read every word. so many feels

I heard that after Muhammad won some championship, he went to go to a restaurant and the white owner was saying something like "we don't serve your kind here". Phuark manes, he really did live through some bad times.

Ali grew up in an America which segregated blacks and whites and told blacks they were inferior.

He lived through black kids being refused entry to white schools. He lived through black people being kept out of white restaurants. He lived through the era where it wasn't uncommon for black men to be assaulted or even killed if they looked at a white woman the wrong way.

Denied decent jobs. Denied the right to vote. Not that far removed from lynchings being commonplace. Provided with a vastly inferior standard of education.

Emmett Till, Rosa Parks, etc. Police who were not only institutionally racist, but actively assaulted black people for ****s and giggles. Black people being arrested and convicted of crimes they didn't commit. They were oppressed to a degree that we can barely comprehend.

He has absolutely no reason to believe black people and white people could coexist. White people made it abundantly clear they didn't want to.

Yet, because he adopted the attitude that, okay, we won't coexist then - we will read the teachings of colonised people in other countries, who successfully fought colonisation, we will teach our own kind that we are not inferior, we will form our own nation, he is the racist :lol:

It's very easy to point to the example of Martin Luther King, but plenty of the most important figures in the civil rights movement - Malcolm X, Bobby Seale, Huey Newton, the list goes on - broadly believed in the same things as Ali. We are oppressed. We will fight oppression by any means necessary. You have spent a century vilifying us and telling us we are inferior, we will vilify you and tell our kind we are superior.

Ali's views were a product of his surroundings. White people gave him no reason to believe in them. As things changed, so did Ali's views. It's such a white way of looking at Ali's pov - disconnected from context - to suggest it resembled racism. They were the oppressed. They were fighting back, not casting the first stone. Even Malcolm X changed his views as he came to see coexistence in other parts of the world.

Despite all that, Ali never turned away a white kid who wanted to speak to him. He never held the sins of their fathers against them. He regularly gave speeches to white children, about bullying etc. There are photos of him teaching self defence to white children.

He took a stand and tried to help his own people, and advocated black nationalism in a country where segregation was already imposed by the white man. He and Malcolm X believed the only way to restore black pride was to create a black national identity. They didn't think this for a laugh. They thought it because black people had been stripped of their pride by white America.

And there is some evidence to suggest that Malcolm X and MLK were much closer than most people think. Malcolm X openly stated that by adopting an extreme stance, he would make MLK's more moderate approach far more palatable to white America.

That was after he won the gold medal at the Olympics

always thought he was a piece of chit

Lmao, miscers love their racist grandparents b/c "that's just the way they lived, it doesn't make them bad people", but act surprised that a black guy living in the Jim Crow south didn't like white people and suddenly he's an "un-american, draft dodging POS"

Ayyyy

Ali grew up in an America which segregated blacks and whites and told blacks they were inferior.

He lived through black kids being refused entry to white schools. He lived through black people being kept out of white restaurants. He lived through the era where it wasn't uncommon for black men to be assaulted or even killed if they looked at a white woman the wrong way.

Denied decent jobs. Denied the right to vote. Not that far removed from lynchings being commonplace. Provided with a vastly inferior standard of education.

Emmett Till, Rosa Parks, etc. Police who were not only institutionally racist, but actively assaulted black people for ****s and giggles. Black people being arrested and convicted of crimes they didn't commit. They were oppressed to a degree that we can barely comprehend.

He has absolutely no reason to believe black people and white people could coexist. White people made it abundantly clear they didn't want to.

Yet, because he adopted the attitude that, okay, we won't coexist then - we will read the teachings of colonised people in other countries, who successfully fought colonisation, we will teach our own kind that we are not inferior, we will form our own nation, he is the racist :lol:

It's very easy to point to the example of Martin Luther King, but plenty of the most important figures in the civil rights movement - Malcolm X, Bobby Seale, Huey Newton, the list goes on - broadly believed in the same things as Ali. We are oppressed. We will fight oppression by any means necessary. You have spent a century vilifying us and telling us we are inferior, we will vilify you and tell our kind we are superior.

Ali's views were a product of his surroundings. White people gave him no reason to believe in them. As things changed, so did Ali's views. It's such a white way of looking at Ali's pov - disconnected from context - to suggest it resembled racism. They were the oppressed. They were fighting back, not casting the first stone. Even Malcolm X changed his views as he came to see coexistence in other parts of the world.

Despite all that, Ali never turned away a white kid who wanted to speak to him. He never held the sins of their fathers against them. He regularly gave speeches to white children, about bullying etc. There are photos of him teaching self defence to white children.

He took a stand and tried to help his own people, and advocated black nationalism in a country where segregation was already imposed by the white man. He and Malcolm X believed the only way to restore black pride was to create a black national identity. They didn't think this for a laugh. They thought it because black people had been stripped of their pride by white America.

And there is some evidence to suggest that Malcolm X and MLK were much closer than most people think. Malcolm X openly stated that by adopting an extreme stance, he would make MLK's more moderate approach far more palatable to white America.

He was heavily connected to the Nation if Islam, Malcolm X and violent radicals. Not to mention he dodged the military during a time of war.

Given, he seems like he treated fans well... But they are talking like George Washinton just died on every TV station.

No, I'm not. But I also think the people blaming the servicemen for what was going on were disgusting too.

couldn't even tell you if australia even has a president or prime minister or king srs

I have a problem with him or anyone trying to dodge the war. This is the country you live in. Don't care what pathetic reasons you have. I woulda just shipped his azz to some other country and banned him from the U.S. He could've kept the title belt for all i care though. But he wouldn't ever step foot on US soil for a fight or for any other reason.

Regardless, he was still arguably the greatest boxer of all time and one of the greatest athletes of any sport of all time so he deserves the recognition.

Genuinely not trying to be funny.

I don't wish illness or death in anyone, I hope he rests in peace and his family finds comfort. But I don't think famous people should be glorified as saints when they pass away when clearly that wasn't really the case.

"Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights? No I’m not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave masters of the darker people the world over. This is the day when such evils must come to an end. I have been warned that to take such a stand would cost me millions of dollars. But I have said it once and I will say it again. The real enemy of my people is here. I will not disgrace my religion, my people or myself by becoming a tool to enslave those who are fighting for their own justice, freedom and equality. If I thought the war was going to bring freedom and equality to 22 million of my people they wouldn’t have to draft me, I’d join tomorrow. I have nothing to lose by standing up for my beliefs. So I’ll go to jail, so what? We’ve been in jail for 400 years. "

Some of you cucks are complete idiots. Ali grew up in a racist time, of course wasn't going think highly of white people. He was ridiculed like crazy.




He did change his views later in life

the belief that all white people were an evil science experiment and that blacks are superior in every way to all people on earth = hero

the belief that all white people were an evil science experiment and that blacks are superior in every way to all people on earth = hero

Why do you have a hard time with someone refusing to join the US's participation in Vietnam's civil war?

I have a problem with him or anyone trying to dodge the war. This is the country you live in. Don't care what pathetic reasons you have.

location AUS. Not knowledgeable enough in 1960's USA white-black dynamics, no matter what you say.

And white people's belief at the time was that he was a subhuman tap dancing ape. so what's the problem?

If someone talks chit about you, you have the right to talk chit back. was he suppose to be subservient?


And Like I said above he changed his views later in life after all the racial tension went away. He has two white looking grandsons

Because living in America is what allowed him to havethe life that he did and the freedoms that he had.

lol, fah q.


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