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post 1510234651 06-30-2017, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted By otakutrevan⏩
Man you guys are terrible at reading. No shade, but jesus christ.
People have preconceived notions about FA's/people who have trouble with women. They then attempt to argue by creating a strawman based on those notions. US Ranger does this **** all the time, as well as a few other posters on this board. They think they have everything figured out, and if you're having problems, it MUST because of one reason or another, so all their arguments are predicated on you having those issues that they've dreamed up in their head and applied to you. They don't even read your responses.. they just cherry pick a sentence that justifies their confirmation bias, but they take it out of context, then reply with something totally irrelevant to what you said because they didn't read the entire paragraph.

I could be wrong though. I'm just some fat loser on the internet.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
People have preconceived notions about FA's/people who have trouble with women. They then attempt to argue by creating a strawman based on those notions. US Ranger does this **** all the time, as well as a few other posters on this board. They think they have everything figured out, and if you're having problems, it MUST because of one reason or another, so all their arguments are predicated on you having those issues that they've dreamed up in their head and applied to you. They don't even read your responses.. they just cherry pick a sentence that justifies their confirmation bias, but they take it out of context, then reply with something totally irrelevant to what you said because they didn't read the entire paragraph.

I could be wrong though. I'm just some fat loser on the internet.
You got the last part right.

In reality, it's not me making a strawman, it's you always making excuses and moving the goalposts. Like anyone who refuses to use any logic in their arguments, you create your own reality and then when people argue against it, you just say NOPE and refuse to change anything. That's not on me or anything to do with a strawman, that's you being a loser. It's been a theme on here for years, I'm not the only one who notices it and you've been called out for it hundreds of times. I'm just the most forward about calling you out because this whole "everyone gets a trophy" **** is disgusting. You need to man the fck up just like most of the FA's here.

The sad part is that you have made advances before (especially with the weight loss thing) but instead of sticking with it even when it gets hard, you just quit (modern FA theme) and then blame anything/everything but yourself for it.

In before you claim I'm making a strawman when I'm not.
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Originally Posted By FA*******⏩
Calc 3's not bad brah, don't sweat it. If you made it through calc 2, you'll have no problems with 3.

I've been trying to learn how to cook,but after screwing up 2 or 3 times on some stews and patty melts,I've kind of lost the drive for it. Nothing kills your motivation like being forced to eat your own crappy food.

Gardening is pretty cool though.
I lol'd....I mean I'm not the best but patty melts/stews are easy money. Have you tried chicken recipes? From time to time I make garlic parmesan breaded chicken...it's so easy a caveman can do it. Try it out, you should be able to handle it
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
You got the last part right.

In reality, it's not me making a strawman, it's you always making excuses and moving the goalposts. Like anyone who refuses to use any logic in their arguments, you create your own reality and then when people argue against it, you just say NOPE and refuse to change anything. That's not on me or anything to do with a strawman, that's you being a loser. It's been a theme on here for years, I'm not the only one who notices it and you've been called out for it hundreds of times. I'm just the most forward about calling you out because this whole "everyone gets a trophy" **** is disgusting. You need to man the fck up just like most of the FA's here.

The sad part is that you have made advances before (especially with the weight loss thing) but instead of sticking with it even when it gets hard, you just quit (modern FA theme) and then blame anything/everything but yourself for it.

In before you claim I'm making a strawman when I'm not.
You ARE making a strawman. Your entire post is full of bull****. I've literally never once blamed anyone else for my issues, nor do I "expect a trophy for everyone". I've never said such. I've never inplied such. You fabricate this **** out of your own head. You are categorically patholicial in your lies. Try actually addreasing an argument. Just once. I bet you can't do it.
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Looks like this thread turned out exactly the way we all expected.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
You ARE making a strawman. Your entire post is full of bull****. I've literally never once blamed anyone else for my issues, nor do I "expect a trophy for everyone". I've never said such. I've never inplied such. You fabricate this **** out of your own head. You are categorically patholicial in your lies. Try actually addreasing an argument. Just once. I bet you can't do it.
^^^^^

Take note FA's. This is how you become mentally ill.

This dude does nothing but shift blame constantly and never takes responsibility for his issues:

-CAN'T lose weight
-CAN'T approach a woman
-CAN'T do X, Y or Z

Even though the laws of physics disagree with him

And when the laws of physics are brought up, he just refuses to acknowledge it and blames people (like me) for making strawman arguments. Complete mental derangement. I'd say you should get professional help but I wouldn't be surprised if you said it's not physically possible to do that either.
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Originally Posted By DolphinPilot⏩
Looks like this thread turned out exactly the way we all expected.
Well when you have 4 or 5 people who do nothing but spew negative nonsense about how much life sucks while eating good food, sleeping in comfy beds, going to nice gyms, having decent jobs, etc then it's no wonder that people are going to wonder why they're so upset all the time.

Add in mental illness and autism and there's quite a display of characters here.
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
Well when you have 4 or 5 people who do nothing but spew negative nonsense about how much life sucks while eating good food, sleeping in comfy beds, going to nice gyms, having decent jobs, etc then it's no wonder that people are going to wonder why they're so upset all the time.

Add in mental illness and autism and there's quite a display of characters here.
You're not helping at all. Instead of fighting negativity with more negativity, why don't you say something positive or try not being so sarcastic and condescending all the time. I think you need to realize that you're part of the problem too. These threads usually go south because you or Mr.Beer get into it with some random miscer. If you don't like what we're saying just don't say anything ...jesus. Don't you get tired of arguing all the time?
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
^^^^^

This dude does nothing but shift blame constantly and never takes responsibility for his issues:
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I have literally never done this, and as I stated, you were unable to point to an example where I did.

You're a fukcing joke.
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Originally Posted By iamdetermined⏩
You're not helping at all. Instead of fighting negativity with more negativity, why don't you say something positive or try not being so sarcastic and condescending all the time. I think you need to realize that you're part of the problem too. These threads usually go south because you or Mr.Beer get into it with some random miscer. If you don't like what we're saying just don't say anything ...jesus. Don't you get tired of arguing all the time?
and I bet he isn't like this with people IRL either (argumentation, condescending, and smug) (see what I did there?)

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Originally Posted By iamdetermined⏩
You're not helping at all. Instead of fighting negativity with more negativity, why don't you say something positive or try not being so sarcastic and condescending all the time. I think you need to realize that you're part of the problem too. These threads usually go south because you or Mr.Beer get into it with some random miscer. If you don't like what we're saying just don't say anything ...jesus. Don't you get tired of arguing all the time?
Ah yes, the ol' positive reinforcement. Modern society in a nutshell. The problem with a lot of the FA's (probably all of them other than Otak who actually went through some ****) is that none of you have experience with negative reinforcement and having to man up. Maybe a couple of you had ****ty childhoods with mom and dad? I don't know, might be a good psychology lesson. For the most part though, people have cake lives. You eat, sleep, work and lift. It's not bad. Then when someone says you're being negative for no reason, you feel sorry for yourself instead of acknowledge it.

Maybe if you guys had some real responsibility in your lives and had people rely on you or at least had some sort of real stress, you'd realize that being coddled doesn't help you advance anywhere.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
I have literally never done this, and as I stated, you were unable to point to an example where I did.

You're a fukcing joke.
You're full of **** and you know it.

We've all seen your posts.

I PHYSICALLY CAN'T GO UP TO A WOMAN AND SAY HELLO. I PHYSICALLY CAN'T HAVE CONFIDENCE.

Yes, you can. You just refuse to do it therefore shifting the blame on to some imaginary force that prevents you from actually putting your feet on the ground and walking up to someone. You, of course, don't see this because you don't live in the same world as the rest of us.
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Just droppin some positivity in here

I approached 25 girls this past week (10+ girls just last night, outside)..after a few weeks of just hitting on 0-5 girls
Got an 18 year old's # that's pretty solid who's down to meetup tomorrow. I don't get my hopes up...cause u never know.
But surprised/not surprised she gave me her # on the bus and kept texting me..cause I was high as fuk, stumbling my words and she knew so she's clearly attracted to me regardless. She smokes weed and aint shy about it so that's cool.

Last night I got one number, but found out it was an escort. This blonde chick..just sitting on the floor in the bus station, straightening her hair, brain completely fried, just gave it to me. I was crackin up still. Literally the worst rejections were just girls straight ignoring me, which is usually the case with fob asians. They're just scared. So I laugh, anytime it happens and move on.
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
I PHYSICALLY CAN'T GO UP TO A WOMAN AND SAY HELLO. I PHYSICALLY CAN'T HAVE CONFIDENCE.
Is this me blaming other people for my problems, or not? Yes or no? Simple FUKCING question. You said I blame others for my problems. I have NEVER done that. You have never provided ANY proof, you just keep lying/strawmanning me and other FA posters here. You have no actual arguments, so you have to misrepresent everything I say. You're a piece of ****.
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Originally Posted By Kleinnd⏩
Just droppin some positivity in here

I approached 25 girls this past week (10+ girls just last night, outside)..after a few weeks of just hitting on 0-5 girls
Got an 18 year old's # that's pretty solid who's down to meetup tomorrow. I don't get my hopes up...cause u never know.
But surprised/not surprised she gave me her # on the bus and kept texting me..cause I was high as fuk, stumbling my words and she knew so she's clearly attracted to me regardless. She smokes weed and aint shy about it so that's cool.

Last night I got one number, but found out it was an escort. This blonde chick..just sitting on the floor in the bus station, straightening her hair, brain completely fried, just gave it to me. I was crackin up still. Literally the worst rejections were just girls straight ignoring me, which is usually the case with fob asians. They're just scared. So I laugh, anytime it happens and move on.
Do you approach girls that you are legitimately interested in or do you approach women just for the sake of approaching them, or a combo of the two?
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
You're full of **** and you know it.

We've all seen your posts.

I PHYSICALLY CAN'T GO UP TO A WOMAN AND SAY HELLO. I PHYSICALLY CAN'T HAVE CONFIDENCE.

Yes, you can. You just refuse to do it therefore shifting the blame on to some imaginary force that prevents you from actually putting your feet on the ground and walking up to someone. You, of course, don't see this because you don't live in the same world as the rest of us.
Well I mean....You are right in one sense and so is he, if you are not in the right state of mind then no, you more than likely wont have the ability to do the things he is talking about. And clearly he wasn't and probably still isn't, but that is ok as it takes time to get there, some people do it over night and for some people it takes years. All you can is hope for the best and just keep trying a different method every day, and hopefully make it.
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Originally Posted By CheekyChri6s23⏩
Do you approach girls that you are legitimately interested in or do you approach women just for the sake of approaching them, or a combo of the two?
Combo.
Like if I just wanna collect #s and have free time. I have a set amount of girls I wanna talk to (last night I just wanted to talk to 10 girls) like my convos last barely 1 to 2 mins. I ask for the # quick.

If I'm busy..comin from work. Or gym..and see a girl I'm diggin and really interested in or she checks me out (the 18 y/o # I got). I try to go for it.

If I'm at a nightclub/lounge which is rare for me these days..i go for anything and everything cause I'm trying to get laid that night. No #s.
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Originally Posted By Kleinnd⏩
Combo.
Like if I just wanna collect #s and have free time. I have a set amount of girls I wanna talk to (last night I just wanted to talk to 10 girls) like my convos last barely 1 to 2 mins. I ask for the # quick.

If I'm busy..comin from work. Or gym..and see a girl I'm diggin and really interested in or she checks me out (the 18 y/o # I got). I try to go for it.

If I'm at a nightclub/lounge which is rare for me these days..i go for anything and everything cause I'm trying to get laid that night. No #s.
Thanks for the insight. The only times I would strike up a convo with a woman would be if she is doing an activity that I know how to do/am interested in or if I am in a chatty kind of mood (which is almost never lol). I could never picture myself cold approaching just for the hell of it, I would rather do something else during my free time.

To each his/her own.
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
Ah yes, the ol' positive reinforcement. Modern society in a nutshell. The problem with a lot of the FA's (probably all of them other than Otak who actually went through some ****) is that none of you have experience with negative reinforcement and having to man up. Maybe a couple of you had ****ty childhoods with mom and dad? I don't know, might be a good psychology lesson. For the most part though, people have cake lives. You eat, sleep, work and lift. It's not bad. Then when someone says you're being negative for no reason, you feel sorry for yourself instead of acknowledge it.

Maybe if you guys had some real responsibility in your lives and had people rely on you or at least had some sort of real stress, you'd realize that being coddled doesn't help you advance anywhere.
I need some responsibility in my life..


I want to get a parrot, I deal with stress every day, I could collapse on the floor and lose my license and job tomorrow. Being a epileptic I see average people as people above me. If this ever happens past age 26 I am phucked and it is something that is really out of my control.

I know you dedicated your life to the military for a while ( much respect) but do you know how it feels like to not have control over your body?
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Originally Posted By Legend1617⏩
I need some responsibility in my life..


I want to get a parrot, I deal with stress every day, I could collapse on the floor and lose my license and job tomorrow. Being a epileptic I see average people as people above me. If this ever happens past age 26 I am phucked and it is something that is really out of my control.

I know you dedicated your life to the military for a while ( much respect) but do you know how it feels like to not have control over your body?
Yes.

I was told at one point I was never going to walk again. I've been hospitalized more times than I can count and I was brought back to life once after being dead in the water (srs)

People here might think I have no empathy but they're wrong. I'm in a profession where all I do is help those who are hurt and I do it for EXTREMELY low pay considering my skill-set. The lack of empathy I show here is for people who refuse to help themselves. That's a very standard FA attitude and I don't consider you one of those people. I think you have problems and you're only getting your feet under you now. It's going to be awhile before you're your own man but that's fine. It's a long journey and you'll get there even with bumps in the road. Just stay medicated for your seizures and take it one day at a time.

PS - no one is above you, that's ridiculous
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
Ah yes, the ol' positive reinforcement. Modern society in a nutshell. The problem with a lot of the FA's (probably all of them other than Otak who actually went through some ****) is that none of you have experience with negative reinforcement and having to man up. Maybe a couple of you had ****ty childhoods with mom and dad? I don't know, might be a good psychology lesson. For the most part though, people have cake lives. You eat, sleep, work and lift. It's not bad. Then when someone says you're being negative for no reason, you feel sorry for yourself instead of acknowledge it.

Maybe if you guys had some real responsibility in your lives and had people rely on you or at least had some sort of real stress, you'd realize that being coddled doesn't help you advance anywhere.
There you go with the assumptions. If getting called ugly, getting roasted for your $10 shoes, or getting pencil shavings dumped on you right in front of your crush isn't negative reinforcement than I don't know what is. More importantly despite the way I speak/conduct myself at the end of the day I grew up with Caribbean parents... let's just say they didn't fail at sparing the rod (granted I deserved it) . If you knew anything about psychology or had common sense you'd know that negative reinforcement is probably the cause of most FAs problems. Think anyone would be complaining if they got praise all the time in the major aspects of life or didn't get bullied ? You're right, we don't have to worry about starving or anything... but Maslows hierarchy of needs is a real thing and even though the basics are fulfilled we're still gonna have natural urges to have the top of the pyramid.

Nevertheless my point is.. your overly alpha douchebag mentality is a major cause of threads getting derailed and I was just pointing that out. Quit blaming everyone else when you're the one who comes into threads starting problems. Clearly your "negative reinforcement creates alphas" mentality isn't helping anyone.
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Originally Posted By Kleinnd⏩
Combo.
Like if I just wanna collect #s and have free time. I have a set amount of girls I wanna talk to (last night I just wanted to talk to 10 girls) like my convos last barely 1 to 2 mins. I ask for the # quick.

If I'm busy..comin from work. Or gym..and see a girl I'm diggin and really interested in or she checks me out (the 18 y/o # I got). I try to go for it.

If I'm at a nightclub/lounge which is rare for me these days..i go for anything and everything cause I'm trying to get laid that night. No #s.
I'm the same way in the club.... I've probably missed out on some solid fwbs cause I'm just focused on getting them that same night. Always seem to think I'm gonna smash (dat liquid confidence) so I see getting the number as a minor thing.
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Originally Posted By Kleinnd⏩
Just droppin some positivity in here

I approached 25 girls this past week (10+ girls just last night, outside)..after a few weeks of just hitting on 0-5 girls
Got an 18 year old's # that's pretty solid who's down to meetup tomorrow. I don't get my hopes up...cause u never know.
But surprised/not surprised she gave me her # on the bus and kept texting me..cause I was high as fuk, stumbling my words and she knew so she's clearly attracted to me regardless. She smokes weed and aint shy about it so that's cool.

Last night I got one number, but found out it was an escort. This blonde chick..just sitting on the floor in the bus station, straightening her hair, brain completely fried, just gave it to me. I was crackin up still. Literally the worst rejections were just girls straight ignoring me, which is usually the case with fob asians. They're just scared. So I laugh, anytime it happens and move on.
Assuming the 18 year old is the one number you got, you got rejected 24 times.
24 times.
24.
That is just absurd...I applaud your courage, but to be frank, what a wast of phuckin' time/attention to people who don't deserve it.
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Originally Posted By joshewah17⏩
Assuming the 18 year old is the one number you got, you got rejected 24 times.
24 times.
24.
That is just absurd...I applaud your courage, but to be frank, what a wast of phuckin' time/attention to people who don't deserve it.
Majority had BFs. Attractive girls have bfs. No "game" I spit will change that. None were a bitch to me tho. Some took my #. The couple of fob girls who ignored me are just weird (all i said was Hey..) But that's a time saver in itself.

Btw my interactions last maybe 30 seconds to 2 mins at best. Cause all I'm doing is trying to get #s. I don't even get to know them and barely compliment them. so I spent maybe in total 40 mins on those 25 girls which might have gotten me a date with a cute girl tomorrow.

40 mins spent man. And might have a date.
Try doing that through online dating or social circle etc.

40 mins would've just been a porn session for me.
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Originally Posted By iamdetermined⏩
There you go with the assumptions. If getting called ugly, getting roasted for your $10 shoes, or getting pencil shavings dumped on you right in front of your crush isn't negative reinforcement than I don't know what is.
Didn't bother reading past here.

Look up some definitions cuzz.
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Originally Posted By iamdetermined⏩
I'm the same way in the club.... I've probably missed out on some solid fwbs cause I'm just focused on getting them that same night. Always seem to think I'm gonna smash (dat liquid confidence) so I see getting the number as a minor thing.
Yeah man. I just made out with this ugly chick tonight outside the bar. She was so dtf..but no place to fuk and her man showed up out of nowhere so didn't grab the #
Sometimes u just wishing for the stars to align lol
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Originally Posted By Kleinnd⏩
Majority had BFs. Attractive girls have bfs. No "game" I spit will change that. None were a bitch to me tho. Some took my #. The couple of fob girls who ignored me are just weird (all i said was Hey..) But that's a time saver in itself.

Btw my interactions last maybe 30 seconds to 2 mins at best. Cause all I'm doing is trying to get #s. I don't even get to know them and barely compliment them. so I spent maybe in total 40 mins on those 25 girls which might have gotten me a date with a cute girl tomorrow.

40 mins spent man. And might have a date.
Try doing that through online dating or social circle etc.

40 mins would've just been a porn session for me.
they had boyfriends or they said they had boyfriends? its like the number one way to reject a guy lightly.
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Originally Posted By BetaThanU⏩
they had boyfriends or they said they had boyfriends? its like the number one way to reject a guy lightly.
Exactly, they could be lying.
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Originally Posted By BetaThanU⏩
they had boyfriends or they said they had boyfriends? its like the number one way to reject a guy lightly.
Both but who really cares tho.
Does Barry bonds care about the 750+ homeruns...or the almost 10,000 times he was at bat in his career?

Who gives a fuk about rejection
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