That's true, but like I said it would have failed either way for other reasons anyway

All you are doing is bringing up random chit to justify your crazy beliefs on this topic. Your ego is too strong to admit the truth, or you are just trolling. Fact is mindset can only help, you have no control over your environment, misfortunes or other people in this society. That is what this thread is about, is YOUR MINDSET DOES NOT GUARANTEE SUCCESS.

Your mindset puts you in the best possible position to win...period!

Dude, the irony in this post is breathtaking.

Brb, mindset is completely irrelevant as to whether someone succeeds or not
Brb, yeah, I sabotaged a romantic relationship because of a negative and counterproductive mindset
Brb, it doesn't matter though, because I would have still inevitably failed at it

Lol, ok bro.

1. I agree my mindset was poor in that situation
2. In this specific situation it wouldn't have mattered because I objectively suck at relationships with next to no experience.

Both of these are true and are compatible claims

Again that is all dependent on environment, people and other factors. It doesn't work for everyone.

Wrong! Weightlifting is very straightforward and a little research on the internet on his part would have told him that his friends were wrong and anyone can put muscle on bar some medical conditions and as a result if he starts lifting and making progress, eating right, and sleeping, he will put on muscle.If I'm walking down the sidewalk I can be fairly certain that I will be two steps ahead once i take the necessary motions to do so, and a black hole will not open up and consume me and the entire universe as an unforeseen result of my actions. On the other hand a stupid person with poor business sense and 100k inheritance can blow it on opening a useless business that provides no value and a positive mindset will only be harmful. a Gambler can have the greatest delusions of future success but its really all determined by his hand. A positive mindset does nothing and may only lead you in the wrong direction. If a clear cut path to take action is present a positive mindset can motivate you to follow it but no more, and less accurately than being realistic will. Overly positive and overly negative thinking are bad for the same reason which is that they are the byproduct of human emotion which is very faulty and unreliable, and both should be avoided.

https://youtu.be/B8rmi95pYL0

This is a good video that relates to the thread.

The key idea is, the typical person has an unrealistic optomism bias by default. People without that get called pessimistic but actually they are just realistic without the bias(such as myself)

No mate. You lack balls, so you take abstract talks like this to justify your own rot.

She tries to give you a balanced view of optimism/pessimism. At 8:30, she even suggests optimism is a precursor to success.

I was watching the below earlier. It reminded me of this thread, and it sums this discussion up accurately. It correlates with what I've heard from several rich guys; most people, especially unsuccessful ones, will not accept help or advice - even if they ask for it.

She gave both sides of it, the the core idea though is that the typical person has an optimism bias that has no basis in reality, and those who are more realistic appear negative realtive to that, but they're not negative they just dont have the bias

1. I agree my mindset was poor in that situation
2. In this specific situation it wouldn't have mattered because I objectively suck at relationships with next to no experience.

Both of these are true and are compatible claims

Wrong! Weightlifting is very straightforward and a little research on the internet on his part would have told him that his friends were wrong and anyone can put muscle on bar some medical conditions and as a result if he starts lifting and making progress, eating right, and sleeping, he will put on muscle.If I'm walking down the sidewalk I can be fairly certain that I will be two steps ahead once i take the necessary motions to do so, and a black hole will not open up and consume me and the entire universe as an unforeseen result of my actions. On the other hand a stupid person with poor business sense and 100k inheritance can blow it on opening a useless business that provides no value and a positive mindset will only be harmful. a Gambler can have the greatest delusions of future success but its really all determined by his hand. A positive mindset does nothing and may only lead you in the wrong direction. If a clear cut path to take action is present a positive mindset can motivate you to follow it but no more, and less accurately than being realistic will. Overly positive and overly negative thinking are bad for the same reason which is that they are the byproduct of human emotion which is very faulty and unreliable, and both should be avoided.

This thread's been going in circles for pages.

Talking technicalities is endless, and also pointless. If you can't improve your life, and you live in the west, are not physically deformed or mentally handicapped, then you have literally no one to blame but yourself. Not society or genetics.

I'd suggest you start learning military history, if you haven't already. There's some really good youtube channels on the subject now. There have been countless individuals in history who have achieved outrageous military feats in the face of death, often through mindset, strategy, and discipline. If those 1000s of examples don't give you a different outlook, then some *******s on a bb forum definitely won't. Good luck.

You do realize that some people end up marrying the first person they date, even today? First girl I dated fell hard, could have married her but there were massive red flags so I ended it.

Think Pondus might be right, your main problem, and why you're FA, might just be your attitude.

Talking technicalities is endless, and also pointless. If you can't improve your life, and you live in the west, are not physically deformed or mentally handicapped, then you have literally no one to blame but yourself. Not society or genetics.

Wrong! Weightlifting is very straightforward and a little research on the internet on his part would have told him that his friends were wrong and anyone can put muscle on bar some medical conditions and as a result if he starts lifting and making progress, eating right, and sleeping, he will put on muscle.If I'm walking down the sidewalk I can be fairly certain that I will be two steps ahead once i take the necessary motions to do so, and a black hole will not open up and consume me and the entire universe as an unforeseen result of my actions. On the other hand a stupid person with poor business sense and 100k inheritance can blow it on opening a useless business that provides no value and a positive mindset will only be harmful. a Gambler can have the greatest delusions of future success but its really all determined by his hand.A positive mindset does nothing and may only lead you in the wrong direction. If a clear cut path to take action is present a positive mindset can motivate you to follow it but no more, and less accurately than being realistic will. Overly positive and overly negative thinking are bad for the same reason which is that they are the byproduct of human emotion which is very faulty and unreliable, and both should be avoided.

Sure, like I said I clearly suck at relationships. Nobody is denying that.

But then why are you so focused on things you can't change, like height, face, etc? Focusing on attitude/mindset, and making just small improvements, so you can succeed when you find another girl who likes you, would be far more productive.

Because those things are the reason I cant even get laid by fat chicks.

But just like your relationship was gone fail either way...if you can’t change your face and height then why even think about it all? The result is the same I guess...

Where are the Straw Men? ****totypes are BS, they are generalizations of predispositions like hormone production/metabolism. If a skinny guy has a hard time putting on muscle, he has to eat more and lift heavier.

Its not rational for me to think about it all, but I do because I get horny and then have to remind myself why I should just go fap in a sock.

Its not rational for me to think about it all, but I do because I get horny and then have to remind myself why I should just go fap in a sock.

And somehow there were dumb, short, fat, ugly, broke, smelly guys all over the planet stuffin’ poon when you made this post.

You just keep proving why your realist mentality doesn’t work. You don’t even make an attempt to find a girl - you get horny, fap, then forget about women until you are horny again. No results other than your cum in a sock.

If only you had a different mindset, a positive one; where you understand that someone will find you attractive and instead of looking for a fuk buddy the second you get horny - you start talking and being friendly to EVERY person you meet but especially women. Old and young, 1/10’s and 10/10’s. Cashiers, coworkers, neighbors, random people you just happen to be around. It could be an off comment, small talk, a compliment, say something smart, but just let it happen. Each conversation is a task with no specified duration, no desired outcome other than engaging with another human. If the conversation flows, let it, and eventually your going to find a woman that wants to talk more, and eat together, and hang out, and you will make a friend that will let you put your penis in her vagina over and over and over and over again.

Step 1. Stop calling it cold approach.
Step 2. Talk to people.

you start talking and being friendly to EVERY person you meet but especially women. Old and young, 1/10’s and 10/10’s.

AYou just keep proving why your realist mentality doesn’t work. You don’t even make an attempt to find a girl

You can't just walk up to people and bother them dude. I never see this unless people are on a smoke break or something because it's acceptable then. You can't just start flirting with a cashier or some girl that works on a different floor than you at work lmao. If it was that easy 30% of men wouldn't have claimed to have no sex in 2018.

Numbers don't lie, but your "survivor bias" is quite deceiving.
Might as well believe in the law of attraction if you think that a certain mindset will directly make you successful in business or with women.

It's the hard truth that most people aren't willing to accept. It's much comforting to keep believing in a lie that gives some kind of false hope. Humans are optimistic by nature and will do anything to run away from the sometime sad reality of life.

Mindset doesn't just lack the ability to alter material reality, it lacks the ability to alter anything. It's pseudoscience created by copers for the specific purpose of coping with their lack of inherent ability. Also preached by celebrities who could really say anything and people would buy it - look up survivors bias. People love to be told success isn't about inherent ability, they love a rags to riches story. Same as people love to see a slightly above average celebrity hailed as a sex symbol. In the real world it's all about genetics in one way or another. You can't be really telling me a positive mindset is necessary to keep lifting when your beginner gains are exhausted. Lifting is one of the most highly researched topics out there, there's more information on lifting than anything. What's necessary is common sense and also not being a pussy. When it comes to uncharted territory like starting a business or pursuing something where you can't have your hand held the whole time there's no place for a positive mindset, only brutal honesty or you could wind up a lot of money in the red.



Meeting women in my opinion is similar, it does come down to looks. Lol at thinking that if bagel manlet watched one of these youtube speeches and got hyped up to approach a hundred women he would get different results. Of course this is an extreme example, but necessary otherwise its very easy to get correlation/causation mixed up.