Imagine literally believing in a fairy tale.

You're acting like the Bible isn't full of contradictions. How many times is the thou shall not murder violated (directly and indirectly) and encouraged by the OT God?Any religion can use a similar argument.

Fkn lol at this post.

Usually religious apologists at least attempt to explain the 'unheard gospel' problem away using some kind of ridiculous gymnastics, in order to salvage at least a tiny bit of benevolence in a God so he's not some insane cruel monster.

Deathstroke here just says 'fuk it, they're all screwed LOLZ'. Resulting in one of the most cruel/insane gods you can possibly imagine, enabling this world where people born, living, and dying utterly oblivious to any of this are then eternally tortured in hell. Remember: the only reason Deathstroke is saying this is because he wasnt born as one of those people. That's it, simple as that. If he was born as any of them, he'd be singing a completely different tune (actually no tune, as they arent aware of any of this. But he wouldnt be babbling about religion on a forum).

Without free will, which almost certainly doesnt exist, it's the same situation as the above, even for people who are aware of the religion. As there is no 'choice', whatever that means, to believe in it. So god is equally as cruel in such a scenario.

Remember....all the above is arguing 'in-world' (i.e., with the premise the religion and god is true). Unfortunately for people like Deathstroke, he is arguing a fantasy anyway, so none of this has a shred of meaning.Evidence for literally any of this?. His claims have as much merit as Joe's down the street who made up some religion about magical dinosaurs, where anyone who doesnt subscribe to it gets sent to eternal hell for punishment (too bad for people like Deathstroke. Thems the cards. Should have believed in that magical T-rex). Lucky for him though, Joes religion is just as unevidenced as his.

Not many . Mostly misinterpretations imo. Maybe before the commandments were laid out too. I know incest between close relatives was not outlawed until time of Moses Leviticus.

And those other religions aren’t going there though are they? *points down at the floor* they’re going to go to there when they die!

You rather I act all butthurt , angry, indignant, or stumped? The Bible literally says only way to god Is through Christ. Baptism. No baptism no Heaven. I mean why can’t they do their own research? Not going to take my word for it certainly not. I am not going to change minds or save any souls.

I appreciate aggressive evangelism but it’s not me.

God took my hair.

Not sure I can side with team God.

We talk about this all of the time in Bible Study.

And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, ‘Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night’.” (Revelation 12:9-10)

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.” (II Corinthians 11:13-15)

And they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.” (II Timothy 2:26)

Reread the last paragraph of my post- none of this has meaning as it's not evidenced. We are talking about which realm Yoda goes to after he dies in Star Wars. So with that out of the way,

Even in-world, you will find all kinds of explanations of the unheard gospel problem among Christians, some agreeing with you, many not, arguing tribes people go to heaven- and yet all using the same book. Almost as if there are different interpretations afoot, and it's not some clear fact that no one disagrees on, such as Texas is larger in area than Maryland (I was going to use the earth is round here, but remembered I'm posting on the misc smdh).

I mean there is no good in-world answer to the problem, but if you flesh out yours, it makes God into an absolute joke and makes him into some cruel monster (and contradicts the bible in several places where it describes God as just and righteous, etc).

The bible says a lot of things, including contradicting itself, history, and science. You are arguing about what a mere (flawed) ancient text says. This doesnt have meaning.

If you make a deal with Satan, you can get your hair back. Do you accept?

Hypothetical

Mere accusations. You have no evidence Satan is doing these things.

We can however make a very convincing argument that God doesn’t care about us.

We can also state with certainty that God sanctioned and ordered genocide. He did it directly himself too. He punishes those who never heard of him. He’s the root cause for imperfection. He also punished Eve for being deceived, so we can state categorically that his sense of justice and our sense of justice do not align.

Do you think it’s possible that Satan has some good points to be made if he managed to rally a third of all angels to his cause?

Just to play devi...err..God's advocate, Hitler rallied a third of Germans to his cause and uh...well I guess he had some good points on a handful of things but we still conclude he was a pretty chit dude because genocide and wars and whatnot...

Misc has become antisemitic, Satanic, incel, non-lifting, and extremely right-wing since the beginning of the pandemic

This thread proves it's no longer the innocent but dying, gay, Indian bodybuilding forum it once was

Don't forget Russian, comrade.

Not tending one's society, whether through ignorance or less innocent causes, does lead to more problems. You can follow the metaphor to see following a spirit of good intentions instead of antisocial rushes will make sense.

Right, but I suppose we don’t know the character of Satan. We do however know that Yahweh directly committed genocide, sanctioned ethnic cleansing, infanticide, slavery along with sex slaves. We know he’s unhinged in character, he even says he’s a jealous God and depending on the sect you’re in, he punishes finite sin with infinite torture.

So whatever Satan is, we have only one side of the story. The supposed “Good” side doesn’t appear to be love, or good, or anything close to that. He rewards drones. He doesn’t seem to care about us.
How does that relate to sex slaves and infanticide though. What lessons are we supposed to draw from that?

All very good points. But I will also add that Obama rewarded drones and didn't care about us either. Checkmate, Satanist.

I would agree, Satanic though? Not so much. As far as this thread is concerned, there really hasn’t been adequate justification for the insanity of Yahweh. I welcome you to try it though. It’s certainly an interesting exercise in empathy for your fellow man.Hehe

Why you a red all of a sudden btw?

I think social rituals make sense for values of anyone, no matter how rich, clever or otherwise. Call it a drone. The alternative is antisocial, which does not work.

Winner, spoils

I’m not really arguing about the social rules per se. I think structure is good, and there’s a lot of value in the good book.

The point of this thread though is to highlight the character of Yahweh and ultimately, how it’s in direct opposition to what a lot of Christians say “he” is.

Source?That's almost exactly how Roman Paganism was.

God created the Universe, the earth, the moon, and the stars allegedly. So what if he killed a few wicked people?

if you want to make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs

lmao @ quoting Stalin to support your "argument".

Right, of course God can do what he wants. We’re talking about whether he is “good” or “just”. The evidence points to no.

As for you claiming they’re wicked, does this include those that fit into the bracket of infanticide? How about all those directly drowned by God? Or the firstborns of Egypt after God hardens pharaoh’s heart to make a point?

This is wickedness. There’s no two ways about it. There really isn’t justification for this.

I wonder how different the West would have been if Platonism or Gnostcism had become the dominant religion

The Lord works in mysterious ways. Just because you can't comprehend god's actions doesn't make them wicked.

Also, maybe God isn't all good or all bad. If humans were made in God's likeness as the Bible says, surely that would have to be true that God isn't all good or all bad because no human is all good or all bad

I thought it was from Fight club

Well at least people wouldn't need to resort to all of these ridiculous mental gymnastics (like we're seeing in this thread) to justify the "Will of God" and all of that nonsense. There would be a far more sensible explanation of it. What was motivation for the Crusades against the Cathars, or killing Hypatia and burning the library of Alexandria anyway?

This is the best answer you can give. It’s beyond our understanding. Thank you.

It’s a poor answer, but the only one you can really give.

From a human perspective, which incidentally is the only perspective, I cannot see adequate justification for these acts. Even if it is somehow not wicked, I would need to understand why. And because he can’t give that answer to us, I’m totally cool calling it wicked and him unjust and unloving.