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post 1639268013 05-23-2021, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted By P51
Then please clarify how millions of people are going to live a pre 2020 life.
They won't. COVID happened, we now have available vaccines with up to 95% risk reduction, but by the test numbers (if we follow them) the best case scenario is it lowers infection to as low as 1/2500 people.

If there are 7,000,000,000 people in the world, that means 2,800,000 people will still contract it regularly with a perfect vaccination rate across the world.

If we still have 2.8 million people with COVID, how will it ever completely go away?

Again, I'm not saying people shouldn't get the vaccine, I want people to get it, but i'm not willing to inflate the reasoning or lie about the numbers because of my personal choices.



If people are vulnerable, even with 100% vaccination, according to Pfizer's own figures, we'd still have 2.8 million people across the globe walking around with it.

We're at a point now where, if you're immune-compromised, you will likely need to continue to take massive cautions whether the rate is 70% or 100% vaccine coverage.
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post 1639271033 05-23-2021, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted By P51
Just so I understand you correctly, you think millions of americans should live in hiding because we have a bunch of inbreds who wont get the vaccine?
There is NO reason to take the vaccine. I’ll keep on repeating it, as clearly some just are not understanding..Ubiquitous viruses are fought and defeated primarily by the T-Cell lymphocytes within our immune systems.
What’s the proof?

“Persistence of Antibody and Cellular Immune Responses in COVID-19 patients over Nine Months after Infection”

https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance...iab255/6274562

“Immunity to the Coronavirus May Last Years, New Data Hint
Blood samples from recovered patients suggest a powerful, long-lasting immune response, researchers reported.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...unity.amp.html
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Originally Posted By AdamWW
They won't. COVID happened, we now have available vaccines with up to 95% risk reduction, but by the test numbers (if we follow them) the best case scenario is it lowers infection to as low as 1/2500 people.

If there are 7,000,000,000 people in the world, that means 2,800,000 people will still contract it regularly with a perfect vaccination rate across the world.

If we still have 2.8 million people with COVID, how will it ever completely go away?

Again, I'm not saying people shouldn't get the vaccine, I want people to get it, but i'm not willing to inflate the reasoning or lie about the numbers because of my personal choices.



If people are vulnerable, even with 100% vaccination, according to Pfizer's own figures, we'd still have 2.8 million people across the globe walking around with it.

We're at a point now where, if you're immune-compromised, you will likely need to continue to take massive cautions whether the rate is 70% or 100% vaccine coverage.
It's not a "cure" if people are dying. It's not "data" if the adverse reactions and deaths are being censored/not included. It's not "research" if they're deleting opposing information. It's not "science" if you're not allowed to question it.

The truth is that nothing replaces testing and time and you cant skip those two things no matter how much money and expertise you throw at it. Normal approval process is 3-5 years of animal trials, followed by 3-5 years of human trials. Every previous mRNa "vaccine" candidate was withdrawn before or during animal trials due to lack of efficacy combined with serious safety concerns
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Originally Posted By Paul
It's not a "cure" if people are dying. It's not "data" if the adverse reactions and deaths are being censored/not included. It's not "research" if they're deleting opposing information. It's not "science" if you're not allowed to question it.

The truth is that nothing replaces testing and time and you cant skip those two things no matter how much money and expertise you throw at it. Normal approval process is 3-5 years of animal trials, followed by 3-5 years of human trials. Every previous mRNa "vaccine" candidate was withdrawn before or during animal trials due to lack of efficacy combined with serious safety concerns
I never called it a cure

Why did you put that in quotes? Who are you quoting ?
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Originally Posted By AdamWW
I never called it a cure

Why did you put that in quotes? Who are you quoting ?
“Lower infection rate to as low as 1/2500 people”..

Where are you getting this?
Did those that found this to be true if so, use the PCR TEST?
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Originally Posted By Paul
“Lower infection rate to as low as 1/2500 people”..

Where are you getting this?
Did those that found this to be true if so, use the PCR TEST?
It’s based on Pfizer’s numbers.

In their tests, the reported infection rate of non-vaccinated people was .74% which is 1/135

It was .04% in the vaccine group which is 1 / 2500

That is an 18.5x reduction

I’m using the numbers that have been provided, as was mentioned a few times previously.

Also, why did you read 1/2500 as a ‘cure’

A cure means zero…
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Originally Posted By AdamWW
It’s based on Pfizer’s numbers.

In their tests, the reported infection rate of non-vaccinated people was .74% which is 1/135

It was .04% in the vaccine group which is 1 / 2500

That is an 18.5x reduction

I’m using the numbers that have been provided, as was mentioned a few times previously.
So you are getting the numbers from the one supplying the drug themselves & are most likely using the PCR test..Adam c’mon. This is absurd. Do I really have to explain how drug companies work?
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Originally Posted By Paul
So you are getting the numbers from the one supplying the drug themselves & are most likely using the PCR test..Adam c’mon. This is absurd. Do I really have to explain how drug companies work?
I gave the appropriate caveats, I told you where they came from.

the choice of believing them is up to you.

Im not coming up with stuff on my own… I’m using what I have available
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Originally Posted By smegmasniffer




I am working on it every chance I get



Yes Adam has been negging me every chance he gets as well.
thank you bro, I know Ben Garrison, although I am more of an admirer of Dave Rapoza's works.




thank you.
in this day and age where truth is smeered, censored and canceled, it's increasingly difficult to expose the scumbags/charlatans/and ped0phile zionists who keep pushing these fake news about how dangerous covid is and their vaccines being safe.

Hoping I can bring some more attention to this scamdemic with whatever skillset I have.
Just. Awesome. Too talented for this forum. Srs.
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Originally Posted By AdamWW
I gave the appropriate caveats, I told you where they came from.

the choice of believing them is up to you.

Im not coming up with stuff on my own… I’m using what I have available
Okay, we’ll focus on Pfizer then. The CDC confirmed the Pfizer & Moderna jabs are the deadliest of all "vaccines"

https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?c...DCihUpjQQKzXOk

https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?c...DGIn83Ok3Rlsvk

https://rumble.com/vfqyet-cdc-admits...-vaccines.html

You are aware that clinical trials aren’t even finished until 2023. What you may not be aware of is the ingredient SM-102 (in the Pfezir/J&J) that is not recommended for human or veterinary use should bring the entire jab campaign to a screeching halt.

Covid has never been isolated, and that the symptoms mimic the flu, Covid19 is considered an influenza variant....yes, people can die of influenza or the common cold. In fact, lungs of influenza patients can be more damaged than those of Covid patients. And blood clotting is also common in flu patients.

I’ve tried making you aware of the faults of the PCR test lie, & where all those “extra” deaths came from. Getting vaxxed for a virus that has 99.9% survival rate is completely absurd. Especially with..

https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance...iab255/6274562
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Originally Posted By Paul
Okay, we’ll focus on Pfizer then. The CDC confirmed the Pfizer & Moderna jabs are the deadliest of all "vaccines"

https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?c...DCihUpjQQKzXOk

https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?c...DGIn83Ok3Rlsvk

https://rumble.com/vfqyet-cdc-admits...-vaccines.html

You are aware that clinical trials aren’t even finished until 2023. What you may not be aware of is the ingredient SM-102 (in the Pfezir/J&J) that is not recommended for human or veterinary use should bring the entire jab campaign to a screeching halt.

Covid has never been isolated, and that the symptoms mimic the flu, Covid19 is considered an influenza variant....yes, people can die of influenza or the common cold. In fact, lungs of influenza patients can be more damaged than those of Covid patients. And blood clotting is also common in flu patients.

I’ve tried making you aware of the faults of the PCR test lie, & where all those “extra” deaths came from. Getting vaxxed for a virus that has 99.9% survival rate is completely absurd.
I respect your right to form your own opinions and make your own choices Paul.
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post 1639273593 05-23-2021, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted By AdamWW
I respect your right to form your own opinions and make your own choices Paul.
Thank you. Likewise. Just reading through this..

https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance...iab255/6274562

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...unity.amp.html

Explain the logic in taking an experimental untested vaccine...
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Originally Posted By Paul
Thank you. Likewise. Just reading through this..

https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance...iab255/6274562

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...unity.amp.html

Explain the logic in taking an experimental untested vaccine...
Why are you interrogating me? I’m not looking for a fight.
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post 1639274143 05-23-2021, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted By AdamWW
Why are you interrogating me? I’m not looking for a fight.
I’m not, I’m trying to get your opinion.
post 1639274353 05-23-2021, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
I’m not, I’m trying to get your opinion.
You just posted two links out of nowhere and are like “explain to me….”

This isn’t a classroom and I’m not a student taking a pop quiz.

It’s as though you assume I’m on the offensive or something, or that I’m looking to go to battle… I’m not.

I have posted my personal reasons like 5 times already, I’m not doing it again.
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post 1639274533 05-23-2021, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted By AdamWW
You just posted two links out of nowhere and are like “explain to me….”

This isn’t a classroom and I’m not a student taking a pop quiz.

It’s as though you assume I’m on the offensive or something, or that I’m looking to go to battle… I’m not.

I have posted my personal reasons like 5 times already, I’m not doing it again.
I understand. I think it’s also important to understand that new information is constantly coming out, or new to us on this forum at least. Now considering the links I posted, would you still recommend people to be vaccinated?
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Originally Posted By Paul
I understand. I think it’s also important to understand that new information is constantly coming out, or new to us on this forum at least. Now considering the links I posted, would you still recommend people to be vaccinated?
I can’t read through links in like 5 minutes… I’ll read then when I can. Again, I’m not on trial here, sure feels like I am tho.
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Originally Posted By AdamWW
I can’t read through links in like 5 minutes… I’ll read then when I can. Again, I’m not on trial here, sure feels like I am tho.
Not at all, I appreciate you being around the thread as long as you have, like I stated previously, it’s good we keep each other in check, & question when it’s appropriate.
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Originally Posted By Paul
Not at all, I appreciate you being around the thread as long as you have, like I stated previously, it’s good we keep each other in check, & question when it’s appropriate.
At a glance, These appear to be articles about people who have already had Covid.

I don’t feel people who have had Covid need to get vaccinated.

Is there more to these? I’ve always felt that people who have already been infected shouldn’t worry about it, at least until there’s reason to believe their immunity wore off.
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post 1639275913 05-23-2021, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted By AdamWW
At a glance, These appear to be articles about people who have already had Covid.

I don’t feel people who have had Covid need to get vaccinated.

Is there more to these? I’ve always felt that people who have already been infected shouldn’t worry about it, at least until there’s reason to believe their immunity wore off.
Completely agree. Now knowing the survival rate of Covid, knowing that 94% of all Covid deaths are those that had 2.6 comorbidities, knowing that regardless of Covid, there would have been far more deaths last year, & a few to come, & knowing the faults of the PCR test..can you really recommend people be vaccinated?
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Originally Posted By Paul
Completely agree. Now knowing the survival rate of Covid, knowing that 94% of all Covid deaths are those that had 2.6 comorbidities, knowing that regardless of Covid, there would have been far more deaths last year, & a few to come, & knowing the faults of the PCR test..can you really recommend people be vaccinated?
If they want added protection from getting sick, sure.

Feeling nothing vs dying aren’t the only two possible outcomes of contracting Covid.

Where are you seeing less deaths last year?
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Can i get cliffs on this massive thread?

Thanks
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Originally Posted By AdamWW
If they want added protection from getting sick, sure.

Feeling nothing vs dying aren’t the only two possible outcomes of contracting Covid.

Where are you seeing less deaths last year?
If they get Covid, they develop antibodies to fight said Covid that are more effective than the vaccine itself.

Never said less deaths, said we would have had more deaths regardless of Covid or not.
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Originally Posted By Paul
If they get Covid, they develop antibodies to fight said Covid that are more effective than the vaccine itself.

Never said less deaths, said we would have had more deaths regardless of Covid or not.
Yes, but the very concept of a vaccine is to avoid infection in the first place… meaning people wouldnt have to risk getting sick for possibly weeks more, or in exceedingly rare cases something worse.

Why do you say we would have had more deaths even without Covid ?
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Originally Posted By Getter_done
Can i get cliffs on this massive thread?

Thanks
Started out making fun of those virtue signaling on social media that they got vaccinated & what they actually look like.

Turned into the effects of the vaccine & what people are posting about said effects.
OP has done some ridiculous artwork & his posts are pretty epic..it’s worth going through all 80+ pgs. Srs
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Originally Posted By AdamWW
Yes, but the very concept of a vaccine is to avoid infection in the first place… meaning people wouldnt have to risk getting sick for possibly weeks more, or in exceedingly rare cases something worse.

Why do you say we would have had more deaths even without Covid ?
The vaccine does not stop people from getting Covid..& certainly not less severe at that.

Death numbers SHOULD be going up at this time, with a 78 year average life expectancy and considering the world wide crash and then the huge boom in the 40's. The demographics alone would have given us higher deaths this year with an expectation of it rising over the next three or four years based solely on the fact that those born at the height of the post-war boom (1946-1952) are now reaching the statistical probability of death.

We would see a natural jump right now if only due to this fact of demographics. If this is fraud they timed it perfectly to obfuscate this demographic reality. An excess mortality rate assumes there is excess mortality and doesn't prove it, and again, the data is put together by the same people with vested interests in proving a Covid 19
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Originally Posted By Paul
The vaccine does not stop people from getting Covid..& certainly not less severe at that.

Death numbers SHOULD be going up at this time, with a 78 year average life expectancy and considering the world wide crash and then the huge boom in the 40's. The demographics alone would have given us higher deaths this year with an expectation of it rising over the next three or four years based solely on the fact that those born at the height of the post-war boom (1946-1952) are now reaching the statistical probability of death.

We would see a natural jump right now if only due to this fact of demographics. If this is fraud they timed it perfectly to obfuscate this demographic reality. An excess mortality rate assumes there is excess mortality and doesn't prove it, and again, the data is put together by the same people with vested interests in proving a Covid 19
I know it doesn’t reduce the risk to zero… no vaccine is 100% fix. It’s a reduction.

I’m afraid I don’t know enough about death statistics to comment on the trends we are or aren’t seeing.
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Originally Posted By AdamWW
I know it doesn’t reduce the risk to zero… no vaccine is 100% fix. It’s a reduction.

I’m afraid I don’t know enough about death statistics to comment on the trends we are or aren’t seeing.
A reduction according to whom..the people telling you to get their vaccine?
Dude..c’mon
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Originally Posted By Paul
A reduction according to whom..the people telling you to get their vaccine?
Dude..c’mon
I don’t know what else you want me to go off of at this point…

How have we ever known any vaccine does anything ? They do trials and then report on them…

I really don’t know what to say…. At what point will information be regarded as reliable ?
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