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There is a non-binary person who lives on my street and I used to socialise with regularly. But she was constantly playing the victims card. Her expectations of people were completely warped.

As someone who is misgendered on a daily basis, her outrage was sickening to me.
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Originally Posted By wincel
It's more like ur seeing the suicide as a threat. It's just they do it and not as a threat. Like they have feelings that make them want to do it. It's not about as it pertains to others. You're seeing it from a view of them trying to get sonething from you. IDK if that is the right way to see it. I am sure there are drama queens out there, but I think a lot of them straight up feel terrible. I mean can you imagine how you would feel if u felt like u were supposed to have a dick?

Borderlines need to be helpd still. Many of them do kill themselves. They shouldn't hold u hostage, but they do need therapy.

I do not think the suicidality is due to manipulation. I think it is a culmination of discrimination, ostracism, anxiety, and feeling downright uncomfortable in one's own body. I felt the same way about all those things and I'm not even trans. I get where they are coming from.
Whether it's a threat or an actual thing that happens, I don't have control over it. I've known lots of people over the years who had feelings that made them want to do things, and sometimes they did those things, and sometimes they didn't. It's awful and uncomfortable to talk about, it's very sad, but I still will not alter what's important to me.

Yeah, I've felt those things too. I know that this topic is important to you because you do care, I really do know that.
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Originally Posted By redraider86
Whether it's a threat or an actual thing that happens, I don't have control over it. I've known lots of people over the years who had feelings that made them want to do things, and sometimes they did those things, and sometimes they didn't. It's awful and uncomfortable to talk about, it's very sad, but I still will not alter what's important to me.

Yeah, I've felt those things too. I know that this topic is important to you because you do care, I really do know that.
There was a trans person in group therapy who talked about their struggles with depression and their feelings as well. I loled because they looked like a typical antifa sjw lesbian androgynoid but what (s)he said was really sad. She had attempted suixide and was very depressed because of how out of place she felt her whole life. Changed my whole outlook on trans issues.

I used to bash trannies on here all the time and post the dilation meme. I've since thought a lot more about it and my main pov is we don't understand what makes ppl trans. It could be there are good trans and there are pervs who pretend to be trans. There could be a lot going on. I just think doctors do the best they can with what they know. If we knew how to cure being trans, we would do it. The psychotherapy attempts at converting gender or sexual orientation have never worked, and some studies have even shown them tk be harmful.

I understand the need to keep women safe and the controversy over sports and prisons. And I honestly dunno great solutions for this, and I can understand banning or segregating them in these areas, but I know that the evidence says the surgeries and hormones actually help more than they hurt. That was a hard pill for me to swallow when I first learned about it, but I now think my city was on the right side of history for doing transgender/neutral bathrooms and emphasizing inclusion of lgbt ppl where possible.

There are still srs ethical questions to be asked about whether the surgeries are appropriate for kids or if we should keep finding more about the brain differences and see if we can treat the differences, etc. There are a lot of unanswered questions about these ppl, but I do not want to see them oppressed and killed or driven to suicide if possible. I would like to find a way where everyone can coexist.
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Originally Posted By redraider86
Whether it's a threat or an actual thing that happens, I don't have control over it. I've known lots of people over the years who had feelings that made them want to do things, and sometimes they did those things, and sometimes they didn't. It's awful and uncomfortable to talk about, it's very sad, but I still will not alter what's important to me.

Yeah, I've felt those things too. I know that this topic is important to you because you do care, I really do know that.
Misogyny will always exist. We were stupid to think that men would just let us have any sort of place in this world that they were excluded from.

The battle for women's safety, privacy and dignity away from men's prying eyes is a fight that we will always be waging, it seems.

Misogyny will not just disappear, it will just wear another face. This is just another struggle... I wonder what they will try when this ideology finally falls?
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat
You wouldn't know if a woman was infertile until you had been trying and failing to conceive for a while... So you will only realistically be eliminating transwomen from your dating pool in that case.... That's pretty transphobic
lmao, got em'
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Misogyny will always exist. We were stupid to think that men would just let us have any sort of place in this world that they were excluded from.
Men march off to war in the millions to protect their women and children at home, men historically have been the providers and supported their families with single income. Men love women, having male traits is not misogynistic.
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Originally Posted By Devils
lmao, got em'



Men march off to war in the millions to protect their women and children at home, men historically have been the providers and supported their families with single income. Men love women, having male traits is not misogynistic.
Most men aren't but boys like Wincel are.

Women were oppressed first and foremost because of their biology, as the carriers of children and the weaker sex.

Wincel wants to erase that and claim being a woman is just a feeling or a costume. Which spits in the face of every woman who was and is still being oppressed, by saying that they basically identified into it. That is the misogyny, not men being men.

I love men, I think men are wonderful... Men who want to rip apart women's rights though, are a whole other breed. I bet their great nana's would be turning in their graves.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat
Most men aren't but boys like Wincel are.

Women were oppressed first and foremost because of their biology, as the carriers of children and the weaker sex.

Wincel wants to erase that and claim being a woman is just a feeling or a costume. Which spits in the face of every woman who was and is still being oppressed, by saying that they basically identified into it. That is the misogyny, not men being men.

I love men, I think men are wonderful... Men who want to rip apart women's rights though, are a whole other breed. I bet their great nana's would be turning in their graves.
I do not, and you're strawmanning me. It's incredibly ridiculous how bitter your hate is and how defensive you are about this. I was fair to you, but you keep talking chit so stfu u dumb kunt and go fist urself.

I'm over your chit, bitch.

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It's tough for a lot of doctors to know where to send patient's who could be experiencing gender dysphoria. The problem is, any doctor/therapist who is specializing in these areas... what do you think their baseline bias is? It's obviously going to be supporting transitioning for 95% of them, by virtue of who would pursue it as a specialty otherwise... someone who is unbiased and wants to do the right thing for the child? There's about 1000 other things that doctor can do to make money. So by referring to someone with an interest in these areas, you really are just committing them to a certain fate regardless.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat
Most men aren't but boys like Wincel are.

Women were oppressed first and foremost because of their biology, as the carriers of children and the weaker sex.
Wincel wants to erase that and claim being a woman is just a feeling or a costume. Which spits in the face of every woman who was and is still being oppressed, by saying that they basically identified into it. That is the misogyny, not men being men.
I love men, I think men are wonderful... Men who want to rip apart women's rights though, are a whole other breed. I bet their great nana's would be turning in their graves.
Oppressed no, protected yes. All through our evolution and culture women had value and were fought over, this is true in the animal kingdom as well. I think you are confusing oppression and rights with natural law. Modern human rights is an brief experiment in human history, for thousands of years the only right was for those that had the strength to survive or to fight.

It is studied that women are happier overall when their needs are met, having shelter, a family and being provided for.

Feminism was created to undermine women and men, not benefit them.
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Originally Posted By wincel
I do not, and you're strawmanning me. It's incredibly ridiculous how bitter your hate is and how defensive you are about this. I was fair to you, but you keep talking chit so stfu u dumb kunt and go fist urself.

I'm over your chit, bitch.

Buh Bye honey!

Don't forget to wash those bed sheets, they must be awfully salty by now.
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Originally Posted By Devils
Oppressed no, protected yes. All through our evolution and culture women had value and were fought over, this is true in the animal kingdom as well. I think you are confusing oppression and rights with natural law. Modern human rights is an brief experiment in human history, for thousands of years the only right was for those that had the strength to survive or to fight.

It is studied that women are happier overall when their needs are met, having shelter, a family and being provided for.

Feminism was created to undermine women and men, not benefit them.
That's fine but we and any ancestors we have ever met have been living in this modern culture. So that is obviously what I am referring to.

Modern culture did not protect women for free, it protected them at a cost of complete reliance on men.

Even now, Afghan women are not allowed to use their name or be introduced by name in public.... that is not protection, that is control.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat
That's fine but we and any ancestors we have ever met have been living in this modern culture. So that is obviously what I am referring to.
Modern culture did not protect women for free, it protected them at a cost of complete reliance on men.
Even now, Afghan women are not allowed to use their name or be introduced by name in public.... that is not protection, that is control.
Face it, women ARE reliant on men, the same as men must rely on women. It's sympathetic relationship. This is widely researched that children suffer all kinds of developmental and psychological problems if they do not have both parents to raise them. Afghan culture, although backwards by our standards, is the culture that has had the strength to survive. If it did not work, it will soon be apparent.
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Originally Posted By Devils
Face it, women ARE reliant on men, the same as men must rely on women. It's sympathetic relationship. This is widely researched that children suffer all kinds of developmental and psychological problems if they do not have both parents to raise them. Afghan culture, although backwards by our standards, is the culture that has had the strength to survive. If it did not work, it will soon be apparent.
Absolutely not disagreeing with that btw... but just a gentle reminder that there is a difference between reliance and dominion. One should not wish to dominate and control the other. Luckily in modern times that has mostly evened out, but it wasn’t even before. And it still is not in certain places.
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<---Politically Independent so do what you want as long as it doesnt hurt anyone, isnt illegal and is morally/ethically sound buuuuuuuuuuut.....I dont understand why gender dysphoria is the only mental disorder that is catered to and allowed to flourish. Let's say I have bigorexia and I seek help. Will an MD write scripts for AAS' and a psychologist teach help me manage the anxiety and side effects that come with their use? Abso-fukking-lutely not.


And WTF at cutting your dink off or cutting skin off your forearm to make a fake dink. What quack doctor would ok this? A feaux-gina is literally a gash carved into the pelvis. It doesnt clean itself, it doesnt have any feeling, it doesnt provide its own lubrication. It's literally there to make the personlooklike a female. There isnt a single doctor in the world who would amputate someone's arm or leg because the person has Apotemnophilia (strong desire to amputate a limb) and would still remain a licensed practitioner.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat
Misogyny will always exist. We were stupid to think that men would just let us have any sort of place in this world that they were excluded from.

The battle for women's safety, privacy and dignity away from men's prying eyes is a fight that we will always be waging, it seems.

Misogyny will not just disappear, it will just wear another face. This is just another struggle... I wonder what they will try when this ideology finally falls?
I wish people would understand that. There was a post here a few weeks ago by a guy wondering aloud if women knew how much the average man despised them - the refreshing honesty stuck with me. I think a lot of women are clueless.

Obviously hypothesizing here, but I'm guessing the next issue will center around reproduction entitlement. Probably not Gilead extremes, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's something around surrogacy demands or if there's some batchit campaign around organ donation.
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Originally Posted By redraider86
I wish people would understand that. There was a post here a few weeks ago by a guy wondering aloud if women knew how much the average man despised them - the refreshing honesty stuck with me. I think a lot of women are clueless.

Obviously hypothesizing here, but I'm guessing the next issue will center around reproduction entitlement. Probably not Gilead extremes, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's something around surrogacy demands or if there's some batchit campaign around organ donation.
Agreed, I respect the men that just admit they despise women. At least you know where you stand with an old school sexist. He wants you in the ktchen, rearing children. That is fine. I can accept that way of thinking. In some ways, I can kind of agree.
These new age “liberal” men though. They don’t want even want women to exist as their own distinct category, they don’t want women to be able to define themselves, to meet/organise themselves, to compete safely or fairly in sport, to have safe havens and refuges without male presence.... That goes so much further than just thinking women are inferior. That is woman domination and then erasion.

So, cool story... In the Uk, we have now gone to an “opt-in” approach to organ donation. There is some woolly information regarding whats included and you can choose to opt out of certain bits and pieces... the reproductive organs and tissues however is a bit of a grey area with differing information everywhere.

There is talk that it would be... unethical to only offer wombs, uteruses, vaginas etc to natal women and not transwomen... So you might not be too far off with that... and other women have had the same thoughts. The only way we can be completely sure that our organs are not going to be offered up on a silver platter for experimental surgeries is too entirely opt-out of organ donation. Which a staggering amount of us have had no choice but to do, until the rules/restrictions are made clearer.

First they take our appearance, then they take our definition, then they take our spaces, maybe soon they take our sex/reproductive organs......

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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat
Agreed, I respect the men that just admit they despise women. At least you know where you stand with an old school sexist. He wants you in the ktchen, rearing children. That is fine. I can accept that way of thinking. In some ways, I can kind of agree.
These new age “liberal” men though. They don’t want even want women to exist as their own distinct category, they don’t want women to be able to define themselves, to meet/organise themselves, to compete safely or fairly in sport, to have safe havens and refuges without male presence.... That goes so much further than just thinking women are inferior. That is woman domination and then erasion.

So, cool story... In the Uk, we have now gone to an “opt-in” approach to organ donation. There is some woolly information regarding whats included and you can choose to opt out of certain bits and pieces... the reproductive organs and tissues however is a bit of a grey area with differing information everywhere.

There is talk that it would be... unethical to only offer wombs, uteruses, vaginas etc to natal women and not transwomen... So you might not be too far off with that... and other women have had the same thoughts. The only way we can be completely sure that our organs are not going to be offered up on a silver platter for experimental surgeries is too entirely opt-out of organ donation. Which a staggering amount of us have had no choice but to do, until the rules/restrictions are made clearer.

First they take our appearance, then they take our definition, then they take our spaces, maybe soon they take our sex/reproductive organs......

Give us your ovaries bigot!!! Why wouldn't you want a biological child of yours to be birthed by a male after you die...

You haven't even thought about the most disturbing possibility that's coming. Women who don't want children and request a hysterectomy will be given one without question, which would be considered a step forward by a lot of women, but their lady parts will go to experimental surgeries like this. A true dystopian hellscape coming to the UK in 2030 and the US in 2050 unless the trajectory changes
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Afghan culture, although backwards by our standards, is the culture that has had the strength to survive. If it did not work, it will soon be apparent.
how so?
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat
Agreed, I respect the men that just admit they despise women. At least you know where you stand with an old school sexist. He wants you in the ktchen, rearing children. That is fine. I can accept that way of thinking. In some ways, I can kind of agree.
These new age “liberal” men though. They don’t want even want women to exist as their own distinct category, they don’t want women to be able to define themselves, to meet/organise themselves, to compete safely or fairly in sport, to have safe havens and refuges without male presence.... That goes so much further than just thinking women are inferior. That is woman domination and then erasion.
Dworkin can be a liiiiiiiiiiittle on the extreme side of things but she was spot on in Right-Wing Women, which I cannot recommend highly enough.

"Right-wing women have surveyed the world: they find it a dangerous place. ...They know too that the Left has nothing better to offer: leftist men also want wives and whores; leftist men value whores too much and wives too little. Right-wing women are not wrong. They fear that the Left, in stressing impersonal sex and promiscuity as values, will make them more vulnerable to male sexual aggression, and that they will be despised for not liking it. They are not wrong."
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Give us your ovaries bigot!!! Why wouldn't you want a biological child of yours to be birthed by a male after you die...

You haven't even thought about the most disturbing possibility that's coming. Women who don't want children and request a hysterectomy will be given one without question, which would be considered a step forward by a lot of women, but their lady parts will go to experimental surgeries like this. A true dystopian hellscape coming to the UK in 2030 and the US in 2050 unless the trajectory changes
Pretty morbid, isn’t it? Hopefully the world wakes up before too much damage is done to women and the confused/gay people this ideology targets.
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Dworkin can be a liiiiiiiiiiittle on the extreme side of things but she was spot on in Right-Wing Women, which I cannot recommend highly enough.

"Right-wing women have surveyed the world: they find it a dangerous place. ...They know too that the Left has nothing better to offer: leftist men also want wives and whores; leftist men value whores too much and wives too little. Right-wing women are not wrong. They fear that the Left, in stressing impersonal sex and promiscuity as values, will make them more vulnerable to male sexual aggression, and that they will be despised for not liking it. They are not wrong."
Thank you for the recommendation, I have downloaded it to my kindle for some bed time reading.I agree with the distrust of the Left, it was a hard-pill to swallow because I had always been a UK labour supporter, always thought the Left was on women’s side... But when I cast a critical eye over what they are really trying to achieve, I realised that I was metaphorically creating my own noose, and also a noose for my sisters, my nieces and any woman who just wants to exist in peace in this world. I can’t in good conscience roll over and allow that.

May I suggest “Invisible Women” by Caroline Perez? It’s pretty essential reading so you may have already read it though. Thoroughly fascinating.
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Dworkin can be a liiiiiiiiiiittle on the extreme side of things but she was spot on in Right-Wing Women, which I cannot recommend highly enough.

"Right-wing women have surveyed the world: they find it a dangerous place. ...They know too that the Left has nothing better to offer: leftist men also want wives and whores; leftist men value whores too much and wives too little. Right-wing women are not wrong. They fear that the Left, in stressing impersonal sex and promiscuity as values, will make them more vulnerable to male sexual aggression, and that they will be despised for not liking it. They are not wrong."
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Just bumping this with an Oh dearie me, would you look at that. ^
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Originally Posted By wincel
Only cucks like whores. Regular men just like fukking them.Almost every man wants a loving, loyal, wife.
A growing number of men don't want that at all. A good marriage requires a level of trust and mutual respect that some people just can't give either because of past trauma or being jaded at what this world has become
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat
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Just bumping this with an Oh dearie me, would you look at that. ^
1 study was bad therefore let's ignore the 50+ studies on this showing it works. Ok.

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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat
Thank you for the recommendation, I have downloaded it to my kindle for some bed time reading.I agree with the distrust of the Left, it was a hard-pill to swallow because I had always been a UK labour supporter, always thought the Left was on women’s side... But when I cast a critical eye over what they are really trying to achieve, I realised that I was metaphorically creating my own noose, and also a noose for my sisters, my nieces and any woman who just wants to exist in peace in this world. I can’t in good conscience roll over and allow that.

May I suggest “Invisible Women” by Caroline Perez? It’s pretty essential reading so you may have already read it though. Thoroughly fascinating.
It was a mindfuk for me, too. Instead of taking a stance against these horrors, libfems fall all over themselves to center men, or claim that its empowering and virtuous and anyone who disagrees is an evil and prudish TERF/SWERF.

I've added Invisible Women to my GoodReads list - thank you!
Originally Posted By wincel
Only cucks like whores. Regular men just like fukking them. Almost every man wants a loving, loyal, wife.
Not exactly the point. Here's the full quote.

Spoiler!
“Right-wing women have surveyed the world: they find it a dangerous place. They see that work subjects them to more danger from more men; it increases the risk of sexual exploitation. They see that creativity and originality in their kind are ridiculed; they see women thrown out of the circle of male civilization for having ideas, plans, visions, ambitions. They see that traditional marriage means selling to one man, not hundreds: the better deal. They see that the streets are cold, and that the women on them are tired, sick, and bruised. They see that the money they can earn will not make them independent of men and that they will still have to play the sex games of their kind: at home and at work too. They see no way to make their bodies authentically their own and to survive in the world of men. They know too that the Left has nothing better to offer: leftist men also want wives and whores; leftist men value whores too much and wives too little. Right-wing women are not wrong. They fear that the Left, in stressing impersonal sex and promiscuity as values, will make them more vulnerable to male sexual aggression, and that they will be despised for not liking it. They are not wrong. Right-wing women see that within the system in which they live they cannot make their bodies their own, but they can agree to privatized male ownership: keep it one-on-one, as it were. They know that they are valued for their sex— their sex organs and their reproductive capacity—and so they try to up their value: through cooperation, manipulation, conformity; through displays of affection or attempts at friendship; through submission and obedience; and especially through the use of euphemism—“femininity, ” “total woman, ” “good, ” “maternal instinct, ” “motherly love. ” Their desperation is quiet; they hide their bruises of body and heart; they dress carefully and have good manners; they suffer, they love God, they follow the rules. They see that intelligence displayed in a woman is a flaw, that intelligence realized in a woman is a crime. They see the world they live in and they are not wrong. They use sex and babies to stay valuable because they need a home, food, clothing. They use the traditional intelligence of the female—animal, not human: they do what they have to to survive.”


TL;DR: Right wingers view women as private property, while left wingers view women as public property.

It's sort of like in that thread about OnlyFans, where some of the most vile and misogynistic miscers were suddenly saying that a woman would be respected if only she had a real career. Sure Jan.
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Give us your ovaries bigot!!! Why wouldn't you want a biological child of yours to be birthed by a male after you die...

You haven't even thought about the most disturbing possibility that's coming. Women who don't want children and request a hysterectomy will be given one without question, which would be considered a step forward by a lot of women, but their lady parts will go to experimental surgeries like this. A true dystopian hellscape coming to the UK in 2030 and the US in 2050 unless the trajectory changes
I've noodled on this quite a bit. I've been begging for a hysterectomy for years for actual health reasons - the fact that I don't want kids is irrelevant. I've done everything they've asked, I risked Covid for a last ditch effort - and they're still all saying I might change my mind one day. I, a 33 year old professional adult woman, with no substance abuse, personality disorders or mental illness issues, who cannot leave my home for stretches of days every month because of my uterus, might change my mind. Okay.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat
Don't try and understand the logic of a catastrophic mental illness, you will only give yourself a headache.

They deserve our sympathy but our compliance to their delusions.
I only care about the pre-puberty kids that undergo hormone therapy and/or surgery.

The gap between "a kid has the right to have their genitals changed" and "a kid has the right to have their genitals touched" is horrifyingly small.

You know the argument is coming to the mainstream. When it does, I hope people have the balls to roll things back and make 16 the universal age of consent for transitioning.
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Originally Posted By redraider86
It was a mindfuk for me, too. Instead of taking a stance against these horrors, libfems fall all over themselves to center men, or claim that its empowering and virtuous and anyone who disagrees is an evil and prudish TERF/SWERF.

I've added Invisible Women to my GoodReads list - thank you!

TL;DR: Right wingers view women as private property, while left wingers view women as public property.

It's sort of like in that thread about OnlyFans, where some of the most vile and misogynistic miscers were suddenly saying that a woman would be respected if only she had a real career. Sure Jan.


I've noodled on this quite a bit. I've been begging for a hysterectomy for years for actual health reasons - the fact that I don't want kids is irrelevant. I've done everything they've asked, I risked Covid for a last ditch effort - and they're still all saying I might change my mind one day. I, a 33 year old professional adult woman, with no substance abuse, personality disorders or mental illness issues, who cannot leave my home for stretches of days every month because of my uterus, might change my mind. Okay.
That quote (bolded) really resonates with me. Obviously neither is ideal but yeah... People do tend to try to look after private property, and we all know how liberal men treat real women. It’s a sad state of affairs.

But yeah, Invisible Woman concentrates on how society is built for male bodies, things like seat belts, PPE etc and how it endangers women. How medical studies still primarily focus on affects on males and just assume medication will work the same on females... which has been proven to be very dangerous thinking with devastating consequences.

I was able to get my tubes tied a few years back. I was lucky though. I had been doctor shopping for about 3 years! I was due to get my hormonal IUD out and they asked me what my plans were for either a replacement or another form of birth control. I told him I wanted a non-hormonal solution as I wanted to know whether it was the hormones or the herbs I was taking that had caused my periods to stop... Obviously he was like “ummmm what do you mean?”. So I explained that I have been ingesting a concoction of plants that are known to cause infertility. Certain plants (like jack-in-the-pulpit) are said to act as a birth control and long term use will render someone sterile... so-called “Herbal Sterilisation”.... (it’s just complete folk law tbh. Actually western studies have shown some of these plants to be mildly poisonous).... I said I that I needed to know whether I could finally stop taking these plants as they were giving me headaches and making me feel constantly lethargic but I couldn’t be sure until I could check that my periods had permanently stopped and hormonal contraceptives might interfere with that.

He tried to talk me out of whatever unlicensed “alternative medicine” I was taking. I point-blank refused and said that as long as I think that there is even a 1% chance of getting pregnant then I can’t stop. He tried the IUD spiel, I readily agreed to another one, he asked me if I was done with the herbal remedies. I told him absolutely not as I wanted a permanent solution.
i got offered tubal ligation that appointment and it was scheduled for about 6 months later. Best thing ever!

Trying to be reasonable never worked. They always just thought I was too young, that I might change my mind. So I decided that if being reasonable wasn’t going to work, then I would be crazy and unreasonable. Worked like a charm though.

Not condoning it, but desperate times and all that. I think I scared the poor bloke lol.
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This song sums it up the current state of affairs tbh lol

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Originally Posted By redraider86
It was a mindfuk for me, too. Instead of taking a stance against these horrors, libfems fall all over themselves to center men, or claim that its empowering and virtuous and anyone who disagrees is an evil and prudish TERF/SWERF.

I've added Invisible Women to my GoodReads list - thank you!


Not exactly the point. Here's the full quote.

Spoiler!
“Right-wing women have surveyed the world: they find it a dangerous place. They see that work subjects them to more danger from more men; it increases the risk of sexual exploitation. They see that creativity and originality in their kind are ridiculed; they see women thrown out of the circle of male civilization for having ideas, plans, visions, ambitions. They see that traditional marriage means selling to one man, not hundreds: the better deal. They see that the streets are cold, and that the women on them are tired, sick, and bruised. They see that the money they can earn will not make them independent of men and that they will still have to play the sex games of their kind: at home and at work too. They see no way to make their bodies authentically their own and to survive in the world of men. They know too that the Left has nothing better to offer: leftist men also want wives and whores; leftist men value whores too much and wives too little. Right-wing women are not wrong. They fear that the Left, in stressing impersonal sex and promiscuity as values, will make them more vulnerable to male sexual aggression, and that they will be despised for not liking it. They are not wrong. Right-wing women see that within the system in which they live they cannot make their bodies their own, but they can agree to privatized male ownership: keep it one-on-one, as it were. They know that they are valued for their sex— their sex organs and their reproductive capacity—and so they try to up their value: through cooperation, manipulation, conformity; through displays of affection or attempts at friendship; through submission and obedience; and especially through the use of euphemism—“femininity, ” “total woman, ” “good, ” “maternal instinct, ” “motherly love. ” Their desperation is quiet; they hide their bruises of body and heart; they dress carefully and have good manners; they suffer, they love God, they follow the rules. They see that intelligence displayed in a woman is a flaw, that intelligence realized in a woman is a crime. They see the world they live in and they are not wrong. They use sex and babies to stay valuable because they need a home, food, clothing. They use the traditional intelligence of the female—animal, not human: they do what they have to to survive.”


TL;DR: Right wingers view women as private property, while left wingers view women as public property.

It's sort of like in that thread about OnlyFans, where some of the most vile and misogynistic miscers were suddenly saying that a woman would be respected if only she had a real career. Sure Jan.


I've noodled on this quite a bit. I've been begging for a hysterectomy for years for actual health reasons - the fact that I don't want kids is irrelevant. I've done everything they've asked, I risked Covid for a last ditch effort - and they're still all saying I might change my mind one day. I, a 33 year old professional adult woman, with no substance abuse, personality disorders or mental illness issues, who cannot leave my home for stretches of days every month because of my uterus, might change my mind. Okay.
I would think ppl view each other as property indirectly. IE "MY wife" and "MY husband". Each gives their heart to the other and owns the other. Each voluntarily gives up some autonomy to the other. That is why a wife is "your other half".

Most men want wives who cook, clean, and basically mom for them, and most women want husbands who earn, protect, and basically dad for them. That's just how things are. It doesn't mean women should literally be slaves or property. But a wife is inherently enslaved by her husband and a husband is inherently enslaved by his wife. That's a marriage.
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Originally Posted By redraider86
I've noodled on this quite a bit. I've been begging for a hysterectomy for years for actual health reasons - the fact that I don't want kids is irrelevant. I've done everything they've asked, I risked Covid for a last ditch effort - and they're still all saying I might change my mind one day. I, a 33 year old professional adult woman, with no substance abuse, personality disorders or mental illness issues, who cannot leave my home for stretches of days every month because of my uterus, might change my mind. Okay.
wtf i thought you were old. one of my wifes docs was ready to cut all her chiit out, no questions asked lol. she didnt even want a hysterectomy he was like "i can get that thing out if ur done w it"
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