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Thread: Official Russia vs Ukraine Thread V- The winter is coming: A tale of stupid sanctions

post 1668026843 09-17-2022, 11:28 AM
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Seems the Wagner Group has been working double time at the gulags.

With a sells pitch like this
"Nobody goes back behind bars," Prigozhin told inmates according to The Wall Street Journal's Yaroslav Trofimov. "If you serve six months, you are free. If you arrive in Ukraine and decide it's not for you, we execute you."

Prigozhin reportedly went on to say that he could not give any "guarantees" but pointed out that "only two other people can get you out of here, God and Allah, and they’ll do it in a wooden coffin."
who can refuse?
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Originally Posted By NKWulf⏩
Seems the Wagner Group has been working double time at the gulags.

With a sells pitch like this who can refuse?
That's based af tbh.
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One of the exhumed bodies was wearing this NSFW SCROLL DOWN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE

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Originally Posted By Kane_89⏩
Putin is very rapidly losing both hard and soft power. After getting routed by Ukraine with no response, countries smell blood in the water and no longer fear Russia.

- China and India clearly sees a weak Russia. Both Xi and Modi this week publicly talked down to Putin like he's some low status peon.

- Internal factions and public figures inside Russia getting bold enough to openly call for Putin's resignation/overthrow. Terrorist attacks increasing inside the country. A once stable Russia, is now unstable.

- Putin losing his grip over the former USSR countries he had major influence in, they're descending into chaos and defiance. Kazakhstan openly becoming hostile towards Russia and Xi warning Putin to stay out of Kazakhstan's affairs. Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan clashing

At the same time America's soft power is rapidly increasing. The world sees Russia's military getting decimated with only a tiny fraction of the U.S. Defense budget and now some countries are realizing that the United States military is more powerful than they thought. When countries realize that no one can challenge the United States, policies are created by those countries that are more favorable to the U.S. and our interest, which increases our influence/power in the world.
Ummm...Afghans falling off of a C-17 is what the world sees about the US military.


20 years with nothing to show. China is about to eat our lunch.
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Originally Posted By dusky99⏩
One of the exhumed bodies was wearing this NSFW SCROLL DOWN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE
a blue and yellow live strong esque bracelet?
Great MAGA King status

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Originally Posted By NKWulf⏩
Seems the Wagner Group has been working double time at the gulags.

With a sells pitch like this who can refuse?
Meh...just send in Ghost of Kyiv or Miss Ukraine sniper.


Which are both as believable as the BS article you posted.
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Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
Meh...just send in Ghost of Kyiv or Miss Ukraine sniper.


Which are both as believable as the BS article you posted.
Prigozin's recruitment speech in a Russian prison, with subtitles.


https://streamable.com/6rk2b5


Full transcript:

Spoiler!
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Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
Meh...just send in Ghost of Kyiv or Miss Ukraine sniper.


Which are both as believable as the BS article you posted.
okay...https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/16/w...ine-video.htmlhere is a video of him doing it. Believe what you want to believe makes no difference to me.
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Damn that vid is some Stalingrad tier NKVD chit. I'd take the deal if I were in jail for 30 yrs tho.
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
Prigozin's recruitment speech in a Russian prison, with subtitles.


https://streamable.com/6rk2b5


Full transcript:

Spoiler!
No lie, I'd be like "sign me up".

No lie, except the one's with issues following orders, they can make good troops. Probably in good physical condition. Already exposed to violence, not going to be scared easily. Many of them very capable of violence. A lot of motivation because it's not like you are taking them from a better situation.
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Originally Posted By Jasonw1178⏩
No lie, I'd be like "sign me up".

No lie, except the one's with issues following orders, they can make good troops. Probably in good physical condition. Already exposed to violence, not going to be scared easily. Many of them very capable of violence. A lot of motivation because it's not like you are taking them from a better situation.
Plus let's be honest, he said the "no raping women" part for the cameras.
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Originally Posted By NKWulf⏩
okay...https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/16/w...ine-video.htmlhere is a video of him doing it. Believe what you want to believe makes no difference to me.
Looks as bad as the CGI that Ukraine has put out, and been exposed, as the rest of their bull****.

I have no dog in a fight between 2 corrupt nations like Russia and Ukraine.

What dog I do have in that fight is billions of our taxpayer money being given to a corrupt bitch, in a fight that isn't ours, instead of taking care of Americans in our recession.

But that makes me a Putin shill though, right?
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
since the initial fake news of rape claims early in the conflict, the reporting has gone dead on this front. Seems the Russians arent a raping and pillaging like the wild orcs the West claims they are .
Name a war since Span-Am, that wasn't lied about to the American public to get them riled up to send their sons and money over there.

Babies bayoneted. Dragged out of incubators. Mass graves. Rinse/repeat.

Americans are big, dumb yokels who frighten easy, and are easy to fool.
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Originally Posted By Jasonw1178⏩
No lie, I'd be like "sign me up".

No lie, except the one's with issues following orders, they can make good troops. Probably in good physical condition. Already exposed to violence, not going to be scared easily. Many of them very capable of violence. A lot of motivation because it's not like you are taking them from a better situation.
Come on now, just because they killed/beaten/raped someone or are adepts at shooting up drugs and robbing stores doesn't mean they make good soldiers. Also not sure if srs about being in good physical condition...

You can't just waltz into an active war zone and expect to live without any military training and equipment, and you can bet your ass that those dudes will get at best a couple days' worth of extremely basic "training" and some leftover gear.

They're disposable cannon fodder that nobody cares about and nobody will miss. They can indiscriminately feed them into the grinder and if they start mouthing off then you just pop them and that's that.

Here's an interview with an alleged prisoner who signed up for the deal and was later on captured by the Ukies. No idea what the fuk they're talking about in the original vid.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/09...-they-shot-you
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
since the initial fake news of rape claims early in the conflict, the reporting has gone dead on this front. Seems the Russians arent a raping and pillaging like the wild orcs the West claims they are .
Probably not, but war rape is common and does happen. The idea it doesn't is dumb. They used to call it spoils of war.
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https://youtu.be/wfGRWe-Oi9M
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Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
https://youtu.be/wfGRWe-Oi9M
Now you see why I keep saying our foreign policy establishment is dangerous and stupid?
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
since the initial fake news of rape claims early in the conflict, the reporting has gone dead on this front. Seems the Russians arent a raping and pillaging like the wild orcs the West claims they are .
The story with Bucha+nearby villages is true.

I live not far from this place and have seen many things with my own eyes.
Originally Posted By PimpinisEasy⏩
That's not how it works. As soon as a company is non-American sanctions no longer work. The reaosn why is because many nations wonder if they'll be next.

So perhaps Americans can shut down certain imports, but when China is acting in a neutral manner it really wont matter.

Americans buy Chinese tech and so can Iran.

China will overtake the USA in every sphere and Iran is a partner with them. Iran can just wait; as US influence wanes and Chinese technological superiority grows, they will transform their abilities.

Even now you see Chiense investment in Iran means that Iran is overtaking the US in some spheres.

I visited the US and honestly it looks run down.
yes, china and iran have signed a number of agreements on military and defense cooperation, but access to the chinese market to buy the most advanced chips and high-tech is still closed.

You visited the U.S. and saw that the country was in decline? How did you figure that out?
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Originally Posted By merlen90⏩
The story with Bucha+nearby villages is true.

I live not far from this place and have seen many things with my own eyes.
You have a lot of time to post about all this on a bodybuilding site,, despite being in a warzone.


How much US taxpayer money is Zelensky paying you to post?
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Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
You have a lot of time to post about all this on a bodybuilding site,, despite being in a warzone.


How much US taxpayer money is Zelensky paying you to post?
My father and native brother are in the military, my bro has been there since day one, my father since July, I still haven't been drafted from the military registration office.
That's why I'm here to respond to your stupid posts.
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Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
You have a lot of time to post about all this on a bodybuilding site,, despite being in a warzone.


How much US taxpayer money is Zelensky paying you to post?
****ing lol

He saw everything man

Mass graves

Disneyland, LA

Snake island

Ghost of kiev

RASHAN desertion

All for the misc, bro

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Originally Posted By merlen90⏩
My father and native brother are in the military, my brother has been there since day one, my father since July, I still haven't been drafted from the military registration office.
That's why I'm here to respond to your stupid posts.
Idiots from other countries are finding their way to the front lines un Ukraine, you claim your family has been conscripted, including your dad...but you've somehow magically not been..


How much are you getting paid with my tax dollars to post your lies?
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
"make an informed decision" - you invading your neighbour and starting to kill civilians under some bullchit pretense means that the people side with the invaded. That's all that is needed to make an informed decision. Ukraine being corrupt and having "nazis" in their army are issues in peacetime but become utterly irrelevant the moment the missiles start flying.



That is simply not the case and hasn't been the case ever since the Kiev "feint" and especially not after the recent developments. No need to try the "well they could, they just won't", "it's all according to plan" angles again.



For whom? Ukrainians are fighting for their existence so I guess the answer for them is yes but obviously it's up to them to decide.
Zero risks for the US and I have already said what they can gain from it.
Also outlined how it's definitely not worth it for Russia, maybe don't ignore those parts.



There is overwhelming support among the people to stay independent, and that hasn't changed a bit in decades. Desire to reunification is currently at a record low. Wholly delusional/flat out lie to suggest that they're close to a tipping point. US didn't escalate chit, China has been threatening to take Taiwan for 70 years or so and has been making moves to build up its fleet and whatnot.



Sure, the situation for Europe is difficult and will stay like that for a while, good thing there are allies and partners. No idea why weapons seized by Russia would turn up in Europe, but ok. Let's chalk it up as another bullchit Russian threat.

Russia's weapon industry is completely toast, they can't produce chit. And even if they could, nobody wants to buy their stuff because A: as everyone can see they're extremely chit and B: they don't want to get sanctioned. Even their alleged big buddy India noped out of several deals.
You have very strong opinions with the consequences pointed at others. It is my entire point.

We are the governments, not those temporarily elected nor permanently appointed as a bureaucrat.

1. No one disagrees that invasion is wrong, we do it frequently based on our own justifications.

2. You're absolutely clueless as to what is happening in this war by design. You're convinced Keiv and Kharkov are tangible. Casualties and military strength are tangible. US gov hints at it but your type will not ask or care. You cannot bring yourself to know the truth but you know it's there.

3. I posted specific party numbers. You emote. There is a solid base that affirms ties (economic 52%/political 35%) with mainland China. Previous to increased US meddling, China projected an easy rolling in of Taiwan into China by 2050 but China has increased that timeline from the USs inability to ration itself economically. Now we provoke war. It is what it is but you're ignorant if you think Chinese people living on a Chinese island aren't naturally sympathetic and think they cannot live as a providence of China.

4. Difficult isn't the situation. Businesses will not survive. Citizens will be impovrished. Their economy may not survive. NATO may fracture. The EU may fracture. The US will adjust and not feel a thing from it. Thanks Europe.

Okay on the NATO weapons thing. We're just throwing weapons there without controls in an area soon to be thrown upside down in domestic political turmoil.

All of the above in addition to the annihilation of the Ukrainian military. Hundreds of thousands of deaths.


Zero perspective on what we're doing, what is being lost, and the potential for tragic outcome promulgated to the PEOPLE who's sentiment pressures governments to make decisions on their behalf.

I'm warning that you're being lied to in real time.

Want to kill Russia off without violence?
Make gas 85 cents a gallon. It's simple.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
You've already exposed as a fraud. Fuk off.
Luke

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Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
Idiots from other countries are finding their way to the front lines un Ukraine, you claim your family has been conscripted, including your dad...but you've somehow magically not been..


How much are you getting paid with my tax dollars to post your lies?
In your understanding, war is when every man fights and kills at the battlefield?
In fact, only 5-10% of the male population in Ukraine is now drafted by the military committee and is in the military sphere and maybe only 1-2% are sitting in the front line trenches.

My brother is a military man by profession, a captain in the General Directorate of Intelligence.

My father worked at the customs office on the border with Belarus before the war, but because he graduated from a military university in the 1980s, he was drafted in July and is now in a training center.

I have nothing to do with the military trade, I did not graduate from a military university, I have no military experience - so I still have not been drafted by the local military commissariat.
Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
You've already been exposed as a fraud. Fuk off.
Man, don't be absurd. You'd better not reply to my posts and shove your opinion up your ass.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
I'm warning that you're being lied to in real time.
Yes, although you're doing a pretty terrible job.
Originally Posted By memcop⏩
2. You're absolutely clueless as to what is happening in this war by design. You're convinced Keiv and Kharkov are tangible. Casualties and military strength are tangible. US gov hints at it but your type will not ask or care. You cannot bring yourself to know the truth but you know it's there.
What did I tell you about not trying to push the "it's all part of the plan" angle? I didn't tell you because it makes me anxious, but because it's hilariously retarded. Sorry, one does not hand over one of their main logistical hubs and a boatload of equipment "by design". Neither does one attempt to "distract" forces without reaping any benefits from it.

Although if your point is that the Russians intended to act retarded then I guess you're right.
Originally Posted By memcop⏩
3. I posted specific party numbers. You emote. There is a solid base that affirms ties (economic 52%/political 35%) with mainland China. Previous to increased US meddling, China projected an easy rolling in of Taiwan into China by 2050 but China has increased that timeline from the USs inability to ration itself economically. Now we provoke war. It is what it is but you're ignorant if you think Chinese people living on a Chinese island aren't naturally sympathetic and think they cannot live as a providence of China.
Yes yes, once again it's the evil US that is provoking a war...

Also you can stop lying about me emoting, you merely posted made up numbers that mean nothing.

In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-chin...olling-1724546

Here's a study about the last 28 years, knock yourself out.

https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7801&id=6963
Originally Posted By memcop⏩
4. Difficult isn't the situation. Businesses will not survive. Citizens will be impovrished. Their economy may not survive. NATO may fracture. The EU may fracture. The US will adjust and not feel a thing from it. Thanks Europe.

Okay on the NATO weapons thing. We're just throwing weapons there without controls in an area soon to be thrown upside down in domestic political turmoil.
Should be our problem then.
Originally Posted By memcop⏩
All of the above in addition to the annihilation of the Ukrainian military. Hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Yes yes, hundreds of thousands of Ukie soldiers have died and only 5k Russians with 10k Wagner, we know. Quite tiresome how you still try to push this utter bullcrap.

You're quite chit but then also quite obvious at pushing Kremlin crap about vague threats and how everything is going according to the plan. Fuking pathetic that you are still physically incapable of admitting even a single minor Russian blunder.
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