They also have performance metrics based on number of people busted. So that definitely doesn't help things.

He's not required to say one phucking word to the cop.

Where do you live?

None of your phucking business.

Where are you going?

None of your phucking business.

What are you doing?

None of your phucking business.


And they wonder why people hate them.

In Colorado, he is actually required to give his name, where he lives, and why he is there. SRS. Nazi state.

There is not a stop and identify law in this country that will stand up in federal appaleat court.

State laws can't trump the US Constitution and Stop and Identify violates the 4th amendment.

People gets way too emotional and doesn't use logic.

Can't tell if sarcasm...if the cop regularly works in a college town, it wouldn't be suspicious for a student (verified with his school ID) to not have an additional ID with that particular residence on it. That was my only point.

Clearly the student ID wasn't enough for this guy lol.Good luck with your getting shot by an angry cop goals of 2019.

I agree. But it's never been taken far enough. And now that Republicans control the supreme court, I don't expect much.

So uh what if the guy doesn't have his ID on him? Dont think there is a law that requires you to carry an ID every time you are outside

Thats whats crazy, its these liberal stronghold states that have enforced draconian laws like stop and frisk laws and you must obey anything a cop says. I mean judging by these posts republicans are no real patriots either. Libertarians are bat****, but at least they understand the government SHOULD LEAVE US THE **** ALONE.

Well, contrary to what fox news tries to push or what CNN might lead u to believe, the "liberal" side still is generally the one favoring civil rights (the exception being gun control), while the "conservative" side is often the one expanding police powers. The "liberals" are usually expanding government powers in business, though.

Why are libertarians "batchit"? I mean Ron and Rand Paul were, but what specifically about Libertarianism as a whole is batchit? It seems more in line with American political philosophy than any other ideology tbh.

I don’t want the government to leave us alone because there are criminals running free in the streets and we need their help and protection from the scum bags of society.

Good cops should have all the initiative they need to enforce laws and keep scum off the streets.

They are a burden to control already and not something that should be given more rightsz

That’s why people can’t have guns in big cities for example because they can’t be controlled enough to keep the peace because they are failures of society.

Fukups and trash people who don’t respect the law or our countries police don’t deserve freedom and respect because they are not responsible enough to enjoy freedom properly and abuse it.

If we find out cops aren’t doing their job in the correct spirit we should replace them too with ones who have the right attitude. But within law let them have the power to control what needs to be controlled.

Oh you....

They should have all the help they need and not a bit more than that. Period. Err too far on the side of law enforcement and you end up with a police state. Authoritarianism is contrary to the entire foundational values of America dude.

We already incarcerate too many people as it is. As of right now, the US has the highest incarceration rate out of any country. Let that sink in.

It's not even entirely about race, you fuking cuck. It's because this chit is not supposed to happen in America. It's an attack on every American citizen. It's an attack on personal liberty.

No because the laws are generally smart and reasonable. We should all be happy enough living within the limits of the law. People who live as though breaking the law is ok to do don’t have a place amongst our society as voted by the majority to agree we all want laws and police and the world would be a lot worse and anarchistic without them.

Grown adults who choose to willingly break the laws are technically not welcome in society and should find a place outside of America to practice their lifestyle.

Oh jesus son, you have it all backwards. NO ONE is promised safety, and its not the job of the govt to provide safety. They are here to provide order and defense from foreign entities. Anything and everything else is overreach.

Laws and by extension cops are REACTIVE, not proactive. You cant stop someone from committing a crime unless you cross into the realm of tyranny (generally speaking it does happen) or else there would be far less crime already.

You and I are not better than ANYONE else, you dont get to decide who has INALIENABLE rights or not.

You seem like the type of guy to not put his hands up when a cop says to and gets tazed because of it, then blames the cop for acting to harshly.

It’s ok buddy, the police state of America continues to exist, in your mind only.

I have enjoyed and will continue to enjoy the ultimate freedom of the greatest country on earth.

I think you have it backwards a bit. Repubs claim to be for small government but do little if anything to stop it. Thats not the same thing as expanding it though(there are examples where they have but no where near to the extent libs have). Where as liberals (well far left) claim to be anti government while GREATLY expanding it. But thats talking about the actual politicians.

As for the people I get sick to my stomach seeing repubs/conservatives backing a police state all in the name of fighting liberals or just being contrarian to them. Libs are 'against' police so repubs are 'for' police. Likewise repubs are 'for' smaller govt while backing the police state and contradicting themselves.

The laws are neither smart nor reasonable. Some of our laws are deliberately designed to "getcha" for chit. For example, in Colorado, he was required to show ID. If he had refused to show his ID, as one would think is his right, he would then be guilty of obstruction. Many people end up in jail over stupid chit sometimes instigated by police. Look at our tax laws and how huge the code is. The law is not even something any single American knows. The fact that you need to be a lawyer to interpret the law should tell you something about how fuking bloated our legal system is. There are actually contradictions in our legal code. We have a court system because ultimately, each case is different, and the law is never rigid enough to be interpreted fairly in all cases for justice. The majority do not vote our laws in. I am not sure if you understand how the American government works. We are a Republic, and our representatives vote based on their own judgment and do not always reflect the beliefs of their constituents. It is true that we would be worse off without law and government, but this is a false dichotomy. You are using an "all or nothing" fallacy. The power of the state must be checked against individual liberty.

What about grown adults who do not break any laws, such as the man in the video, and the numerous victims of police brutality, false allegations, violations of due process, planted evidence, etc?https://www.justice.gov/archive/ll/highlights.htm

No it’s provide defense against anyone who disobeys the laws as presented and enforced by the mass consensus.

If the majority of us think killing is wrong, we make a law saying you can’t do that, and then hire enforcers to enforce the law via threat of assured punishment, then that’s the law and if you break it you are no longer welcome and we confine you to a jail cell or extradite out of the country.

If you don’t obey the law you’re out. Not welcome, no rights.

As per the majority rule agreeing that killing is wrong or that set rule is law.

That’s the setup, if you don’t agree you’re welcome to leave the country or convince the majority and lawmakers that your idea is a smart one and have a good reason to change one law or another.

But the majority wants peace not anarchy so the only option is to obey the law or go to jail.

If you don’t want anyone to have power over you go find N island somewhere.

Otherwise submit to reasonable authority of the greatest most fair laws in any country on earth.

you should also need some sort of degree to become a cop. srs

******* power tripping cop. Gives a bad name to the officers who (properly and fairly) enforce the law and genuinely want to make a change for the better.

This

It's actually a requirement for new officers in the UK after 2020, at least I remember reading that

You are literally bat**** retarded. You literally just said what I already wrote, which was laws are REACTIVE not proactive. Yes commit a crime, and if you are found guilty you go to jail. Its not well I think you committed a crime and have no proof you did, but for the good of 'the country' youre going to jail anyway. Or AKA in this situation, I dont have proof you dont 'belong here' so im going to harrass you (this ****head cop, and the citizen in video).

Also you dont lose youre rights in jail moron. Not all of them at least, thats not the point of jail/prison. Also citizens dont get 'banished' or extradited out, dont know what ultra authoritarian fantasy you live in.

Sounds like you would be right at home in any socialist country comrade.

P.S. No one is saying there shouldn't be any cops. So calm down with your bull****. More untrained, and poorly educated cops and the further militarization of cops, along with the erosion of our civil rights = authoritarian police state.

Showing Id is right because that’s what keeps people from functioning under the radar of the law and doing shady things.

Criminals have too many loopholes already we need to close some of them.

Not having ID or being known or not having a valid place of residence is how criminals thrive.

The less you can do without an ID the better because illegals are less comfortable operating under away from the eye of the law and it makes corruption less ideal.

Everyone should be open to share ID unless they are hiding illegality or criminal lifestyle or identity fraud or something. What would a peaceful person have against showing an ID.

And police are taught not to use their power to do so unless there’s valid cause to think they are dealing with people who don’t respect the law, again who technically aren’t really welcome to walk the streets of our society.

OK you are LEGITIMATELY retarded or trolling. Good to know either way done here with you.

When profiling goes wrong...

You aren't really smart enough to have this discussion tbh.


And quit with the frauding 7 yr old avi already.

Do you really want to live in a country where authorities can stop and ask you for papers at any time for any reason, and if you refuse, they can jail you? Good men died in Normandy so that this cancer wouldn't spread to the rest of the world. Here we are almost 80 years later, and we still haven't learned. Some people don't have a place of residence. What then? Illegal to be homeless? What is the link between that and crime? Most criminals are not homeless.

Illegal immigrants are a separate issue. I still would rather not have it where every nonwhite citizen is routinely questioned to prove his right to be here under suspicion of being illegal.

Forgive me for not having faith in police training, and instead choosing to err on the side of liberty as the authors of our constitution intended. Police who abuse their authority and openly threaten the liberty of law abiding citizens are not welcome to walk the streets of our society.