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Thread: Uh... Why are people acting like Muhammad Ali was a saint?

post 1445829863 06-04-2016, 08:21 AM
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WTF misc is full of god damn idiots.

i cant imagine being black at the time and the country calling me to go fight. "the country needs your support"
wtf...really wtf

the 'N' bomb is nothing to me these days. but stupid arguments like that would test my discipline
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Originally Posted By Gnocchi⏩
When your country asks you to fight, you fight, not flee.

It doesn't matter what the war was or wasn't. The United States told you, hey, time to go to war. You grab your chit and go fight for your country.

That's my belief.

I also understand race issues were much different then, but the Malcom X ideology is akin to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with violence. It does nothing but destroy race relations and invoke racism.
holy crap. How can you be so stupid? First of all, the war was pointless. We were doing inhumane things in Vietnam and at no point were we defending our liberties back home. Ali had every right to protest the war and to refuse being drafted into the military. Also, just lol at using Malcom X as a comparison to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Black were oppressed in the 50s/60s and that's a fact. So why would Ali want to risk his life in a pointless war for a country where he was treated like a 2nd class citizen? The Vietnamese people would probably treat him better than the general white population treated him.
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Yeah seriously so stupid. Only a TOOL would go fight for their country when being drafted. Add to the fact that you're black and the country treats u like crap because of that then really why would u go?

It's the equivalence of someone you're with that treats u terribly but asks u to do a favor so huge that u are very likely to die..anyone who respects them self would say no
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Originally Posted By idk1010⏩
holy crap. How can you be so stupid? First of all, the war was pointless. We were doing inhumane things in Vietnam and at no point were we defending our liberties back home. Ali had every right to protest the war and to refuse being drafted into the military. Also, just lol at using Malcom X as a comparison to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Black were oppressed in the 50s/60s and that's a fact. So why would Ali want to risk his life in a pointless war for a country where he was treated like a 2nd class citizen? The Vietnamese people would probably treat him better than the general white population treated him.
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Let's be honest, you don't like him because he's a Muslim. Vietnam war was a ****ing joke, whoever participated in it wasted there time. Of course many weren't aware or didn't have the choice to not participate. Muhammed Ali was more of an American than you will ever be.
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Originally Posted By BoaBite⏩
Yeah seriously so stupid. Only a TOOL would go fight for their country when being drafted. Add to the fact that you're black and the country treats u like crap because of that then really why would u go?

It's the equivalence of someone you're with that treats u terribly but asks u to do a favor so huge that u are very likely to die..anyone who respects them self would say no
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Ali was a great boxer, great person and he fought for rights
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Originally Posted By RaceRealist⏩
The connections you make are utterly shet. I don't consider myself an introvert btw..

Here an "amazing speech" where he keeps on rambling the same thing for minutes long to bring up a boring point.



No one called him a genius?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ish-homes.html
http://en.francais-express.com/news/...ced-the-world/
http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-s...nius-1.1702984
http://ewn.co.za/2016/06/04/Mbalula-...o-Muhammad-Ali
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/20...ced-the-world/

Go neg yourself fkn idiot.
The guy punched people in the face for a living. Not a single person ITT is arguing that he's a scientific genius. Wtf are u even blabbering about you weird little cretin.


The fact that you even went through the trouble to find multiple articles and a random ali video just showsautism levels off the chart.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
He was heavily connected to the Nation if Islam, Malcolm X and violent radicals. Not to mention he dodged the military during a time of war.

Given, he seems like he treated fans well... But they are talking like George Washinton just died on every TV station.
I didn't like him for those reasons and more. His daughter doesn't like him.

In addition, I don't really like boxers that much. He used to beat people up and love it, talking crap, it gave him brain damage then he could barely talk or move well. Seems like poetic justice.
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i heard he was a great boxer, draft dodger, and islamic activist but not much beyond that.
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I don't know if you realize OP, but Ali was a part of the majority when it came to (un)popular opinions on Vietnam. No matter if you were black or white. Obviously it was a different time for African Americans at that time, it was at the height of the civil rights movement and he was no perfect man. He never killed anyone nor hurt anyone (besides the unfortunate ones that stepped into the ring with him).

In his later life, Ali used his fame and status to support and establish more than a dozen charities, organization and causes that promoted everything from peaceful coexistence between all race and religion to the advancement of medicine in the search for a cure for Parkinsons and many other debilitating illnesses.
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Originally Posted By BrightonBomber⏩
He wasn't perfect, far from it like any man he had his vices and flaws.

But he was a cultural icon. You say he dodged the military, well while true you need to know the context of what he did and why he did it, to understand how that one act made him more than just a boxer. He didn't believe it was a just war at a time when this was not the opinion of the majority, as he said "I got nothing against no Vietcong, no vietnamese called me N*gger". For standing up for his beliefs he was stripped of his title, stripped of his living, stripped of his boxing prime. He could have given in at anytime and enlisted but he stuck to his beliefs despite the financial hardship and hate from the public. But as the Vietnam war dragged on and peoples view of the war changed Ali became a focal figure in the anti-war and civil rights movement.

You can question the man, his standing as a boxer, but you can't question the significance he had during a very important time in American history. Ali was an icon, he transcended his sport at a time when boxing wasn't the niche sport it is now, boxing back then was huge and he was the biggest star in boxing, hell he was boxing to many and as I said he became more than just a boxer for his outspoken expression of his beliefs and ideals.
It wasn't about the rights and wrongs of the Vietnam war, other blacks that did go to war hated him as they thought he was betraying them.

For much of his life he was racist, segregationist and misogynistic. Been listening to a few people on the radio today, who knew him, including his biographer Thomas Hause who interviewed hundreds of his friends. They all say the exact same things about him as a person; charismatic and controversial, but often contradictory and on the wrong side of the argument.

A great man definitely, but far, far from perfect
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
Quotes like this, suggesting servicemen shoot and kill women and children regularly, is part of the issue I (and many others) have with him.
that **** went down a lot in vietnam - whole different beast than ww2 or korea
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Originally Posted By Gnocchi⏩
When your country asks you to fight, you fight, not flee.

It doesn't matter what the war was or wasn't. The United States told you, hey, time to go to war. You grab your chit and go fight for your country.

That's my belief.

I also understand race issues were much different then, but the Malcom X ideology is akin to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with violence. It does nothing but destroy race relations and invoke racism.
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Originally Posted By ikepen⏩
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I can't believe people think like that. The useless scum willing to serve our chit country lol. I would move to the sewers before fighting in a war. One would think that the average American thinks like this after seeing what happened in the Iraq War. Brb Bush is a painter now chillin while soldiers died, civilians were slaughtered and vets are treated like horse **** now.
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Funny how most of the people calling Ali a draft dodger, happen to be diehard Trump supporters.

Lol
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everytime a n*gga dies misc always has something to say. IT WAS THE FUKKIN 60S HE HAD TO BE RADICAL.

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Originally Posted By blackflgst⏩
Funny how most of the people calling Ali a draft dodger, happen to be diehard Trump supporters.

Lol
Lmao they used to show old video clips of random salty redneck brahs being interviewed about ali's draft refusal. It was like watching Miscers: 1960s edition.
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lol @ saying dodging the draft is a bad thing.

That is like calling a German a bad person for fleeing Germany instead of fighting for the Nazi's.

Anyone with half a brain, soul and heart would have dodged going to Vietnam.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
He was heavily connected to the Nation if Islam, Malcolm X and violent radicals. Not to mention he dodged the military during a time of war.

Given, he seems like he treated fans well... But they are talking like George Washinton just died on every TV station.






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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
He was heavily connected to the Nation if Islam, Malcolm X and violent radicals. Not to mention he dodged the military during a time of war.

Given, he seems like he treated fans well... But they are talking like George Washinton just died on every TV station.
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Originally Posted By ectobruh⏩
shut the fukk up. i have great grandmother's this happened to. ignorant *******s itt. sound like the fukktards who believe "the Holocaust didn't happen."
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Originally Posted By Gnocchi⏩
When your country asks you to fight, you fight, not flee.

It doesn't matter what the war was or wasn't. The United States told you, hey, time to go to war. You grab your chit and go fight for your country.

That's my belief.

I also understand race issues were much different then, but the Malcom X ideology is akin to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with violence. It does nothing but destroy race relations and invoke racism.
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Lmao as usual got the same old people blowing up social media going on about how sad they are... RIP.. you will be missed etc.. most of them women..

Yet i reckon 90% of them never watched a boxing match.. let alone Ali.. most probably didn't even know he was still alive till they found out he died today.

Fukk this fakeness.. i honestly couldn't give a **** about anyone except my close family.

Your an absolute pussy if Paul Walker.. Amy whitehouse.. Ali dying ruins your day
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All you punks call him a racist have NEVER experienced racism in a day of your life. This guy was banned from going to a white restaurant after winning a championship. Glad to see normal ppl in here tho.
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