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Thread: Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker discussion thread (Spoilers)

post 1594163541 12-24-2019, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
No. Go back and watch the OT. To this day, young kids still watch them and get hooked on Star Wars. You are completely wrong bro.

This was the end to a 4 year old "story" that was really just a huge cash grab. It was garbage, and nothing Disney has done with Star Wars is anywhere close to the quality of the OT.
Young kids =/= the majority of movie goers today. You just gonna act like the original trilogy was completely flawless? If you do, then you're a fool. It's simply not the case. People pretend to based on nostalgia. Yeah this new trilogy was a cash grab and mostly garbage, and it completely ruined Star Wars for me as well, but it was still fun to watch.
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
You just gonna act like the original trilogy was completely flawless? If you do, then you're a fool. It's simply not the case. People pretend to based on nostalgia.
when you nitpick I'm sure you can find things in the OG that are flawed, but I'm really curious to hear some big examples (srs)
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
I didn't think it was a great movie but it really beat my expectations. Not a great way to end the Skywalker story, but not the worst.

All the bad reviews and bad thoughts for sure have a point, but fuk it's a movie. People act like the original trilogy was perfectly made, if those came out today people would rip them apart. I thought the final battle could have been more well done - it didn't feel nearly as epic as the final Avengers battle, but it was still cool. Considering this was the end to a 30+ year story, I thought they could have been more lenient and just made it more epic.
"end to a 30+ year story"

not sure if srs, they managed to make the 6 movie spanning rise/fall/eventual redemption and sacrifice of Anakin Skywalker completely irrelevant and pointless. Same with Luke/Leia/Han, "they ded lmao".

Turns out losing not one, but two fuking Death Stars, a metric fukton of troops/equipment, getting thrown into a fuking reactor and having a Death Star explode in your face is really just a minor inconvenience, as you can just dust ott your robes and start chitting out starfleets and armies at a chill location.

But really, the general theme of the ST is to delete the past

- TFA took a dump on the OT, Luke/Leia/Han are mopey, lonely and miserable, or just completely missing altogether, also the Rebels apparently couldn't really do anything with the status quo for the last 30 years, seeing as they still suck, while the First Order managed to reboot the whole Empire thing, just bigger and better

- TLJ took a galaxy-scale dump on everything before it, including TFA (Snoke ded, Rey is a nobody, Finn really is a useless bumbling comedic relief etc), the Force, Luke (more like Jake Skymilker) and so on

- RoS took a dump on TLJ's "decisions" and included the OT+ST before it, just for good measure
post 1594164521 12-24-2019, 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted By TokenV⏩
when you nitpick I'm sure you can find things in the OG that are flawed, but I'm really curious to hear some big examples (srs)
Dude there are well known flaws. I'm not going to waste my time pointing them out to appease you.
Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
"end to a 30+ year story"

not sure if srs, they managed to make the 6 movie spanning rise/fall/eventual redemption and sacrifice of Anakin Skywalker completely irrelevant and pointless. Same with Luke/Leia/Han, "they ded lmao".

Turns out losing not one, but two fuking Death Stars, a metric fukton of troops/equipment, getting thrown into a fuking reactor and having a Death Star explode in your face is really just a minor inconvenience, as you can just dust ott your robes and start chitting out starfleets and armies at a chill location.

But really, the general theme of the ST is to delete the past

- TFA took a dump on the OT, Luke/Leia/Han are mopey, lonely and miserable, or just completely missing altogether, also the Rebels apparently couldn't really do anything with the status quo for the last 30 years, seeing as they still suck, while the First Order managed to reboot the whole Empire thing, just bigger and better

- TLJ took a galaxy-scale dump on everything before it, including TFA (Snoke ded, Rey is a nobody, Finn really is a useless bumbling comedic relief etc), the Force, Luke (more like Jake Skymilker) and so on

- RoS took a dump on TLJ's "decisions" and included the OT+ST before it, just for good measure
Did these new movies suck? Duh. But they ARE the factual end to the 30 year story. Whether you like or agree with that ending is up to you, but in the end if you don't... sucks to be you because this is the way they ended.
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post 1594164641 12-24-2019, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Young kids =/= the majority of movie goers today. You just gonna act like the original trilogy was completely flawless? If you do, then you're a fool. It's simply not the case. People pretend to based on nostalgia. Yeah this new trilogy was a cash grab and mostly garbage, and it completely ruined Star Wars for me as well, but it was still fun to watch.
It's flawed, but there are reasons ESB and ANH routinely make greatest film lists...
post 1594164671 12-24-2019, 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Dude there are well known flaws. I'm not going to waste my time pointing them out to appease you.



Did these new movies suck? Duh. But they ARE the factual end to the 30 year story. Whether you like or agree with that ending is up to you, but in the end if you don't... sucks to be you because this is the way they ended.
No. SW ended when revenge of the sith came out. Anything Disney made is not Star Wars.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
It's flawed, but there are reasons ESB and ANH routinely make greatest film lists...
Nostalgia and being a game changer. You really gonna act like George Lucas is one of the greatest film makers of the decade?
Originally Posted By wincel⏩
No. SW ended when revenge of the sith came out. Anything Disney made is not Star Wars.
Sorry dude, but that's factually false. If that doesn't make you happy... too bad.
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post 1594165001 12-24-2019, 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Nostalgia and being a game changer. You really gonna act like George Lucas is one of the greatest film makers of the decade?
not sure why you mention decade but looking at a century of movies Lucas has a significant place up there, especially when you narrow it down to sci-fi
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Originally Posted By TokenV⏩
not sure why you mention decade but looking at a century of movies Lucas has a significant place up there, especially when you narrow it down to sci-fi
Because decade is more factually accurate than century?

Fuk man never thought misc had so many star wars nerds. At the end of the day.. who fukin cares. This chit is over with. If you don't like it - too bad.
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Young kids =/= the majority of movie goers today. You just gonna act like the original trilogy was completely flawless? If you do, then you're a fool. It's simply not the case. People pretend to based on nostalgia. Yeah this new trilogy was a cash grab and mostly garbage, and it completely ruined Star Wars for me as well, but it was still fun to watch.
absolutely flawless? no, but the Disnet trilogy is riddled with plot holes in almost every single scene, has NO vision or purpose, and has ZERO character development.

Brah, if you cant tell the difference then i sincerely dont know what to say to you. Theres a reason the originals grab people by the heart and throws the key away and why no one will give a single fuk about the ST in 5 years.
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Because decade is more factually accurate than century?

Fuk man never thought misc had so many star wars nerds. At the end of the day.. who fukin cares. This chit is over with. If you don't like it - too bad.
- American Graffiti
- Star Wars Episodes 4-6 (i personally think the prequels are great as well but i wont include them here since some people cant get over Jar Jar)
- Raiders of the Lost Ark and The Last Crusade

Dude made a great standalone movie and then two of the greatest franchises of all time. Show me how many other filmmakers have that sort of resume. Spielberg? Who else?

Sure there are guys like Scorsese and Nolan who make tons of great solo movies (Nolan also a trilogy) but to be the head of two all time great franchises put Lucas in a very very special place in hollywood history. And in 100 years when you are telling the story of filmmaking you wont be able to tell it without George Lucas. He is the Tolkien of film.
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post 1594167401 12-24-2019, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
Thing about Marvel/DC is that even they know some comic book plotlines and content won't adapt to the big screen. I've pointed out how there's a version of Hulk who can rip dimensions or some chit. Completely ridiculous and something that should never leave an $8.99 comic book. Star Wars started doing this crap where characters were many times more powerful than you saw on the show, and just about every plotline/force power you can think of was written about.

That's why KOTOR is so solid. It wasn't born out of need to make something novel with characters we've known for 40 years. No need to make Leia a jedi or Luke a bounty hunter or whatever.
Going with KOTOR is really the only way forward for new trilogies in the SW universe. They completely ruined any chance of a post-OT path to new movies now that they turned everything up to an 11. Anakin is the chosen one? Syke, Wonder-Rey is. The Death Star is the ultimate threat? Syke, heres 10,000 ships with freakin death star lasers attached to their heads.

Anakin was the one that FINALLY brought balance to the force. That should be it, thats the end. Theres nothing interesting to be done after Vaders sacrifice. But, theres endless content to be done before all that.

A KOTOR saga frees you from the restraints of beloved older characters and plot lines and you dont have to raise the stakes beyond a Death Star.

My wet dream would be to wake up one morning and read that Christopher Nolan has signed on to do a KOTOR trilogy with Keanu Reeves playing Revan.
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Because decade is more factually accurate than century?

Fuk man never thought misc had so many star wars nerds. At the end of the day.. who fukin cares. This chit is over with. If you don't like it - too bad.
Misc traffic is almost dead so we have a thread that is not even 10 pages, the 2015 star wars had misc thread that was up to 200+ pages, of course misc is full of star wars nerds. Which i am one and think disney star wars is garbage. Same company that did justice to marvel, ruined star wars franchise. Dont come to me with movie dollara, the toy sales are beyond awful and theme park few visitors to star wars.
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Originally Posted By JaxBrah⏩
- American Graffiti
- Star Wars Episodes 4-6 (i personally think the prequels are great as well but i wont include them here since some people cant get over Jar Jar)
- Raiders of the Lost Ark and The Last Crusade

Dude made a great standalone movie and then two of the greatest franchises of all time. Show me how many other filmmakers have that sort of resume. Spielberg? Who else?

Sure there are guys like Scorsese and Nolan who make tons of great solo movies (Nolan also a trilogy) but to be the head of two all time great franchises put Lucas in a very very special place in hollywood history. And in 100 years when you are telling the story of filmmaking you wont be able to tell it without George Lucas. He is the Tolkien of film.
I love lucas for giving us the original star wars, but lets also not pretend that there is no star wars without akira kurosawa, lucas borrowed too much from Hidden Fortress.
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Originally Posted By nkiritsis13⏩
Comic book garbage being the operative words.
It reminds me alot of anime. Just macguffins and deus ex machina galore.

Making rules up on the fly to get characters out of bad situations
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Originally Posted By HomerJThompson⏩
I love lucas for giving us the original star wars, but lets also not pretend that there is no star wars without akira kurosawa, lucas borrowed too much from Hidden Fortress.
he borrowed from a ton of sources but clearly he did something better than all the sources he borrowed from. Hes still a legend.

Lets also not pretend Kurosawa didnt borrow a ton from ancient greek stories as well. Kurosawa was also heavily influenced by John Ford

In fact, Kurosawa was so heavily influenced by western directors that he was actually not well regarded at all in Japan until late in his career when he had already gained such respect in the west
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I don't know how anyone can have such bad taste as to be into Star Wars. Anything but the original three has been a cash grab. Especially in the past 5 or 6 years. It's terrible writing. Very little practical effects. It's literallly Disney cashing in on a name. I consider Prometheus to be a better sci fi movie than anything Star Wars had done in the past 25 years.
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Mark Hamill AKA Luke Skywalker tried to warn everyone. You can tell he's unhappy with what starwars has become.
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Originally Posted By mrvideotapes⏩
I went to see it with my 65 year-old father. He doesn't like Sci-fi and typically, only watches movies about WWII. After the this he said "If they can heal each other, then why didn't Anakin heal Padme?"
lol seriously. Yoda, Kenobi, Anakin...all top tier Jedi didn't use the force to heel any of the people who died over the course of the original 6. But now two kids who are complete force newbies can do it? WTF.
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So the OT has to be perfect in order to criticise any other movies? I don't think so. The degree of flaw present in 8 & 9 is insanity. Chris Nolan's school projects were better written.

This really highlights how much good production can cover up a chit story. If you simply have the attention span to keep track of whats happening in 15 minute intervals then episode 9 contradicts itself. It doesn't even need 8 to be a fuk up. At least the other movies had debatable contradictions on the scale of the whole story, not within themselves, and not within the same micro-plots ayy lmao.

Rey is palpatine's daughter and force connected to ben solo because he's connected to palpatine, but she doesn't know about palpatine wtf. If this whole time she's been playing make believe with the resistance while knowing she was his daughter, then that's some chit tier cowardice and I don't think that was an intended effect by the writers....
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Rey is so overpowered Jesus Christ. Luke was supposed to be the chosen one but this bish force powers after a couple of years of training blows him out of the water. Her healing and mind control are also crazy



It felt like just another Star Wars movie, people overrate the OG trilogy. All of them have the same premise, someone is secretly related to someone else, they have to destroy this big laser gun that obliterates planets, throw in some cheesy cliches about the force. Rinse repeat


They need to make a rated R Star Wars movie, like they did with Logan
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Originally Posted By Swept⏩
They need to make a rated R Star Wars movie, like they did with Logan
lol, Imagine Chewbacca ripping a Stormtroopers head off and blood splattering everywhere.
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So all those massive city-sized ships that came out if the ground, they had the thousands of people in them just sitting there waiting? How is the place secret if it had to hire like a million mechanics and soldiers to man those ships?
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Went to see it with my daughter. She enjoyed it, I enjoyed it with her. If you don't get too invested in whatever heated discussion and over analysis is happening with Star Wars on the internet, then the movie is just fine.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
It's flawed, but there are reasons ESB and ANH routinely make greatest film lists...
Flawed,but magic. There are no more scrutinised films in the last 30+ years than SW. Those hold up.

Interesting how the "magic" disappeared the more they started relying more & more on the force being a superpower (Marvel... SW shouldn't be Marvel) that can do whatever lazy writers want.

It was a sideline, a punchline in the OG films. Some people didn't even believe it. It was quaint little touch & it worked. But kids wanted to be Han or Chewie just as much because force or not, Han & CHewie could affect the galaxy as much as Luke... and by extension every gun-runner, bounty hunter, ex soldier, con man, well connected diplomat etc ALL ALSO feel like they can have an effect on the galaxy, whoever they are. It feels like a dynamic world where YOUR actions, or inaction, or luck or any myriad of things can tip the balance. It's vast. That makes in chaotic. But you're all small fish.

By now the Force is god-tier & only 2 families in all the galaxies actually matter. That's a big, boring shift in the way the audience perceives the world.
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Originally Posted By JewishSuperHero⏩
So at the end of the movie Rey goes back to Luke’s homestead on Tatooine. Umm... why is it on perfect condition? It got burned down by the stormtroopers in 45 minutes into the very first movie.
seriously guys.. someone answer this. i missed this when i watched it also but now its bothering the **** out of me lol. i've already come to terms with all the plot holes introduced with episode 9 but this chit right here might make me lose sleep lmao.

i need a quote from JJ explaining this oversight
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Originally Posted By blakus_javus⏩
Flawed,but magic. There are no more scrutinised films in the last 30+ years than SW. Those hold up.

Interesting how the "magic" disappeared the more they started relying more & more on the force being a superpower (Marvel... SW shouldn't be Marvel) that can do whatever lazy writers want.

It was a sideline, a punchline in the OG films. Some people didn't even believe it. It was quaint little touch & it worked. But kids wanted to be Han or Chewie just as much because force or not, Han & CHewie could affect the galaxy as much as Luke... and by extension every gun-runner, bounty hunter, ex soldier, con man, well connected diplomat etc ALL ALSO feel like they can have an effect on the galaxy, whoever they are. It feels like a dynamic world where YOUR actions, or inaction, or luck or any myriad of things can tip the balance. It's vast. That makes in chaotic. But you're all small fish.

By now the Force is god-tier & only 2 families in all the galaxies actually matter. That's a big, boring shift in the way the audience perceives the world.
And to top it off, the two main characters that are so exclusive put in no work for what they are.
This movie is a reflection of modern day mentality. Snap your fingers and stuff happens. Throw your saber in the ocean and have no thought that you may need it later, - another saber just appears in your hand just when you need it.

There is a power creep, and no work or suffering - which means no character progression - which means no actual sensation of reward or consequence.
You can heal, revive, and manipulate time and space at your convenience as you see fit.
This is seen in many modern day movies. Would love to chat to some kids and see what they thought of it. This is why the movies are ‘separate’ from one another. Dont even need to watch the prior two to grasp this one.

I wont even get into the star wars nerd aspect of things in the movie and plotholes galore
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Terrible, horrible, dumb movie.
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Because decade is more factually accurate than century?

Fuk man never thought misc had so many star wars nerds. At the end of the day.. who fukin cares. This chit is over with. If you don't like it - too bad.
Yet here you are, complaining about people complaining it.

I mean it's only the biggest franchise ever created, spawned off of 3 of the most beloved and highly regarded movies of all time across multiple generations. That inspired thousands of writers and artists to build up the extended universe. A franchise that rakes in billions and smashes records half a century after the original movies, even despite the terrible prequels and spinoffs. But you're right no one cares

People keep coming back to star wars, even after disappointment after disappointment. That's testament to how powerful the OT really was, and the themes it represents.
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What drives me crazy is they can't even get the little things right with these movies.
1. Rey still carries her staff around even though she has a friggin light saber. What moron decided that was a necessary part of her costume?
2. When BB8 is hacking the Star Destroyer in the end battle Finn is literally kneeling in a wide open space with storm troopers everywhere and never gets shot. Can we at least even a remote sense of danger in any fight. How you going to be totally unconcerned standing in the wide open during a firefight.
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