity) with vaccination.
Even better, because you support the narrative, your posts are taken as both truly intellectual and honest, regardless of the content. Despite all of the evidence you provide to the contrary.
Only those who question you are targeted with heckling.
Lulz
06-25-2023, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
That's a swirly path of accountabilityClearly he's okay with the medical community, through the MSM, spreading misinformation that led to the general public thinking that the covid vaccines offered sterilizing immunity.

06-25-2023, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
People like him & Wincel have no concern for human life, & it shows in every post. They are more concerned protecting their ideologies & pushing a narrative that they believe true.Clearly he's okay with the medical community, through the MSM, spreading misinformation that led to the general public thinking that the covid vaccines offered sterilizing immunity.
Even if they are true believers in what they push, they well never step back and just be mildly observant saying, “well chit, maybe this is doing more harm than good, maybe all these so called scientific papers aren’t correlating to what I’m actually seeing happen in the real world”
There isn’t an ounce of self awareness within them.
06-25-2023, 06:25 PM
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#160
Originally Posted By Paul
Then why can't you state your position and support it?People like him & Wincel have no concern for human life, & it shows in every post. They are more concerned protecting their ideologies & pushing a narrative that they believe true.
Even if they are true believers in what they push, they well never step back and just be mildly observant saying, “well chit, maybe this is doing more harm than good, maybe all these so called scientific papers aren’t correlating to what I’m actually seeing happen in the real world”
There isn’t an ounce of self awareness with them.
Even if they are true believers in what they push, they well never step back and just be mildly observant saying, “well chit, maybe this is doing more harm than good, maybe all these so called scientific papers aren’t correlating to what I’m actually seeing happen in the real world”
There isn’t an ounce of self awareness with them.
06-25-2023, 06:30 PM
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#161
Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
You keep posting this, but it's unclear what you're looking for as a responseIt might be the same reason why you can't address this:
Because it has not been addressed yet, I'll repost it ( and will keep reposting it until it is addressed ):
The medical community, through the MSM, have spread misinformation that led to the general public thinking that the covid vaccines offered sterilizing immunity.
It seems you are on board with said misinformation being spread, just like how you are on board with your government still, up to this day, posting misinformation on the official website.
Did you find that vial of Comirnaty yet?
Because it has not been addressed yet, I'll repost it ( and will keep reposting it until it is addressed ):
The medical community, through the MSM, have spread misinformation that led to the general public thinking that the covid vaccines offered sterilizing immunity.
It seems you are on board with said misinformation being spread, just like how you are on board with your government still, up to this day, posting misinformation on the official website.
Did you find that vial of Comirnaty yet?

I have no input or control over MSM messaging.
06-25-2023, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
But it's me who's accused of being a botAnd yet, it hasn't been addressed yet.
Because it has not been addressed yet, I'll repost it ( and will keep reposting it until it is addressed ):
The medical community, through the MSM, have spread misinformation that led to the general public thinking that the covid vaccines offered sterilizing immunity.
It seems you are on board with said misinformation being spread, just like how you are on board with your government still, up to this day, posting misinformation on the official website.
Did you find that vial of Comirnaty yet?
Because it has not been addressed yet, I'll repost it ( and will keep reposting it until it is addressed ):
The medical community, through the MSM, have spread misinformation that led to the general public thinking that the covid vaccines offered sterilizing immunity.
It seems you are on board with said misinformation being spread, just like how you are on board with your government still, up to this day, posting misinformation on the official website.
Did you find that vial of Comirnaty yet?


06-25-2023, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
IgG4 Antibodies Induced by Repeated Vaccination May Generate Immune Tolerance to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike ProteinThen why can't you state your position and support it?
As the immunity provided by these vaccines rapidly wanes, their ability to prevent hospitalization and severe disease in individuals with comorbidities has recently been questioned, and increasing evidence has shown that, as with many other vaccines, they do not produce sterilizing immunity, allowing people to suffer frequent re-infections. Additionally, recent investigations have found abnormally high levels of IgG4 in people who were administered two or more injections of the mRNA vaccines. HIV, Malaria, and Pertussis vaccines have also been reported to induce higher-than-normal IgG4 synthesis. Overall, there are three critical factors determining the class switch to IgG4 antibodies: excessive antigen concentration, repeated vaccination, and the type of vaccine used. It has been suggested that an increase in IgG4 levels could have a protecting role by preventing immune over-activation, similar to that occurring during successful allergen-specific immunotherapy by inhibiting IgE-induced effects. However, emerging evidence suggests that the reported increase in IgG4 levels detected after repeated vaccination with the mRNA vaccines may not be a protective mechanism; rather, it constitutes an immune tolerance mechanism to the spike protein that could promote unopposed SARS-CoV2 infection and replication by suppressing natural antiviral responses. Increased IgG4 synthesis due to repeated mRNA vaccination with high antigen concentrations may also cause autoimmune diseases, and promote cancer growth and autoimmune myocarditis in susceptible individuals.
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/11/5/991
06-25-2023, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
But that says vaccination leads to antibody development.IgG4 Antibodies Induced by Repeated Vaccination May Generate Immune Tolerance to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein
As the immunity provided by these vaccines rapidly wanes, their ability to prevent hospitalization and severe disease in individuals with comorbidities has recently been questioned, and increasing evidence has shown that, as with many other vaccines, they do not produce sterilizing immunity, allowing people to suffer frequent re-infections. Additionally, recent investigations have found abnormally high levels of IgG4 in people who were administered two or more injections of the mRNA vaccines. HIV, Malaria, and Pertussis vaccines have also been reported to induce higher-than-normal IgG4 synthesis. Overall, there are three critical factors determining the class switch to IgG4 antibodies: excessive antigen concentration, repeated vaccination, and the type of vaccine used. It has been suggested that an increase in IgG4 levels could have a protecting role by preventing immune over-activation, similar to that occurring during successful allergen-specific immunotherapy by inhibiting IgE-induced effects. However, emerging evidence suggests that the reported increase in IgG4 levels detected after repeated vaccination with the mRNA vaccines may not be a protective mechanism; rather, it constitutes an immune tolerance mechanism to the spike protein that could promote unopposed SARS-CoV2 infection and replication by suppressing natural antiviral responses. Increased IgG4 synthesis due to repeated mRNA vaccination with high antigen concentrations may also cause autoimmune diseases, and promote cancer growth and autoimmune myocarditis in susceptible individuals.
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/11/5/991
As the immunity provided by these vaccines rapidly wanes, their ability to prevent hospitalization and severe disease in individuals with comorbidities has recently been questioned, and increasing evidence has shown that, as with many other vaccines, they do not produce sterilizing immunity, allowing people to suffer frequent re-infections. Additionally, recent investigations have found abnormally high levels of IgG4 in people who were administered two or more injections of the mRNA vaccines. HIV, Malaria, and Pertussis vaccines have also been reported to induce higher-than-normal IgG4 synthesis. Overall, there are three critical factors determining the class switch to IgG4 antibodies: excessive antigen concentration, repeated vaccination, and the type of vaccine used. It has been suggested that an increase in IgG4 levels could have a protecting role by preventing immune over-activation, similar to that occurring during successful allergen-specific immunotherapy by inhibiting IgE-induced effects. However, emerging evidence suggests that the reported increase in IgG4 levels detected after repeated vaccination with the mRNA vaccines may not be a protective mechanism; rather, it constitutes an immune tolerance mechanism to the spike protein that could promote unopposed SARS-CoV2 infection and replication by suppressing natural antiviral responses. Increased IgG4 synthesis due to repeated mRNA vaccination with high antigen concentrations may also cause autoimmune diseases, and promote cancer growth and autoimmune myocarditis in susceptible individuals.
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/11/5/991
You said it doesn't.

06-25-2023, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
“However, emerging evidence suggests that the reported increase in IgG4 levels detected after repeated vaccination with the mRNA vaccines may not be a protective mechanism; rather, it constitutes an immune tolerance mechanism to the spike protein that could promote unopposed SARS-CoV2 infection & replication”But that says vaccination leads to antibody development.
You said it doesn't.

You said it doesn't.

I asked what the point is of taking a vaccine if it is showing it is doing more harm than good?
This goes back to the rabies vaccine we discussed.
I know you want so badly to stick to your narrative, but can you be objective for a minute?
06-25-2023, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Where do you see that the vaccine(s) are doing more harm than good?I asked what the point is of taking a vaccine if it is showing it is doing more harm than good?
This goes back to the rabies vaccine we discussed.
I know you want so badly to stick to your narrative, but can you be objective for a minute?
This goes back to the rabies vaccine we discussed.
I know you want so badly to stick to your narrative, but can you be objective for a minute?
For covid or rabies?
After edit, igg4 is neutralizing but non-inflammatory. Where are you seeing that it's bad?
06-25-2023, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
“However, emerging evidence suggests that the reported increase in IgG4 levels detected after repeated vaccination with the mRNA vaccines may not be a protective mechanism; rather, it constitutes an immune tolerance mechanism to the spike protein that could promote unopposed SARS-CoV2 infection and replicaction…Where do you see that the vaccine(s) are doing more harm than good?
For covid or rabies?
For covid or rabies?
Lethal COVID-19 cases have been linked to higher levels of IgG4 antibodies [28,29], and it has also been documented that mRNA vaccines trigger their synthesis [30,31]. It is, therefore, important to analyze this issue in depth. In this paper, we provide the scientific rationale suggesting that repeated vaccination with mRNA vaccines could generate an immune tolerance mechanism, thereby favoring unopposed SARS-CoV-2 replication. The long-term consequence of this tolerance could be the establishment of a permissive state of the host leading to chronic infection and other unintended consequences induced by mRNA vaccination“
This is exactly what we are seeing.
06-25-2023, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
We're seeing antibody development?“However, emerging evidence suggests that the reported increase in IgG4 levels detected after repeated vaccination with the mRNA vaccines may not be a protective mechanism; rather, it constitutes an immune tolerance mechanism to the spike protein that could promote unopposed SARS-CoV2 infection and replicaction…
Lethal COVID-19 cases have been linked to higher levels of IgG4 antibodies [28,29], and it has also been documented that mRNA vaccines trigger their synthesis [30,31]. It is, therefore, important to analyze this issue in depth. In this paper, we provide the scientific rationale suggesting that repeated vaccination with mRNA vaccines could generate an immune tolerance mechanism, thereby favoring unopposed SARS-CoV-2 replication. The long-term consequence of this tolerance could be the establishment of a permissive state of the host leading to chronic infection and other unintended consequences induced by mRNA vaccination“
This is exactly what we are seeing.
Lethal COVID-19 cases have been linked to higher levels of IgG4 antibodies [28,29], and it has also been documented that mRNA vaccines trigger their synthesis [30,31]. It is, therefore, important to analyze this issue in depth. In this paper, we provide the scientific rationale suggesting that repeated vaccination with mRNA vaccines could generate an immune tolerance mechanism, thereby favoring unopposed SARS-CoV-2 replication. The long-term consequence of this tolerance could be the establishment of a permissive state of the host leading to chronic infection and other unintended consequences induced by mRNA vaccination“
This is exactly what we are seeing.
06-25-2023, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
We are seeing all cause mortality upWe're seeing antibody development?
06-25-2023, 07:14 PM
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06-25-2023, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
That wane & as a result of said injection, end up dying from chronic infection and or other unintended consequences..But no antibody development in response to vaccinatation?
How is that beneficial..?
06-25-2023, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Chronic infection with what?That wane & as a result of said injection, end up dying from chronic infection and or other unintended consequences..
How is that beneficial..?
How is that beneficial..?
Do antibodies wane after covid infection?
How did Dave get it twice without being vaccinated?
06-25-2023, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
How bout Covid for 200?Chronic infection with what?
06-25-2023, 07:28 PM
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06-25-2023, 07:30 PM
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#175
Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Because today it is the covid vaccine, but tomorrow u mfers will bring polio back.Why?
You've got all your vaccines and boosters, and would probably beg for more if you thought you could get them. Probably even have all your blood drained out and replaced with hot delicious Fauci Fluid.
And you're certainly still quarantined, so Imma go out on a limb and guess you'll be safe.
So WTF do you care if anybody is unvaxxed?
You've got all your vaccines and boosters, and would probably beg for more if you thought you could get them. Probably even have all your blood drained out and replaced with hot delicious Fauci Fluid.
And you're certainly still quarantined, so Imma go out on a limb and guess you'll be safe.
So WTF do you care if anybody is unvaxxed?
06-25-2023, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Okay. I tested positive three times & never even had the sniffles. Doesn’t mean that I actually had Covid, just means myself and others tested positive.But Dave got it twice and would never accept a vaccine or wear a mask.
06-25-2023, 07:38 PM
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06-25-2023, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted By Putinist⏩
The Polio vaccine didn't cure polio. In fact most people that got polio were the ones that took the polio vaccine.Because today it is the covid vaccine, but tomorrow u mfers will bring polio back.
Polio had almost been eradicated in the 1950's before the polio vaccines started back up. Then polio cases exploded.Then they renamed polio once word was getting out that most of the people catching it weed the ones that had taken the polio vaccine.
06-25-2023, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Yea we had to test every day for work, forced to wear a mask as well, was under the “essential workers” here in CA.That reads like a fact
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