Well at least people wouldn't need to resort to all of these ridiculous mental gymnastics (like we're seeing in this thread) to justify the "Will of God" and all of that nonsense. There would be a far more sensible explanation of it.What was motivation for the Crusades against the Cathars, or killing Hypatia and burning the library of Alexandria anyway?

This is the best answer you can give. It’s beyond our understanding. Thank you.

It’s a poor answer, but the only one you can really give.

From a human perspective, which incidentally is the only perspective, I cannot see adequate justification for these acts. Even if it is somehow not wicked, I would need to understand why. And because he can’t give that answer to us, I’m totally cool calling it wicked and him unjust and unloving.

A question that remains unanswered to me is why did all previous civilizations and religions practice sacrifice? Could it be that they all knew there was some sort of "feeding" on mankind through their suffering and that the "gods" or "archons" needed to be appeased? I have yet to see any reasonable explanation why this was practiced in every culture, and thanks to the Catholic Church and their historical overthrow and rewrite we will never know.

If there is a God and a Satan, how is there only a human perspective? Never mind the angels and demons, or even the plants and animals perspective since they are proven to possess consciousness on a lower level than humans.

Maybe God should have sought out your justification too before creating the Earth, moon, and the stars since you seem to think he answers to you and not the other way around.

Yep, hard to say. That's an interesting point though.

We can’t look at things through an Angel or God or Satan’s perspective. There is only ours. We can try to, but as you started before, we will not have a full understanding of it if these beings are indeed real.

I can. I am God. I am the only observer. You all exist only because I perceive you. I am the great consciousness and you are all nothing.

Prove me wrong.

Then why are you talking to yourself?

Right, tell me which translation to use and lets go through some of these scriptures. There are multitudes more, and I've only looked at infanticide. We can look at the general treatment of women and the taking of virgins as sex slaves shortly.

You've only looked at two scriptures there too. Mind addressing the others. Also, 2 Timothy 3:16–17, thoughts on that? If your point is that some of these things aren't sanctioned by God and are merely recorded history, shall I solely stick to words and commands from God?

How about God intervening in some ways and not others. i.e. he will on occasion directly murder a fleeing army. For example, the Amorites. Hailstones that killed more than the Israelites did, then God extends daylight so the Israelites can see and murder more before the day comes to a close. My question is, why can't God just influence these peoples to leave the land instead of wanting his people to stab them to death or directly send hailstones or angels to kill them? Why does he love brutal murder so much?

Gotta laugh at you ignoring 1 Samuel 15:3 too. Which version translation shall we use for Gods direct command to kill "children and infants"? lulz

There's many instances of praise that the Hebrews give God for killing the firstborn of Egypt in the Psalms. That's a bit sick, don't you think?

Question for you, did Jephthah sacrifice his daughter or was it simply her serving at the temple for the rest of her days. I just want to know which side of the aisle you sit.

Also, retard Psalm 137:9 isn't a description of what the Babylonians did to the Egyptians. Can you even read?

"Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
9Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks."

It's giving praise to those who would do that to the Babylonians. Whether that happened or not is neither here nor there, but it gives insight into the mind of God and mind of the Israelites.

Can you also give me some good justification for confusing the languages and also the flood prior to this? He seems to interfere a lot, don't you think?



So what is God going to do about himself then? He has harmed many children and many died as a direct command from him. Also, sparing virgins so they could be sex slaves. lulz

Sure we can get to all that..can you clear up one thing...are you not going to admit to the fact that you purposefully were deceitful in the Scripture you did use..is that right?

I suspect that the Catholic Church was one of the original "NWO's" and reset world history, culture, knowledge and tradition as a way to dumb down and enslave people. They literally installed a new timeline, BC/AD and now we have no fricken idea where we are in our timeline or how long we have been on Earth.

A question that remains unanswered to me is why did all previous civilizations and religions practice sacrifice? Could it be that they all knew there was some sort of "feeding" on mankind through their suffering and that the "gods" or "archons" needed to be appeased? I have yet to see any reasonable explanation why this was practiced in every culture, and thanks to the Catholic Church and their historical overthrow and rewrite we will never know.

How deep in the red are you? Which thread triggered the hive so bad?

Neither is real, let that sink in.

Russia thread lol.

Like -400 lmao

I suspect that the Catholic Church was one of the original "NWO's" and reset world history, culture, knowledge and tradition as a way to dumb down and enslave people. They literally installed a new timeline, BC/AD and now we have no fricken idea where we are in our timeline or how long we have been on Earth.

A question that remains unanswered to me is why did all previous civilizations and religions practice sacrifice? Could it be that they all knew there was some sort of "feeding" on mankind through their suffering and that the "gods" or "archons" needed to be appeased? I have yet to see any reasonable explanation why this was practiced in every culture, and thanks to the Catholic Church and their historical overthrow and rewrite we will never know.

gnosticism is very interesting indeed, and it sucks we probably won't ever know the full picture...

iirc, gnosticism was considered heresy and possibly even censored? What is the main "cannon" book of gnosticism? Is there even a "bible" for it?

You’re wrong about Psalms brah lmao. The context is Israel being enslaved by Babylon for 70 years and now Israel saying it’s now Babylons turn and giving the thumbs up to killing Babylonian babies.

“Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.”

And you’re talking to me about deceit?

If you say Hosea is a warning, that’s fine. Still a horror show. That doesn’t change a thing.

Strange how you cherry pick the ones you think you can defend too and ignore the rest.

So come on Brother Kreul, what translation shall we go with?

A lot of the sources for "Christian Gnosticism" comes from a 2nd Century Christian book by St Irenaeus called Against Heresies. Gnosticism was very censored and it also relates to another heresy called "Marcionism" where people see the Old Testament as a different, evil God compared to the New Testament.

Then there are the Nag Hammadi scriptures which I am very skeptical of as they were translated by UNESCO under the supervision of Julian Huxley who is a very controversial figure.

I'm not a Gnostic in a religious sense, but the overall worldview is interesting. Even recently the CIA declassified much of its research with The Robert Monroe Institute and The Gateway Process - some of which is viewable on CIA.gov website. This research purported that this world is a "Loosh" farm where our suffering and that of animals is harvested and that's what we were created for. You can learn more about this on youtube if you search "Robert Monroe Loosh".

Arthur Schopenhauer made similar sobering remarks about the nature of our reality, for instance when an animal eats another alive in nature the animal being eaten experiences a lot more suffering than the animal receiving the pleasure by eating it, and honestly if we examine existence rationally and objectively we see "suffering" or "evil" being the positive and dominant force over the "good" or not suffering/pleasure.

Plato also remarked that things are far from right in this creation and that "God" (his demiurge) was a great Artisan but who made many mistakes.

Many of my critiques of Christianity from a philosophical stance is that Christianity is simply neo-platonism bolted on to a Jewish story, which is why I agree with Eastern Orthodoxy's Logos Theology in many ways and its coherency but reject how they bolt that on to the Old Testament to make it coherent.

Unfortunately many Christians do not read the philosophers and theologians who put together the books of the bible, the Church Fathers, and do not understand that Christianity is a philosophical system composed for a purpose by men.

I probably wrote way too much here but it is a subject of interest for me

A lot of the sources for "Christian Gnosticism" comes from a 2nd Century Christian book by St Irenaeus called Against Heresies. Gnosticism was very censored and it also relates to another heresy called "Marcionism" where people see the Old Testament as a different, evil God compared to the New Testament.

Then there are the Nag Hammadi scriptures which I am very skeptical of as they were translated by UNESCO under the supervision of Julian Huxley who is a very controversial figure.

I'm not a Gnostic in a religious sense, but the overall worldview is interesting. Even recently the CIA declassified much of its research with The Robert Monroe Institute and The Gateway Process - some of which is viewable on CIA.gov website. This research purported that this world is a "Loosh" farm where our suffering and that of animals is harvested and that's what we were created for. You can learn more about this on youtube if you search "Robert Monroe Loosh".

Arthur Schopenhauer made similar sobering remarks about the nature of our reality, for instance when an animal eats another alive in nature the animal being eaten experiences a lot more suffering than the animal receiving the pleasure by eating it, and honestly if we examine existence rationally and objectively we see "suffering" or "evil" being the positive and dominant force over the "good" or not suffering/pleasure.

Plato also remarked that things are far from right in this creation and that "God" (his demiurge) was a great Artisan but who made many mistakes.

Many of my critiques of Christianity from a philosophical stance is that Christianity is simply neo-platonism bolted on to a Jewish story, which is why I agree with Eastern Orthodoxy's Logos Theology in many ways and its coherency but reject how they bolt that on to the Old Testament to make it coherent.

Unfortunately many Christians do not read the philosophers and theologians who put together the books of the bible, the Church Fathers, and do not understand that Christianity is a philosophical system composed for a purpose by men.

I probably wrote way too much here but it is a subject of interest for me

thanks for the info, but i feel that is just the tip of the iceberg that you gave me lol

how did you get into all of this? where did you start?

is there a wiki for all of this? What book do you recommend i read, just "Against Heresies"?

thanks for the info, but i feel that is just the tip of the iceberg that you gave me lol

how did you get into all of this? where did you start?

is there a wiki for all of this? What book do you recommend i read, just "Against Heresies"?

IMO -

trickedbythelight.com is a good source to get a general idea of the underlying theories. His ideas aren't fully "Gnostic" (though certainly heavily influenced by) and he does a great job of consolidating a lot of ideas and themes. The website is quite poorly formatted though, like a 90's throwback. It also points you in a lot of directions to further dig into the ideas yourself.

Forever conciousness reasearch -https://www.youtube.com/c/ForeverCon...esearchChannelis also pretty good imo. The guy can be a bit annoying at times, and he has a lot of long winded videos (I usually just listen to them in the background during the work day) - but I think overall he has the right idea. Again - consolidates a lot of the general ideas.

At the very least, I think the ideas/paradigms they put out should be taken into serious consideration by everyone. If they are correct - then it's pretty important people get a chance to be exposed to those ideas. After all of my time looking into and exploring this stuff (pretty always been much more into the Eastern religions though), I think they have the most compelling overall theories that I've encountered thus far. Perhaps that largely due to me being a pretty cynical person though.

^^^ this stuff is excellent.

Frequently watch forever consciousness.

Skirrel start with this stuff srs.

^^^ this stuff is excellent.

Frequently watch forever consciousness.

Skirrel start with this stuff srs.

Kruel, I'm coming back but getting yucky with the boys

but milfmanmilk... what's with these posts and your other race baiting/nazi chit... what's happening with you? srs

You just an edgelord or do you genuinely hold these beliefs?

Kruel, I'm coming back but getting yucky with the boys

but milfmanmilk... what's with these posts and your other race baiting/nazi chit... what's happening with you? srs

You just an edgelord or do you genuinely hold these beliefs?

Thanks guys, this is interesting stuff. My weekends are better spent checking this stuff out than rinsemaxxing, especially if i'm trying to stay lean and save money in this economy.

Do you guys believe in ghosts? I do, and it may or may not mean there's an afterlife... It might point out that some spirits are troubled and cannot pass over or reincarnate properly...

Back when i was younger, buddhism, karma, and reincarnation made sense to me, but idk anymore

Smh at philosophical babble. Also at NDEs and deducing anything mystical or religious from them.