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Thread: Russia vs Ukraine Thread VII- Frozen mud pie edition: Come meet the bots and shills

post 1673756513 12-29-2022, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
I really hope Iran gets a good government, I know a guy who went to Iran and the people there were extremely friendly even though he was a westerner.

What do you think about the Ayatollah?
I believe Iran needs a reform over a long period. Revolutions are too destructive and risky.

The Ayatollah is very smart, which is unfortunate because their system of rule is not good.
post 1673756723 12-29-2022, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
No Sandeep, they bent them over a long weekend and then stayed for 20 years and finally got tired of the whole thing. And they’ve lost what, a couple thousand soldiers in two decades?
It's strange. The US kept military bases in Japan, Korea & Germany. However, in the case of Afghanistan you got bored and had to leave.

Reality: The Taliban out played the US in the long game. The beat the US by not playing how the US likes and the US got tired of it.
post 1673757263 12-29-2022, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted By MotorcycleBrah⏩
That will surely stop the Ukrainian army.
The Ukraine offensive pushing Russia out hasn't stopped? Seems to have petered out to nothing after Kherson. In fact the little movement we see in the lines of control is going entirely in the wrong direction.
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post 1673757373 12-29-2022, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
Whos fault is that though?

Did anyone force iran to let an extremist islamic govt take power?


Your country would have been much better off if they had remained friends with the US instead of going full retard.



As far as china and india, youre looking at growth and then extrapolating… that isnt how it works. Japan in the 80s went through insane levels of economic growth and everyone thought it would overtake usa by the mid 90s, except it didnt.

Stagnation buddy. The cracks in chinas economic models are already becoming painfully obvious.
Iran has been in a very unique and unfortunate position over the last 100 years. It has been sandwhiched between Islamists/theocracies in the Middle East and Communists in th Soviet Union. Unfuortunately this means that Iran has been influenced by both ideologies. Both of which are frankly terrible.

In terms of did anyone force Iran to allow an islamist government to take over? ofcourse not. As I said it is influenced by two poisonous ideologies and both of these combined to overthrow the Shah of Iran.
However external forces can be blamed also. Both Mosadegh and the Shah who were forced out of power one way or the other. The Isalmic regime however are essentially survivial of the fittest because they are very difficult to dislodge on account of their religious military force.
So Iran went through a turbulent time where external and internal forces tried to take control of the country, until a group who could most survive in power came about. Which ofcourse would be the most extreme group.

If Iran had been left alone I expect we would have seen a much more adaquete form of government and leaderrship.

As the world becomes more interconnected those nations with the largest populations will become closer correlated with total GDP ranking.

India and China will both overtake the US economy in time.
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Originally Posted By PimpinisEasy⏩
It's strange. The US kept military bases in Japan, Korea & Germany. However, in the case of Afghanistan you got bored and had to leave.

Reality: The Taliban out played the US in the long game. The beat the US by not playing how the US likes and the US got tired of it.
Not really, the US wanted to stay so they stayed and there was nothing that the Taliban could do about it. The US tried its usual nation building thing but of course that was never going to happen there.

So they funneled an ungodly amount of taxpayer money into private pockets.
post 1673761113 12-29-2022, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
Not really, the US wanted to stay so they stayed and there was nothing that the Taliban could do about it. The US tried its usual nation building thing but of course that was never going to happen there.

So they funneled an ungodly amount of taxpayer money into private pockets.
So why do you think it will happen in Ukraine?
post 1673765423 12-29-2022, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted By HappyNewWincel⏩
So why do you think it will happen in Ukraine?
"It" referring to what exactly?
post 1673766523 12-29-2022, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
Whos fault is that though?

Did anyone force iran to let an extremist islamic govt take power?
Actually, yes. The US backed the Shah to the point the radical Islamists were the better choice for the average Iranian.

You know..the US coming in and having no fukkin clue about what's going on, and makes things worse?

Have you ever read a History book?
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post 1673766923 12-29-2022, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
"It" referring to what exactly?
Successful nation building.
post 1673767913 12-29-2022, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted By HappyNewWincel⏩
Successful nation building.
It won't, when did I ever imply that it would? Russians couldn't even do it in their own country
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
It won't, when did I ever imply that it would? Russians couldn't even do it in their own country
I meant Biden and Poroshenko's leaked call regarding building a free and democratic Ukraine and the Galician Ukrainians pushing for Ukrainian nationalism and trying to force a common language and revised history on all of Ukraine. Putin isn't nationbuilding. He's just trying to assimilate the Russian Ukrainians. Ukraine is the one trying to nationbuild at the behest of the US.

Check out this book

https://www.amazon.com/Tragedy-Ukrai.../dp/B0BL1CXG8P
post 1673769353 12-29-2022, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted By HappyNewWincel⏩
I meant Biden and Poroshenko's leaked call regarding building a free and democratic Ukraine and the Galician Ukrainians pushing for Ukrainian nationalism and trying to force a common language and revised history on all of Ukraine. Putin isn't nationbuilding. He's just trying to assimilate the Russian Ukrainians. Ukraine is the one trying to nationbuild at the behest of the US.

Check out this book

https://www.amazon.com/Tragedy-Ukrai.../dp/B0BL1CXG8P
Don't think it will happen in the foreseeable future. Sure, the Ukies will probably get tons of funding etc for recovery whenever this war will be over and the pro West/anti Russian sentiments will be higher than ever, but at the end of the day they were still one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in Europe even before they have had to deal with six digits dead/injured numbers, millions of their people displaced/emigrating and whole cities and regions turned into set pieces from the Moon landing, except they will have to keep digging up unexploded crap for the next couple of decades.
post 1673769753 12-29-2022, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
Don't think it will happen in the foreseeable future. Sure, the Ukies will probably get tons of funding etc for recovery whenever this war will be over and the pro West/anti Russian sentiments will be higher than ever, but at the end of the day they were still one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in Europe even before they have had to deal with six digits dead/injured numbers, millions of their people displaced/emigrating and whole cities and regions turned into set pieces from the Moon landing, except they will have to keep digging up unexploded crap for the next couple of decades.
Which causes one to ask why we ever backed them. Had we sat on the sidelines and pledged not to expand NATO and allowed Yanukovych to be replaced by an election, while condemning the racist language laws, Russia would have had no reason to attack, and Ukraine would be doing fine today.
post 1673770073 12-29-2022, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted By HappyNewWincel⏩
Which causes one to ask why we ever backed them. Had we sat on the sidelines and pledged not to expand NATO and allowed Yanukovych to be replaced by an election, while condemning the racist language laws, Russia would have had no reason to attack, and Ukraine would be doing fine today.
Why wouldn't the US back them? Finding further justification for NATO and protecting/further deepening US interests in Europe in exchange for pennies and absolutely zero risk to American lives is a pretty ****ing awesome deal.
post 1673770793 12-29-2022, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
Why wouldn't the US back them? Finding further justification for NATO and protecting/further deepening US interests in Europe in exchange for pennies and absolutely zero risk to American lives is a pretty ****ing awesome deal.
This. We spend about a trillion per year improving military capabilities to stave off Russia and China. 50billion to expose them and cripple their country is the best fiscal conservative way to do it.

Zero ****s given on the financial part
post 1673771383 12-29-2022, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted By BrainletGumble⏩
Why wouldn't the US back them? Finding further justification for NATO and protecting/further deepening US interests in Europe in exchange for pennies and absolutely zero risk to American lives is a pretty ****ing awesome deal.
Europe is our bitch via the EU, theres no reason to further ties with them. We blew up germany's gas pipeline and what did they do about it? Nothing. Hell of a thing to not only spend that much money but also alienate half the worlds population into an alliance against you and all you get out of it is something you already have
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post 1673771653 12-29-2022, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted By HurfDurf⏩
This. We spend about a trillion per year improving military capabilities to stave off Russia and China. 50billion to expose them and cripple their country is the best fiscal conservative way to do it.

Zero ****s given on the financial part
we paid for China's military too lmao. imbecile.
post 1673772523 12-29-2022, 08:18 PM
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Southern Bakhmut, the 71st Jager Brigade looks to be stuck in a cauldron. Maybe they can fight their way out or another Brigade or SOF (closest) can push back the Eastern swell trying to encircle them.

Scary stuff.
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post 1673773483 12-29-2022, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Southern Bakhmut, the 71st Jager Brigade looks to be stuck in a cauldron. Maybe they can fight their way out or another Brigade or SOF (closest) can push back the Eastern swell trying to encircle them.

Scary stuff.
Its okay, when they all die ukraine can give conscription orders to farmers, mechanics etc to replace them. The retard crew has convinced me this is how winning works
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Originally Posted By chalup⏩
inderdasting. BUT I'm not touting it as a "solution" its going to happen regardless. And plenty of rich people are going to pump plenty of money into Ukraine even if its just purely in their interest, it's still going to make Ukraine more rich/better in the long run. I fail to see how it won't. That is unless they actually lose this war and are overtaken by Russia, then they are fukked.
Iraq 2.0, but maybe with a bit more grace since people may be watching more closely, and this isn't us going in to break everything in the China shop.
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Originally Posted By MotorcycleBrah⏩
That will surely stop the Ukrainian army.
Seen any progress against BARS or 208th MRB?

I see it going the opposite of what you've said but I'm open.
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Originally Posted By HurfDurf⏩
This. We spend about a trillion per year improving military capabilities to stave off Russia and China. 50billion to expose them and cripple their country is the best fiscal conservative way to do it.

Zero ****s given on the financial part
Sure if you're going to attack them immediately.

The response is for them to turn into a much stronger and technological military. They've now committed to churning out advanced materiel which will bring them a closer conventional threat to the US. This will last at least a decade.

What will we do during our next conflict? Watch Russia hand our enemy advanced weaponry and kill our soldiers?

I'm not sure why anyone cannot see through their impulses and concern ourselves with our own business.
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Several military and defense related leaders/industrialists dying in the Motherland recently. Mexican cartels putting ******** in vodka now or something?
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Originally Posted By Phil9⏩
Several military and defense related leaders/industrialists dying in the Motherland recently. Mexican cartels putting ******** in vodka now or something?
We ALL need to team up against China and Mexico and kill everyone involved in the ******** trade.

It's killing hundreds of thousands a year world-wide. The true enemy.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Southern Bakhmut, the 71st Jager Brigade looks to be stuck in a cauldron. Maybe they can fight their way out or another Brigade or SOF (closest) can push back the Eastern swell trying to encircle them.

Scary stuff.
Follow up

Skeptical since ISW has been the only ones to map it. Not seeing strong Russian claims either.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
The Ukraine offensive pushing Russia out hasn't stopped? Seems to have petered out to nothing after Kherson. In fact the little movement we see in the lines of control is going entirely in the wrong direction.
Offensive don't work as non stop movements. City or key town is taken, front stabilizes after that. Kherson wasn't that long ago and one of the biggest humiliation of the russian armed forces ever.
Next town will be Kremina, which is key to Severodonetsk and Lyssytschansk while Vatniks still cope about Bakhmut.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Europe is our bitch via the EU, theres no reason to further ties with them. We blew up germany's gas pipeline and what did they do about it? Nothing. Hell of a thing to not only spend that much money but also alienate half the worlds population into an alliance against you and all you get out of it is something you already have
Lol show the evidence america blew up the northstream pipeline p haggot.
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OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO VATNIK BROS, OUR DURKA DRONES?!!!


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https://www.military.com/daily-news/...vasion-of.html


Prigozhin commented on a video that has circulated for a few days, the Beast reported.

In the video, a Wagner fighter addresses comments to the Chief of the General Staff of Russia's army, Valery Gerasimov: "You are a f------ m-----f-----," he said, per the Beast's translation.

"We have nothing to fight with, we have no rounds," he continued. "The guys are dying for us there, and we're f------ sitting here, not helping. We need rounds, we want to f--- everyone up.

"We are fighting against the entire Ukrainian army near Bakhmut. Where are you? It's about time you help us. There's nothing else to f------ call you except m-----f-----!"


OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO VATNIK BROS???!!!
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