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Thread: Official Russia vs Ukraine Thread V- The winter is coming: A tale of stupid sanctions

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So much cope and defense of your masters.....fukkin vatniks
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Originally Posted By Muscle2021⏩
bad sign for Ukraine, most of their regular forces are likely destroyed
Yes and no. This isn't an indication.

Their best forces were/are Azov and Legion. There are some combat experienced troops peppered through the ranks that rotated through the donbas line over the years to deepen the maturity. However they may have been consolidated into their own battalions.

You'll see all kinds of forces mixed. The offensive took some serious casualties on the way in and there were herds of them. Getting on down from the bombers and in-range artillery was paramount to group/unit/individual survival. Between that and no opposition and the long distance tied with fuel logistics, you'll see an extremely mixed bag of units until they reorient in the coming days.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
You think Russia is the only country where civilians where military type uniforms? Here is US Admiral Levine of HHS




Shoigu was the head a group of what in our country would be the national guard. They are militarized but not within the Russian military. Russia has their own structure, but him wearing a uniform is not contrived or phony. Unless he is wearing badges for things he didnt earn, there is nothing wrong or unusual about it.
LOL terrorkunt is definitely a 350 pound lardass hammering away on his acer laptop daily 24/7

Only wishes he could be on the battlefield. Too bad they don't allow fatasses with psychological issues

Sigh. Fake US veterans ought to do a lil more Googling before making boisterous claims over an Indian bodybuilding forum
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Originally Posted By terrorgunt⏩
So much cope and defense of your masters.....fukkin vatniks
When terrortard gets called out on his dumassery he doubles down. You can't be working with a full deck.
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Originally Posted By terrorgunt⏩
LOw iQ.

Memecope devolving to ghostfacedup.

Making fun of your MOD isn't anger, fgt.
You're acting like a child to someone actually willing to have a conversation.

I'll caution you again with the accusations. You're starting to get out of hand again.
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
Really blows the mind at how the Kremlin crew thinks they are better prepared to deal with the challenges of winter than Ukraine backed by NATO (and donations from many, many other countries) with an unmolested Western border that backs right up to the EU.
I can say with high probability that compared to fall and winter Russian small drones cannot get IR through the thick acre dividers in the farmland though it is where most of where the casualties are taking place.

As of now, they have to drop massive amounts on long stretches of these woodlines. It is the ONLY way ukrain can advance and mitigate the bad situation. Essentially this will turn into open field advancement

I'm rather certain that there won't be much left of logistical means after more infrastructure blows that started.

Russians started fixed wing bombing today too. Not sure it's a thing but it's rare. I'll let you know.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
China isnt going to invade taiwan. Xi is playing the long game. At the rate the west is collapsing he will be able to absorb taiwan via diplomacy. If he jumps the gun and invades the entire world will respond. You'd see japan decide its time to militarize
True. I hope he sees it that way though. He may think there is no hope for peace with the west and that Taiwan will eventually become empowered to act as a bulwark against them, as we were planning with Ukraine.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
no one brought up his uniform, you did, with your little sperg session. Now you cant take the fact that your observation was retarded and are angerly lashing out. Im going to assume because of the time that you are half in the bottle. Grow the fuk up you idiot.
Lol, settle down Ivan

The vatnik app is on surge pricing tnite

Lol
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post 1667880723 09-14-2022, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
I'm not sure I why Ukraine even with NATO help would be any better than Russia in the winter. Seems like a strange assumption. Correct me if I'm wrong but if mud and cold slowed things down, would that not work in Russia's favor? Anytime the two sides stand and fight, Russia's superior firepower wins. Seems that Ukraine would be better served being able to withdrawal forces quickly.
Rail is the determanitive

Russia has a massive rail mobility unit.

No one believed me when Russian forces disappeared into Belarus from Kiev, dropped off half in Belgorod, and assumed logistics in the south and east. It took a manner of days.

Ukraine would hit a rail somewhere and it would be repaired near immediately.

Think about this. If your goal is to meet on the battlefield as much as they would send, wouldn't you want as many fixed there in the fall and winter?

I'd have to do some work and find an estimate of what they have there in place. Should be 50-100 in the capital and about the same south of, 50-100 in Kharkiv, unknown on front and holding untaken or challenged towns and cities.
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I thought the war had stalemated, but with this counteroffensive, it will go on for quite some time. Ukraine will be emboldened by their momentum. They won't want any settlement.
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Originally Posted By vatn1k⏩
I thought the war had stalemated, but with this counteroffensive, it will go on for quite some time. Ukraine will be emboldened by their momentum. They won't want any settlement.
The counteroffensive is not over.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
The counteroffensive is not over.
Ukraine about to drop some more CGI ala: Ghost of Kyiv, Miss Ukraine Airsoft Sniper, Old Man shoots down MIG with shotgun..etc for the sheep?

FYI for all those that forgot.......It took the US 20 years to tuck tail and run despite all our "victories" in Iraq and A'stan...But I guess that makes me a paid Russian shill...
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
The counteroffensive is not over.
I meant the war will go on due to the counteroffensive emboldening Ukraine. Didn't mean to imply anything was over.
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Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
Ukraine about to drop some more CGI ala: Ghost of Kyiv, Miss Ukraine Airsoft Sniper, Old Man shoots down MIG with shotgun..etc for the sheep?

FYI for all those that forgot.......It took the US 20 years to tuck tail and run despite all our "victories" in Iraq and A'stan...But I guess that makes me a paid Russian shill...
That was different though. The war actually ended very quickly, but we stuck around and tried to nation build.

The military victory happened very quickly.
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Originally Posted By vatn1k⏩
That was different though. The war actually ended very quickly, but we stuck around and tried to nation build.

The military victory happened very quickly.
Lol...Ok....Just like how we were winning Vietnam...but....
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Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
Lol...Ok....Just like how we were winning Vietnam...but....
Ukraine is russias vietnam
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https://english.nv.ua/nation/ukraini...-50269993.html
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
Ukraine is russias vietnam
It very well may be. That isn't the point. The point is, all of these strategic experts on Misc talking about kicking commie ass (even though none of them can be phucked to actually join the foreign volunteers there.) and how Russia is toast after a year.

But then totally ignoring how the US bled blood and treasure for 20 plus years against guys wearing sheets, and armed with AKs.


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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
Ukraine is russias vietnam
A better analogy is: Ukraine is to Russia as Afghanistan was to the USSR

When the oil prices start to drop dramatically then hold yer horses because it's all over but the fat lady


but a lot of comparisons can be made with Vietnam as well.
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This is more like the Cuban missile crisis meets Adolf Hitler.
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Originally Posted By vatn1k⏩
This is more like the Cuban missile crisis meets Adolf Hitler.
Ehhh...Zelensky isn't really Hitler.....but he's close.
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Lmao wincel talking to himself
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lol@ stupid Americans thinking a counter offensive means Ukraine will win.

This war will result in Ukraine losing and the US.

The US is done.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Yes and no. This isn't an indication.

Their best forces were/are Azov and Legion. There are some combat experienced troops peppered through the ranks that rotated through the donbas line over the years to deepen the maturity. However they may have been consolidated into their own battalions.

You'll see all kinds of forces mixed. The offensive took some serious casualties on the way in and there were herds of them. Getting on down from the bombers and in-range artillery was paramount to group/unit/individual survival. Between that and no opposition and the long distance tied with fuel logistics, you'll see an extremely mixed bag of units until they reorient in the coming days.
According to scott ritter ukraine managed to pull their real soldiers out months ago to be trained in europe which is why the front line has been these untrained territorial guard types. Thats how much planning they put into this offensive and all they got for it so far is kharkov and a lot of dead ukrainians
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...used-by-russia

Iranian drones are going to chew up the NATO forces.

Time for ASmericans to pay for their aggresion against Iran.
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Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
Ukraine about to drop some more CGI ala: Ghost of Kyiv, Miss Ukraine Airsoft Sniper, Old Man shoots down MIG with shotgun..etc for the sheep?

FYI for all those that forgot.......It took the US 20 years to tuck tail and run despite all our "victories" in Iraq and A'stan...But I guess that makes me a paid Russian shill...
This is nowhere the same to compare. An occupation and big arrow warfare with a transition to an active battle line reminiscent of WW1. Is neither the scope of the entry and occupation of either war in the 2000s.

If we were talking Gulf War 1 big arrow pinning and swath grabbing with joint combat, sure we can do some limited comparison with MEU actions.

But no. Not the same. At all.
Originally Posted By vatn1k⏩
I meant the war will go on due to the counteroffensive emboldening Ukraine. Didn't mean to imply anything was over.
The war will go on regardless of further or repulsed counteroffensive action.

The word you were looking for was culminated as in the counteroffensive that took Kharkov is still ongoing in an effort to break a line towards Mariupol, ZPP, and others. Other smaller efforts are likely done and ended tragically. The rest are slipping away with rising water.
Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
It very well may be. That isn't the point. The point is, all of these strategic experts on Misc talking about kicking commie ass (even though none of them can be phucked to actually join the foreign volunteers there.) and how Russia is toast after a year.

But then totally ignoring how the US bled blood and treasure for 20 plus years against guys wearing sheets, and armed with AKs.


tHat's DifFereNt tHoUgh!
Your political opinion has nothing to do with our fights in either war in comparison to this one. Yes we had a poor withdrawal in Afghanistan. Yes we nation built in both. Yes we were successful in Iraqs nation building and not in Afghanistan. We absolutely trashed opponents there in either case. KIA was a 1:10 ratio in both.
Originally Posted By LukeLissen⏩
A better analogy is: Ukraine is to Russia as Afghanistan was to the USSR

When the oil prices start to drop dramatically then hold yer horses because it's all over but the fat lady



but a lot of comparisons can be made with Vietnam as well.
No. You can draw broad comparisons with weapon support but it's paralleled with lend lease the Brits enjoyed in WW2.

Artillery rounds are the lb for lb cost of 70/30 hamburger meat and is carrying the war. Yes. Ukraine will have to expend 20% less energy, the US has to have unlimited strategic reserves, & OPEC has to not restrict output (oct marks the day 100k a day restrict to reorient the price upward).

I'll say it again. The only way to kill Russia off is to greenlight oil and gas production permanently and massively to cut Russia out.
Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
Ehhh...Zelensky isn't really Hitler.....but he's close.
No he's not but the he is guilty of allowing Azov in militarily and politically, or remaining rather.
Originally Posted By terrorgunt⏩
Lmao wincel talking to himself
ironing as the same type of post echoes in the ether
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
According to scott ritter ukraine managed to pull their real soldiers out months ago to be trained in europe which is why the front line has been these untrained territorial guard types. Thats how much planning they put into this offensive and all they got for it so far is kharkov and a lot of dead ukrainians
There is some confusion about this. There is train to trainer. Operator training. Operational leadership for command and control etc which are smaller and faster turn around and then there is what I suspect massive amounts of recruit training occurring. I think the early Russian warnings made sense to the recipient training bats.

I'm still amazed dignitaries come and visit.

Both of these scumbag countries blame one another for atrocities, shelling, and false flags.

Eta but I think existing remaining mil are now senior leaders pushing new forces forward. How could they not just off of natural rotation?
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