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Thread: Just realized that i cant be monogamous (srs thread)(epiphany)(dating 9/10 hbb pics)

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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
So a stay at home daughter who works for the family business? No judgment, just trying to get a feel for what your ideal vision here is.
Yes, i suppose that would be ideal. A woman that her life's goal is to build a family and have kids with a good man, instead of building a career or making her own money to become independent and all that modern woman BS.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Because you come from a traditional generation man. It wasnt a thing, i too was raised with those beliefs, "a man having multiple women? Thats outrageous". Thats where marriage contracts come into play, goverment comes into play, allowances, divorce settlements, etc, the entire concept of marriage and logistics behind it are to ENFORCE monogamy onto us, because the elites realized centuries ago that having a degenerate society, as natural as it may be, wasnt benefitting to it, and was holding us back. Add to that religion which was much more influential the last century than it has been on the XXI and of course, its a rare thing for your generation. Even mine.


I just think thats going to change real soon. History doesnt repeat, but it rhymes. Humanity has gone trough the same cycle multiple times, and social media basically forced that change in direction to our younger generations, so i feel pretty confident of whats to come.


Your last question is a great one. You put me in the spot, and as ive been raised with your same values, i really dont know how id react. You have a daughter right? I assume you want for her exactly what you gave your wife?

Dont want to be a douchebag about it and take it personal, but i hope shes lucky enough to find a guy like you, srs. Most high value men nowadays dont share your values, only pretend to.
First off great conversation and I take none of this personal because you are not making it personal....its all productive bro!

1. You have used my "generation" angle a few times in our exchanges. Its a little contradictory since you are from a different "generation" but at the same post say you were raised "traditional" So which one is it? Does the generation influence you or the traditions instilled by your family?

2. I do agree with you that humans as an animal were not meant to be monogamous. Its a contract society puts on us. But guess what....there are a ton of contracts society puts on you that you do even though its not coded in your DNA. Ultimately you make the decision based on whats important to you......i knew exactly what I was stepping into.....the give and the take. As I said, good luck finding a woman that will be cool with that. If you do, then you are golden right?

3. I dont think that social fabric is changing anytime soon. What you are proposing would take a ton of maturity and logical thinking from everyone. If anything. things are going the opposite direction.

4. I dont have a daughter....but if my father did that to my mother....I would either think my father was a douche and i would lose respect for my mother for putting up with it. (my mom was born in a very high social class back in her country)

Bottom line....what you are feeling is absolutely normal. I went through the whole same thought processes in my late 20's and 30's. I'll never get married....why would i ever? There is too much upside living this lifestyle...etc. Then you get older and my priorities shifted. Maybe yours will.....maybe they wont.
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Originally Posted By Evolutionary1⏩
Why'd you make the thread if you already have everything figured out?

Ego boost?

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I dont have anything figured out, and this isnt an ego boost, in fact the opposite. Before this i thought of myself as a man that coud ignore his natural instincts and actually behave with integrity and righteousness, be loyal, stay monogamous, etc.

Now i dont think im that special, im just a human being like everyone else that could fall weak to his instincts in any given tuesday
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
No I was not personally close to them because I only saw the facade of successful family life wife and kids etc. Only once I looked into what my ex was doing did I find out their private activities.

Yes some of these guys were multi millionaires, one sold his business for $70 million, one had a very successful ongoing business and multiple multi million dollar homes etc

Have you considered that maybe your wealthy friends don’t tell you what they are up to in private? They would know you’ll disapprove so maybe that’s why they don’t share it with you.

You never really know what people are up to behind closed doors. I got a glimpse of that world through my detective work but on the outside to everyone else these guys look like successful family men with perfect family life in their mansions. It’s a facade.
Wait a minute.....I am not quite sure what we are discussing here. The only thing I addressed to you is that I was pretty sure you didnt have "close friends" worth 8 figures plus and you have acknowledge that. Just acquaintances.

I do have close friends worth that much and also close colleagues (i dont consider them friends but we do spend A LOT of time together travelling for business). What do you think my position is? To make it clear to you.....some cheat and some dont. Are you insinuating that all of them do? And maybe you are right....maybe some of them have put on such a good facade that I dont see it. But I havent and dont plan to cheat on my wife so I know for a fact not ALL do.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Yes, i suppose that would be ideal. A woman that her life's goal is to build a family and have kids with a good man, instead of building a career or making her own money to become independent and all that modern woman BS.
Read this multiple times. You want a good looking woman, with a life goal of building a family and having kids, comes from a family where her father was an entrepreneur and he taught her the ropes of business and life......Id also assume you'd want her father and mother to be good people (not trash), taught her good morals, high values etc......AND be cool with you banging other chicks because you have urges. That about sums it up right?

Good luck with that bro.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Now i dont think im that special, im just a human being like everyone else that could fall weak to his instincts in any given tuesday
It's your choice to be disciplined and loyal, or not.

Your instincts will merely challenge that. You don't have to concede; sometimes I feel like you're basically admitting to not being able to resist.
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Originally Posted By donblaximus⏩
First off great conversation and I take none of this personal because you are not making it personal....its all productive bro!

1. You have used my "generation" angle a few times in our exchanges. Its a little contradictory since you are from a different "generation" but at the same post say you were raised "traditional" So which one is it? Does the generation influence you or the traditions instilled by your family?

2. I do agree with you that humans as an animal were not meant to be monogamous. Its a contract society puts on us. But guess what....there are a ton of contracts society puts on you that you do even though its not coded in your DNA. Ultimately you make the decision based on whats important to you......i knew exactly what I was stepping into.....the give and the take. As I said, good luck finding a woman that will be cool with that. If you do, then you are golden right?

3. I dont think that social fabric is changing anytime soon. What you are proposing would take a ton of maturity and logical thinking from everyone. If anything. things are going the opposite direction.

4. I dont have a daughter....but if my father did that to my mother....I would either think my father was a douche and i would lose respect for my mother for putting up with it. (my mom was born in a very high social class back in her country)

Bottom line....what you are feeling is absolutely normal. I went through the whole same thought processes in my late 20's and 30's. I'll never get married....why would i ever? There is too much upside living this lifestyle...etc. Then you get older and my priorities shifted. Maybe yours will.....maybe they wont.
1) you are in your 40's right? Im 30, so we arent that far off. I was born on the early 90s, you are probably late 70's right? We were raised basically under the same values. A traditional and religion minded society, enforcing monogamy onto us by school, goverment and the church.

This is changing right now man, and it all started with social media. Generation Z is NOT being raised with the values that you and i were raised. Religion is basically considered another Harry Potter story nowadays, in school things are anything but conservative, kids are being taught about multiple genders, homosexuality and stuff like that, and media is for some reason pushing that narrative even further to the younger generation.

Its just the perfect storm.


2) Ultimately its all a choice. Paying taxes isnt natural but its for the sake of society, its just what it is. Naturally some dynamics will change trough the decades, and i believe marriage and relationships are one of those

3) We can only wait and see


4) Fair enough. I think i havent reached my highest value yet, probably in 4 or 5 years i will, so maybe i will just wait it out and take this out of my system until im more mature to settle down. I dont know, after all ive changed a lot the last 5 years, maybe i go trough a similar change in the next 5.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Yes, i suppose that would be ideal. A woman that her life's goal is to build a family and have kids with a good man, instead of building a career or making her own money to become independent and all that modern woman BS.
I can understand where you're coming from. So FWIW, I come from that type of background, and fathers do not allow their daughters to marry men who are not also chaste. I want you to be happy and to reach your family goals, and I also think you're going to really struggle with your plan - but I hope not!
Originally Posted By donblaximus⏩
Read this multiple times. You want a good looking woman, with a life goal of building a family and having kids, comes from a family where her father was an entrepreneur and he taught her the ropes of business and life......Id also assume you'd want her father and mother to be good people (not trash), taught her good morals, high values etc......AND be cool with you banging other chicks because you have urges. That about sums it up right?

Good luck with that bro.
Josh Duggar has entered the chat. Sometimes that's the goal, you get an uneducated woman with no opportunities to make a living for herself, then you get to run around on her because she has no other options. What's she gonna do, leave him with her School of the Dining Room Table degree?
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Originally Posted By donblaximus⏩
Read this multiple times. You want a good looking woman, with a life goal of building a family and having kids, comes from a family where her father was an entrepreneur and he taught her the ropes of business and life......Id also assume you'd want her father and mother to be good people (not trash), taught her good morals, high values etc......AND be cool with you banging other chicks because you have urges. That about sums it up right?

Good luck with that bro.
Lol yeah. Girls like that exist, and men like me get them all the time, they just arent open about it, so they just do their thing without the wife knowing about it. I think thats part of the problem, nobody is honest right now because they know they cant get away with it.
Originally Posted By Luc1fer⏩
It's your choice to be disciplined and loyal, or not.

Your instincts will merely challenge that. You don't have to concede; sometimes I feel like you're basically admitting to not being able to resist.
i think thats exactly what im saying man, im admitting im not strong enough to resist urges, and in fact, im slowly starting to think that i really shouldnt resist anything, and theres nothing wrong with what i want.

Its only wrong to lie and do things behind closed doors.
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
I can understand where you're coming from. So FWIW, I come from that type of background, and fathers do not allow their daughters to marry men who are not also chaste. I want you to be happy and to reach your family goals, and I also think you're going to really struggle with your plan - but I hope not!
But i dont have a plan. This thread is just a brainstorm, im trying to figure **** out.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
But i dont have a plan. This thread is just a brainstorm, im trying to figure **** out.
Ah, got it!
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
in fact, im slowly starting to think that i really shouldnt resist anything, and theres nothing wrong with what i want.

Its only wrong to lie and do things behind closed doors.
I think you'll regret that. Tbh I resist too much sometimes, so I have the opposite problem to most and I'm trying to be a bit more impulsive.

If I resisted nothing, I'd lose my integrity.

Now, you could argue "but why be tied by your sense of integrity" -- but that is a losing war imo. It's part of my identity.

I will give you credit, you never propose lying. So I think you are a person of decent integrity - and just struggling with what level to maintain it.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Lol yeah. Girls like that exist, and men like me get them all the time, they just arent open about it, so they just do their thing without the wife knowing about it. I think thats part of the problem, nobody is honest right now because they know they cant get away with it.
Wow ok.....then I guess you are on a different league. I didnt know they were that abundant.....I say that because you say you get them all the time which means there are quite a few out there. I got married when I was 37. I met my now wife when I was 32. I started dating when I was 16. In 16 years I only met 1 woman with all the things I thought were important in a wife.....and I married her. Now Im no brad pitt so maybe thats why it took me 16 years to find that one girl.......and maybe i have been lying to myself.....but most girls (great looking ones included).....you dont even have to dig too deep to find poop/trash. Most people are straight trash.....and that unfortunately is the truth.
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Originally Posted By donblaximus⏩
Wow ok.....then I guess you are on a different league. I didnt know they were that abundant.....I say that because you say you get them all the time which means there are quite a few out there. I got married when I was 37. I met my now wife when I was 32. I started dating when I was 16. In 16 years I only met 1 woman with all the things I thought were important in a wife.....and I married her. Now Im no brad pitt so maybe thats why it took me 16 years to find that one girl.......and maybe i have been lying to myself.....but most girls (great looking ones included).....you dont even have to dig too deep to find poop/trash. Most people are straight trash.....and that unfortunately is the truth.
No i didn’t say I get them all the time, those girls are extremely rare. I said that men like me do end up with women like that often, but are never really open about polygamy.


And yes, most people are trash indeed
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Yes, i suppose that would be ideal. A woman that her life's goal is to build a family and have kids with a good man, instead of building a career or making her own money to become independent and all that modern woman BS.
Ken I've got to ask as you've alluded before that you're well off, have you made this said wealth from your own work, or risen from family backing in the same manner that you'd like your future wife to come from - working for her father?

If you can't answer that it's cool, I think is badass to be rich either way. That's why I play Powerball a lot.
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
No I was not personally close to them because I only saw the facade of successful family life wife and kids etc. Only once I looked into what my ex was doing did I find out their private activities.

Yes some of these guys were multi millionaires, one sold his business for $70 million, one had a very successful ongoing business and multiple multi million dollar homes etc

Have you considered that maybe your wealthy friends don’t tell you what they are up to in private? They would know you’ll disapprove so maybe that’s why they don’t share it with you.

You never really know what people are up to behind closed doors. I got a glimpse of that world through my detective work but on the outside to everyone else these guys look like successful family men with perfect family life in their mansions. It’s a facade.
Your closest friends will always tell you, what they are up to, specially if they are cheating regardless of how successful they are. Again, its about knowing these people on a personal lvl, which you don't.

Wtf is detective work? Stalking ppl on social media @50years old?Fking loser



So stubborn and annoying Dumb fking bitch
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Originally Posted By donblaximus⏩
Read this multiple times. You want a good looking woman, with a life goal of building a family and having kids, comes from a family where her father was an entrepreneur and he taught her the ropes of business and life......Id also assume you'd want her father and mother to be good people (not trash), taught her good morals, high values etc......AND be cool with you banging other chicks because you have urges. That about sums it up right?

Good luck with that bro.
Yeah - I haven't read most of this thread, but I get the impression that's the case. It's not reasonable and that sort of thing is the equivalent of the male version of the twats getting called out by for wanting it all and not having to "settle".

IF marriage and having a family is what you genuinely have a very strong desire for, then...you need to figure out where your priorities lie because you have conflicting desires that aren't realistic. Maybe in Ancient Rome or somewhere you could have had both of those things, but that's not the world now - and it's shytty to your children if you have them and then go around banging other stuff on the side. Beyond the unreasonable ideal woman who is also okay with you "cheating" thing, it's ultimately also shytty to your kids. Dad's out banging other women while the practically archetypal ideal women is at home being a "perfect" mother and wife is a disservice to them and can likely fuk them up and cause major resentment towards you if they become aware.
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Have some self control and self respect u degenerate fuk
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[QUOTE=Ken-O;1662538113]
Yes, sounds like im bragging, maybe i am, but the point of this thread isnt that. /QUOTE]I was rolling down the highway in my sherman tank, with a couple of fat bands of cash stowed next to me in my designer leather bag, and I started thinking about life. Is it really about the diamond necklace and matching tennis bracelet? Or the high rise beach front apartment complexes I own? Or is there something more to life than money and bitches? I may never know since the memento mori bull **** never really interested me. But yeah, sometimes I don't really know what to do with so many designer clothes stuffed into my closet, and all those fancy shoes.
Lots of quality people lavishing me with attention and willing to give it all up for me. Why I would want them to is a mystery but hey, this is the misc, it doesn't have to make sense as long as I sound like an a$$hole at the end of the day.
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Originally Posted By MegaSloot⏩
Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Yes, sounds like im bragging, maybe i am, but the point of this thread isnt that.
I was rolling down the highway in my sherman tank, with a couple of fat bands of cash stowed next to me in my designer leather bag, and I started thinking about life. Is it really about the diamond necklace and matching tennis bracelet? Or the high rise beach front apartment complexes I own? Or is there something more to life than money and bitches? I may never know since the memento mori bull **** never really interested me. But yeah, sometimes I don't really know what to do with so many designer clothes stuffed into my closet, and all those fancy shoes.
Lots of quality people lavishing me with attention and willing to give it all up for me. Why I would want them to is a mystery but hey, this is the misc, it doesn't have to make sense as long as I sound like an a$$hole at the end of the day.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
No i didn’t say I get them all the time, those girls are extremely rare. I said that men like me do end up with women like that often, but are never really open about polygamy.


And yes, most people are trash indeed
Listen you probably won't listen me, so I'm gonna try to keep this as short as possible

In my mid twenties I was in a relationship for a year, always been a slayer since med teens, and this girl was everything, half columbian/scandivian. Smart good with money, super intelligent, obedient with good values.

Broke up because I was relatively young and wanted travel and fk around, which I did rcked up 200+ bodies since then traveled to 6 countries. At the end of the day I still miss her and all the girls I've fked I have nothing to show for it expect from a pat on the back from my closest friends/acquaintances calling you a slayer/player.

In the long run you will get tired and everything feels different and not in a good way.


Don't take her for granted, not sure how long you've been dating her, the urge to fk other girls will always be there, you just have to find a way to controll it. If she did the same even bringing it up with you how would that make you feel? Angry/jealous/disrespected even betrayed I imagine.



And if you decide to cheat just don't get caught, keep to urself and deny if you get accused, even if ur at gunpoint. Or in your deathbed
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
No i didn’t say I get them all the time, those girls are extremely rare. I said that men like me do end up with women like that often, but are never really open about polygamy.


And yes, most people are trash indeed
Again.....something doesnt quite add up. If you agree these girls are rare.....but you also say men like you end up with women like that "often".....then why are you settling for an Instagram sloot that put her lingerie pictures on the internet and then having to have the conversation with her to chagne her lifestyle so you would be comfortable being with her. that would seem like a step down to me.

From my experience......no man is with women like this often......since they just simply dont exist in the wild in abundance.
I do agree good looking high value men get to bang good looking women that are straight trash....but not many if any I would consider marriage material.
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Originally Posted By jeshelton⏩
Ken I've got to ask as you've alluded before that you're well off, have you made this said wealth from your own work, or risen from family backing in the same manner that you'd like your future wife to come from - working for her father?

If you can't answer that it's cool, I think is badass to be rich either way. That's why I play Powerball a lot.
First there needs to be more specifics......since well off, nice girl.....good looking.....can all mean different things to different people.
To me well off = minimum 8 figure worth. Is this what we are talking about here?
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
I believe you that you don’t cheat srs

I just don’t think that is typical. I think the majority of men with a lot of good options (whether because of their looks or their wealth or status or whatever) eventually cheat. I think true life long loyalty is extremely rare.
Are you open to the fact that the people you surround yourself with drive your sense of what the world is? You got cheated on. That sucks....im sorry.
One character trait of high value individuals is discipline. That is what helps some of these people resist the urge.
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Originally Posted By donblaximus⏩
Again.....something doesnt quite add up. If you agree these girls are rare.....but you also say men like you end up with women like that "often".....then why are you settling for an Instagram sloot that put her lingerie pictures on the internet and then having to have the conversation with her to chagne her lifestyle so you would be comfortable being with her. that would seem like a step down to me.
Agreed, 50k IG followers is a red flag. Deleting it after meeting me, and claiming to be over it -- arguably another red flag due to volatility.

Women like this are like chameleons, they mirror convincingly.

She's still the same girl that had 50k followers for attention not long ago.
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Originally Posted By Luc1fer⏩
Agreed, 50k IG followers is a red flag. Deleting it after meeting me, and claiming to be over it -- arguably another red flag due to volatility.

Women like this are like chameleons, they mirror convincingly.

She's still the same girl that had 50k followers for attention not long ago.
Yup....easy read that wouldnt take more than 5 mins of thought. now would I kick her to the curb? No. Have fun........but no way would I consider marrying her if I had options, a high net worth and strong values. Not even close.

On the other hand my wife was engaged to a guy from a very rich family. His dad bought them a $2.5M house in California cash before the wedding. They put both of their names on title. They broke up before the wedding (I didnt ask but can assume). She didnt go after any money from the sell of the house. She could have easily gotten half.
She told me "that wasnt my house, I didnt contribute any money to it nor did i work for it. Even though I dislike the guy(ex), im not going to screw his parents over like that"

That was a unicorn answer IMO.
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
No because some people I saw cheating were highly successful in business. They are disciplined as to working hard but they also play hard. AND they keep a loving wife and kids comfortably taken care of. They cheat with escorts or paid sugar babies etc to minimize risk.

I think you’re just naive srs
Your problem is you are incapable of thinking about things in multiple layers. Read what I wrote. "one character of high value individuals is discipline". IE there are other characteristics that make or break you.

Additionally ...Just because you are wealthy does not make you high value. It goes well beyond that. As example, I also know many wealthy people that are also obese. That to me excludes them from being high value.......they dont have the self respect and balance to take care of themselves.

If you examine someone who has all their chit together = great relationships with friends and family, well respected amongst their peers, in good shape and health, have good business ethics and adds value......a common trait would be discipline, empathy, charisma, and a good heart.

I dont believe I am being Naive because I agreed.....many many people cheat. What I believe is happening here is our definitions are not in alignment. I am specifically speaking on high value people. You on the other hand are speaking on people with money. Two different things.
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