Crazy chit

Massive lawsuit coming, this will change the building management and fire safety industries worldwide

I know it sounds stupid, but if you have to live in a high rise, always stock parachutes for your family. srs.
Would saved many lives in the WTC buildings, and guaranteed more people here would've survived because of it.

I know it sounds stupid, but if you have to live in a high rise, always stock parachutes for your family. srs.
Would saved many lives in the WTC buildings, and guaranteed more people here would've survived because of it.

Apparently one of the residents that was interviewed said that his neighbour had confessed to him that his fridge exploded right before the fire. Just rumours at this point, but it wouldn't surprise me. Last year a block caught fire quite close by because of a faulty washer/dryer (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37203933).

These council blocks are definitely not built with fire safety in mind. That's the tragedy here.

lmao Im pretty sure that building is too short for a parachute to work. Most parachutes take 600 feet to 1200 feet of free fall to open. 600 feet is equivalent to a 55 story building.

Faulty washer/dryer or is it the piping that is all clogged up? I know some cities/insurance companies have rules about having the ducting cleaned every couple of years. My dad had a business cleaning the ducting for dryers and it was scary what we would see. No air flow at all.... people not realizing they actually needed to clean the lint trap in the dryer.... we actually had one place we went to because the tenant had complained the dryer wasnt working. When we got there we opened the dryer and the lint trap was solid packed and had actually caught on fire at one point but somehow actually went out on its own.

That says only 6 dead so far, I was expecting the number to be more like 200-300 considering the building has 600+ and the fire procedure was for everyone to stay in their apartments.

So in a situation like this, do you think it would it be viable option to turn on your taps/plug the drains? Flooding your apartment.

Expected to rise though, and 20+ in critical condition, 6 out of several 100 potentials is phenomenal though, hopefully the death toll remains considerably low.

Exploding fridge. I am serious, that was the cause of the fire.

Which the irony is strong today. Most of the people that live there are muslim. Which has more irony. Muslims on twitter are laughing at the fire happening. I guess assuming it's full of a non-muslims.

That says only 6 dead so far, I was expecting the number to be more like 200-300 considering the building has 600+ and the fire procedure was for everyone to stay in their apartments.

They need to go after the company/companies that are making that cladding. There has been a few fires the last couple years where the whole building went up like that and its either been newer construction or recently been redone on the outside. I was reading on reddit that there have been claims that management has been saying that they were told the cladding was fireproof. They found out after the fact that it in fact was not. If I owned a building and have it in writing somewhere that the cladding I paid for was fireproof I'd start testing.
I'm not saying that rumor is totally true but if it is someone needs to be held responsible.

I've been inside these types of tower blocks several times. They're a left over from the old Thatcher era where most of them were built starting from the 50s right through to the 70s and they're a symbol of sink estates and council areas on any town and city skyline.

They are still associated with Local Authority but managed through private firms who act as the landlord and look after it. If the council needs to shove someone in somewhere they call these guys.

Cheap, quickly built and updated since the early 2000s with external cladding and updating of entry areas - to make it nicer.

What they couldn't do is change the claustophobic feel of them because they're built on the cheap and any additional space needed would have meant more steel, concrete and man hours to build them. Might seem stingy but over an entire block you're talking many metres of steel and cubic metres of concrete so they said "**** it, that'll do!"

This translates to absolute carnage if the corridors and stairswells are used as evacuation points. Remember, the most vulnerable people in a town and city can live here which include the elderly, single mothers, old people and disabled. To get around this they made sure to have dry risers on every point at both ends of the building and adequate fire evacuation measures.

Looks like the fire evac was useless and this caused the carnage. Imagine a corridor 1.5metres wide. Push 20 people down it in a hurry and you'll see some hurt or frustrated and then you have the stair wells.

Now imagine those corridors full of black, choking smoke which can knock you unconcious if you breath in too much. Some residents were saying the plastic cladding was producing horrific smoke which could be toxic - an even bigger killer. The cladding is fire resistant, not fire proof I'm betting because the concrete external surface is all thats left.

The lifts for these buildings are claustophobic too. Lift cars are no bigger than 1.5m in depth and around that in width. heightwise they're around 2m. They are slow and won't work during a fire.

The smoke and fire raced through the building as a result of the ducting and old gas pipes installed when first built. Not sure about the gas pipes but they were probably removing them as flats in the UK are not allowed gas due to safety measures and a major incident in the 80s which resulted in several flats collapsing.

These ducts and vents would have decades worth of dust, rubbish and other crap along with the rubbish and flammable items installed or placed around. Which in itself is against Health & Safety guidelines.

This management company will get pulled up on criminal negligence and people need to see prison time.


Also these buildings were loaded with asbestos so expect the city of London to get hit with big law suits.

People saying terrorists only attack white middle class...

Remember the 7 7 bombing?

That was in EDGWARE ROAD.

have any of you ever been to Edgware rd?

It's famous as London's Arab equivalent of Chinatown.
Literally every shop is a shisha bar or Arab restaurant and everybody is brown. Everybody. The shop signs are in Arabic.

Muslims were the ones who were there after sunrise prayer saving people before the fire brigade got there. Source? The non muslim residents who were saved.

You pathetic gutter trash.

Just want to add two details to the already shocking description you gave: there is a single stairwell for the entire building and some witnesses reported fire escape doors, which are supposed to be fire doors, on fire.

The second point is hearsay, but the first point is of crucial importance because it shows how the authorities thought a fire could be managed in such a building. Basically, the reason there's only one stairwell is because in the event of a fire, they prefer for people to stay in their apartments, assuming that a fire can be contained in a single apartment and by the time fire crews arrive, they can evacuate as necessary. Sadly, this unprecedented disaster threw all those (badly assessed) plans to the wind.

The bottom line here is that even if the management company met the minimum health/safety/fire requirements as required by law, which they stated following this incident, clearly those minimum requirements are a far cry from what they should be.

If the exterior was concrete and not plastic cladding designed to reduce refurb costs, It wouldn't have engulfed the whole building. Similar to the fire at the tower block not far from it last year. I just passed there a few hours ago and its a mess.

How that passed design, I do not know. Heads will roll.

Just want to add two details to the already shocking description you gave: there is a single stairwell for the entire building and some witnesses reported fire escape doors, which are supposed to be fire doors, on fire.

The second point is hearsay, but the first point is of crucial importance because it shows how the authorities thought a fire could be managed in such a building. Basically, the reason there's only one stairwell is because in the event of a fire, they prefer for people to stay in their apartments, assuming that a fire can be contained in a single apartment and by the time fire crews arrive, they can evacuate as necessary. Sadly, this unprecedented disaster threw all those (badly assessed) plans to the wind.

The bottom line here is that even if the management company met the minimum health/safety/fire requirements as required by law, which they stated following this incident, clearly those minimum requirements are a far cry from what they should be.

This has nothing to do with this tragic fire in a block of flats.

If there was a single stairwell than it was due to costs and not safety. When they were built we had different way of thinking back then and requirements were not as strict.

If a fire door is burning it means the time it can resist a fire is up or they cheaped out, which is illegal.

When high rise buildings are designed they must have designed fire protection, resistance and features to improve safety and time allowed to escape. We're talking fire doors with 30 mins or an hour before burning, automatic fire door closers which close all doors to stop smoke travelling, sealed ducting once the fire alarm is triggered, HVAC going into immediate reverse thrust to suck out all smoke, fire proof/resistant materials, no locking of fire doors or blocking, no rubbish piled up or use of chemicals/paints that can catch fire. These must be stored behind fire sealed rooms and doors.

Think about it, you're 20+ stories up and the fire dept cannot reach you inside 30 minutes. The same goes for tunnels because there needs to be time for travel to the site, location of the fire and setting up. Meanwhile the fire and smoke is going at it. If the fire exits are few in number, the stair cases become blocked with people or smoke and you are high up, you are fuked and literally praying.

Concrete buildings have the advantage of insulating fire to compartments. If one is one fire the ones surrounding it won't catch fire because concrete is a great thermal insulator and doesn't catch fire. If the fire spread quickly then these compartments were compromised in some way.




What? Cladding is used to improve thermal resistance and the overall look of a building. These old blocks looked horrific and initiatives right across England were made to spruce them up and improve the overall feel of the surrounding area to it so they didn't turn out like the **** holes of the 60-80s era.

It also covers up concrete cancer which is an eyesore that blights many old concrete buildings.

If the cladding was some cheap chinese POS then it should not have been placed on the building. It would make sense if the cladding did catch fire because it was like a bonfire and it spread fast.

Cladding is fire resistant if made properly.

wonder what this tower is constructed with? we use concrete and steel stud for framing, with lots of firestop to prevent fires from spreading to different rooms.