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post 1447274493 06-12-2016, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted By AK911PSU⏩
I'm a Muslim.

One who sins just like any other Muslim.

One who wants best for the world regardless of who you are.

I don't add labels.

Besides, the guy who did all these shootings is clearly mentally ill.

I've lived my whole life in America and I never met other Muslims this crazy, and I know thousands of them. Some people have mental issues regardless of their religious ties.
Originally Posted By AK911PSU⏩
Man the moment I read the title all I could think in my head is:

"Please don't be muslim... please don't be muslim"

And when I find out he's muslim:

"FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCKKKKKKKKK"
[taqiyaa intensifies]

le "moderate" muslim...

"the difference between radical muslims and moderate muslims is that the radicals want to chop your head off and the moderates wants the radical muslim to chop your head off"
post 1447274523 06-12-2016, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted By Pennzoil22⏩
Are all brown people going to get "random" security checks at the airport? Lol
Ummmm... yeah. What do you find the least bit funny about that? Do you even Israel?
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Originally Posted By Snooging⏩
Would you agree that Islam as a religion is in desperate need of reform? Also, you don't have to be mentally ill to perform such acts.
I 100% believe you have to be mentally ill to walk into a building and murder 50 people.

I think all religions need reform, I actually think the world would be better off without any religion, but the fact of the matter is I fully understand the laws the country is based on, and those laws and the constitution make it illegal to persecute somebody based on religion. I know this phrase and thrown around a lot, but it is literally unconstitutional to persecute people by religion.

The first amendment makes your argument dead in the water. You cannot proceed with what you want to proceed with, unless you feel so strong about this you think they should pass another amendment stripping away a constitutional right from ALL American citizens and make prosecuting based on religious philosophies and ideologies an actionable crime.

And not to state a snowball fallacy, but if you give the government the right to prosecute based on religion/ideology, it will not stop with muslims.
Belief without evidence is a fools game.

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post 1447274703 06-12-2016, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted By ThePumpmaster⏩
Ummmm... yeah. What do you find the least bit funny about that? Do you even Israel?
Go move to Israel then?...
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Originally Posted By Snooging⏩
Would you agree that Islam as a religion is in desperate need of reform?Also, you don't have to be mentally ill to perform such acts.
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Soo my cousin posted on FB this was an attack on gays because the guy saw 2 guys kissing and got mad.. but people will try and make it about religion..

I said it was about religion and a also terrorist attack. That you aren't simply born with these views. This guy was a follower of ISIS who execute gays in Iraq.. etc

They started to bring up if he were Christian his religion would be down played.. I said if he did it in the name of a radical group it wouldn't. I also said how TF do they know that anyway.. seeing this is the biggest mass shooting in US history..

Am i wrong misc brahs?
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Any other Orlando brahs here? A bunch of us are gathering water and supplies for the officers. 100 degrees out, we could use the help!!!!
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Originally Posted By Pennzoil22⏩
Go move to Israel then?...
Is there an argument somewhere in there?

Racial profiling is effective, especially concerning terrorism. End of discussion.
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someone aware me as i'm just reading all this sht now..


they caught him or kill him? he escape? what is the status of this ****er
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Originally Posted By ThePumpmaster⏩
You don't know the first thing about the constitution. This isn't about deporting legal citizens. It's about closing the floodgates that were only opened in the 1960s by liberal vermin like yourself.
Multiple people in this thread have stated we should deport muslims and ban muslims. I don't know the first thing about the constitution? Please explain to me how those actions AND creating a religious ban on foreigners coming over is not a violation of the first amendment.

You cannot discriminate by religion, this is binding to the government and all government agents. The government does not possess to ability to ban people from coming over based on religious reasons. The first amendment would have to be amended and the government given that power for it to be possible. Your argument is dead in the water and the actions you are calling for are unconstitutional. When your argument puts you at odds with the constitution you really should rethink your point of view.
Originally Posted By Tune5k⏩
someone aware me as i'm just reading all this sht now..


they caught him or kill him? he escape? what is the status of this ****er
They killed him
Belief without evidence is a fools game.

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If Omar Mateen had been "on the radar" for awhile, then how does something like this happen? Why not just put him in Gitmo and waterboard his ass?
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Originally Posted By ThePumpmaster⏩
Is there an argument somewhere in there?
I've wasted enough time arguing with potatoes on the misc for one lifetime thanks.

YOU are the one who needs to read the Constitution. But wait! You're voting Trump so fuk that piece of paper right, lol
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Originally Posted By TheSandHusky⏩
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So you actually believe all of the violence in the middle east is mostly a mental health issue? Lots of mental illness there?
post 1447275763 06-12-2016, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted By Lawlstud⏩
I 100% believe you have to be mentally ill to walk into a building and murder 50 people.

I think all religions need reform, I actually think the world would be better off without any religion, but the fact of the matter is I fully understand the laws the country is based on, and those laws and the constitution make it illegal to persecute somebody based on religion. I know this phrase and thrown around a lot, but it is literally unconstitutional to persecute people by religion.

The first amendment makes your argument dead in the water. You cannot proceed with what you want to proceed with, unless you feel so strong about this you think they should pass another amendment stripping away a constitutional right from ALL American citizens and make prosecuting based on religious philosophies and ideologies an actionable crime.

And not to state a snowball fallacy, but if you give the government the right to prosecute based on religion/ideology, it will not stop with muslims.
Did you mean to quote me with this? I said nothing about the government targeting and prosecuting Muslims. I'm talking about reform within the Muslim community
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Originally Posted By Pennzoil22⏩
I've wasted enough time arguing with potatoes on the misc for one lifetime thanks.
So no argument at all then? Gotcha.
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Originally Posted By DrFlexologist⏩
If Omar Mateen had been "on the radar" for awhile, then how does something like this happen? Why not just put him in Gitmo and waterboard his ass?
Ineptitude on the part of the Feds would not surprise me at all.
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Originally Posted By AK911PSU⏩
I'm a Muslim.

One who sins just like any other Muslim.

One who wants best for the world regardless of who you are.

I don't add labels.

Besides, the guy who did all these shootings is clearly mentally ill.

I've lived my whole life in America and I never met other Muslims this crazy, and I know thousands of them. Some people have mental issues regardless of their religious ties.
Dude I'm finding that hard to believe.


Muslims stick together. Whites stick together. Asians stick together. Blacks stick together. Hell forget race cops stick together. And we all know of racist people or those full of hate. Muslims who are peaceful for sure know of those who spew hate but they choose not to report it. You're telling me you've never met another muslim who wasn't rainbows and flowers?


This same principle applies to the police. Good cops sit there and deny they have bad cops who are racist or pos power nuts in their division. You know what the result of that is? Stuff like freddie gray. Cops would rather let a few bad apples give them all a bad name than to rat them out.


I fully believe that's what's happening to Muslims. For some reason there is this code of protection. I'm sure peaceful Muslims who knew Omar thought, whoa dude take it back a notch, instead of "maybe I should tip off someone about this". And this makes 0 sense to me because eventually its going to get bad for Muslims in the US and probably the world because a few bad apples. Look at this thread even. There is so much blind hate for every and all Muslims, that's going to keep growing and its fuken sad.
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Originally Posted By TheSandHusky⏩
What don't you understand? There have been studies showing that mentally ill people are actually less likely to act out and harm people. Saying all people that believe in and carry out Jihad are mentally ill is simply ridiculous
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Police just arrested a heavily armed man in LA outside of a pride parade. WTF??
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Originally Posted By ThePumpmaster⏩
Is there an argument somewhere in there?

Racial profiling is effective, especially concerning terrorism. End of discussion.
Many things are effective, it does not make the morally correct, legal, constitutional or even the right thing to do. If we made all crimes punishable by the death penalty I guarantee you would cut crime by 99%, but there are some very good moral reasons we don't kill for every crime
Originally Posted By veggie530⏩
Police just arrested a heavily armed man in LA outside of a pride parade. WTF??
These actions always bring the extremist out of the wood work, there is always a threat after these actions of a 2nd fallout from some other nutjob getting all rustled up
Originally Posted By DrFlexologist⏩
If Omar Mateen had been "on the radar" for awhile, then how does something like this happen? Why not just put him in Gitmo and waterboard his ass?
The Eighth Amendment (Amendment VIII) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights (ratified December 15, 1791) prohibiting the federal government from imposing excessive bail, excessive fines, or cruel and unusual punishment.

Promoting for an american citizens rights to be revoked based on government arbitration? No thanks jeff.
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Originally Posted By ThePumpmaster⏩
Is there an argument somewhere in there?

Racial profiling is effective, especially concerning terrorism. End of discussion.
And I'll be damned before I get random security airport checks or harassed for being a brown American. End of discussion.
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Originally Posted By Tune5k⏩
someone aware me as i'm just reading all this sht now..


they caught him or kill him? he escape? what is the status of this ****er
He's with the virgins now
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Originally Posted By RedSoxfan1978⏩
How would you limit the number of weapons?

We have over 400 million firearms in this country and that is an estimate from the ATF.

Again, France has total gun control. Has for a very long time. All the shooters there had no trouble getting their AK's and RPG's and pistols and hand grenades.

They've shut down a few Mosque in France. They found hundreds of AK's and thousands of rounds of ammunition. Some reports said over 1 million rounds of ammunition.

France has total gun control.
France has no Second Amendment.
France has had mass shootings.


Giving up our guns here will stop nothing.

The bad guys are already here. Some born here, some not.

No one is mentioning that the scumbag had a suicide vest or explosives of some sort. Its all about the guns. Bad people will do bad things. That is sadly a fact of life.
but why does the US have more of these bad people per capita than almost anywhere else? That's what I want to know. Or is it just an illusion?
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Originally Posted By Snooging⏩
Would you agree that Islam as a religion is in desperate need of reform? Also, you don't have to be mentally ill to perform such acts.
there is no difference between religious extremism and sociopathy
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Originally Posted By Snooging⏩
Would you agree that Islam as a religion is in desperate need of reform? Also, you don't have to be mentally ill to perform such acts.
Honestly yes I do.

I believe that there should be caliphates (or some religious leading team) that progresses the religion with passing time. Some stuff needs change (i.e. young marriages, punishments, etc) but there is no leader that really changes these things.

Islam needs a pope figure. One that actually wants best for the world and isn't radical.
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Originally Posted By johnnyboi123⏩
[taqiyaa intensifies]

le "moderate" muslim...

"the difference between radical muslims and moderate muslims is that the radicals want to chop your head off and the moderates wants the radical muslim to chop your head off"
Man 99% muslims I know just want to live their lives just like anyone else. Only heads we wanna chop off are the cows we get our steaks from haha
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Originally Posted By Lawlstud⏩
Many things are effective, it does not make the morally correct, legal, constitutional or even the right thing to do. If we made all crimes punishable by the death penalty I guarantee you would cut crime by 99%, but there are some very good moral reasons we don't kill for every crime
Luckily for us, racial profiling is perfectly moral, perfectly legal, perfectly constitutional and absolutely the right thing to do.
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I was watching Fox News over the last half an hour and even they had people on saying Obama was right not to jump to the conclusion that it was radical islam, and that was based on the fact they knew the shooter called 911 and said the stuff about ISIS... and this is Fox News. It's okay for everyone else, for you and me, including Trump, to come to those conclusions but for the white house and the president is a different matter entirely. The investigators need to carry out their work and in due course, whether its 2 hrs, 4 hrs, or tomorrow, if the FBI, Orlando police and whoever else is investigating confirms it is radical islam then Obama will come out say it.

As for blaming this on Islam and Muslims - this guy swore allegiance to ISIS. Unless you're not aware, all Muslims oppose ISIS. Even the Taliban in Afghanistan has declared war on ISIS, and Taliban is Bin Laden's crew, so that should give you an idea how repugnant ISIS is.
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Originally Posted By veggie530⏩
Police just arrested a heavily armed man in LA outside of a pride parade. WTF??
Just? That was hours ago.
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Inb4 Obama gets 3rd term and takes our guns away

Abu-jasnackbar strikes again.

The law needs to be set if you mass murder people you and your fnaiky will be tourtued for 50 years srs
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Originally Posted By TheSandHusky⏩
but why does the US have more of these bad people per capita than almost anywhere else? That's what I want to know. Or is it just an illusion?
Drug war and gang culture. We just had a "mass shooting"
In Stockton, CA last night. 3 injured 1 dead -- all had to do with gangs and drugs. Probably the 10th one this year in Stockton.
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