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10-17-2016, 10:42 AM
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One person approached a larger person with intent to have a physical altercation.
Imagine being the smaller person. When deciding to fight the larger person, did you consider all the potential outcomes? Which outcome were you hoping for? That the larger person would not attempt any sort of defense? That the defense would be disproportionately small, thereby allowing you to dominate the other person? That the defense would be proportionate, leaving the altercation to be governed by stamina and/or interference by other people? That the defense would be disproportionately great, creating the potential to appeal to a lack of fairness? These are just a couple options, but in truth the outcome would sit on a "spectrum of favor", for lack of a better term.
Then there is the difference between the outcome hoped for, and the outcome expected. If you instigate the altercation, and you are the smaller person, obviously you hope for a favorable outcome but should you expect it?
If the outcome is unfavorable, can you fashion the outcome so that it benefits you somehow? Is there some socially accepted norm that you can appeal to in the event that the outcome is neutral or poor for you? Better yet, can you instigate the altercation knowing you can appeal to this socially accepted norm later to change the outcome? Are you more likely to instigate such because of this well known potential?
Imagine being the smaller person. When deciding to fight the larger person, did you consider all the potential outcomes? Which outcome were you hoping for? That the larger person would not attempt any sort of defense? That the defense would be disproportionately small, thereby allowing you to dominate the other person? That the defense would be proportionate, leaving the altercation to be governed by stamina and/or interference by other people? That the defense would be disproportionately great, creating the potential to appeal to a lack of fairness? These are just a couple options, but in truth the outcome would sit on a "spectrum of favor", for lack of a better term.
Then there is the difference between the outcome hoped for, and the outcome expected. If you instigate the altercation, and you are the smaller person, obviously you hope for a favorable outcome but should you expect it?
If the outcome is unfavorable, can you fashion the outcome so that it benefits you somehow? Is there some socially accepted norm that you can appeal to in the event that the outcome is neutral or poor for you? Better yet, can you instigate the altercation knowing you can appeal to this socially accepted norm later to change the outcome? Are you more likely to instigate such because of this well known potential?
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10-17-2016, 10:49 AM
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Heh, while I still don't agree with fighting anyone over concrete like that, have to admit he handled it like a boss. Told them it was his property and he didn't want them there, and to leave. Was attacked and responded. While, again, I still don't agree with his decision - I also wouldn't support any kind of legal action against him even if she became seriously injured from that.
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10-17-2016, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted By OllieSA⏩
Can you imagine dropping a person on their head on concrete..One person approached a larger person with intent to have a physical altercation.
Imagine being the smaller person. When deciding to fight the larger person, did you consider all the potential outcomes? Which outcome were you hoping for? That the larger person would not attempt any sort of defense? That the defense would be disproportionately small, thereby allowing you to dominate the other person? That the defense would be proportionate, leaving the altercation to be governed by stamina and/or interference by other people? That the defense would be disproportionately great, creating the potential to appeal to a lack of fairness? These are just a couple options, but in truth the outcome would sit on a "spectrum of favor", for lack of a better term.
Then there is the difference between the outcome hoped for, and the outcome expected. If you instigate the altercation, and you are the smaller person, obviously you hope for a favorable outcome but should you expect it?
If the outcome is unfavorable, can you fashion the outcome so that it benefits you somehow? Is there some socially accepted norm that you can appeal to in the event that the outcome is neutral or poor for you? Better yet, can you instigate the altercation knowing you can appeal to this socially accepted norm later to change the outcome? Are you more likely to instigate such because of this well known potential?
Imagine being the smaller person. When deciding to fight the larger person, did you consider all the potential outcomes? Which outcome were you hoping for? That the larger person would not attempt any sort of defense? That the defense would be disproportionately small, thereby allowing you to dominate the other person? That the defense would be proportionate, leaving the altercation to be governed by stamina and/or interference by other people? That the defense would be disproportionately great, creating the potential to appeal to a lack of fairness? These are just a couple options, but in truth the outcome would sit on a "spectrum of favor", for lack of a better term.
Then there is the difference between the outcome hoped for, and the outcome expected. If you instigate the altercation, and you are the smaller person, obviously you hope for a favorable outcome but should you expect it?
If the outcome is unfavorable, can you fashion the outcome so that it benefits you somehow? Is there some socially accepted norm that you can appeal to in the event that the outcome is neutral or poor for you? Better yet, can you instigate the altercation knowing you can appeal to this socially accepted norm later to change the outcome? Are you more likely to instigate such because of this well known potential?
Youre 100% trying to fuk them UP.
And potentially kill them
As i said, ive had a girl swinging at me and nowhere in my mind did i think ok.. lets slam this body to the ground
10-17-2016, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
How would you know the larger person's intention was necessarily both toCan you imagine dropping a person on their head on concrete..
Youre 100% trying to fuk them UP.
And potentially kill them
As i said, ive had a girl swinging at me and nowhere in my mind did i think ok.. lets slam this body to the ground
Youre 100% trying to fuk them UP.
And potentially kill them
As i said, ive had a girl swinging at me and nowhere in my mind did i think ok.. lets slam this body to the ground
1) bring the smaller person to the ground AND
2) bring the smaller person's head into contact with concrete?
What you can tell is that the smaller person intended to have a physical altercation with a larger person in an environment in which concrete was the mat.
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10-17-2016, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted By OllieSA⏩
Because what i saw in the video was a female incapable of doing anything..How would you know the larger person's intention was necessarily both to
1) bring the smaller person to the ground AND
2) bring the smaller person's head into contact with concrete?
What you can tell is that the smaller person intended to have a physical altercation with a larger person in an environment in which concrete was the mat.
1) bring the smaller person to the ground AND
2) bring the smaller person's head into contact with concrete?
What you can tell is that the smaller person intended to have a physical altercation with a larger person in an environment in which concrete was the mat.
She was trying to push him but it looked like it was going nowhere.
Longer version shows her kicking him the nuts ( i still havent watched)
But i still highly doubt in court of law.. kick in nuts = potentially killing them. That seems like an exteeme escalation on his part
And besides we dont know where he lives and there are other issues that could prob be brought against him. People have been charged with manslaughter in self defense
10-17-2016, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
Even the smaller person's friend doesn't see the risk of head-to-concrete contact.Can you imagine dropping a person on their head on concrete..
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10-17-2016, 11:00 AM
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10-17-2016, 11:02 AM
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10-17-2016, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted By JakeTS86⏩
He could have easily retreated into the house.Sloot probably deserved it but he should have been a man and walked away.
Crazy b1tch still trying to follow him? She can't force her way in lol.
He should have entered his house, and called the police.
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10-17-2016, 11:08 AM
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She shouldn't have put her hands on him but these guys always go overboard when they retaliate, could've easily restrained her instead
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10-17-2016, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
We don't really know this, do we? What we do know is that the outcome ended up unfavorable for the smaller person. It is possible that the outcome could have ended up anywhere else on the spectrum. But is it probable? Shouldn't the smaller person have predicted the altercation would be lost due to poor odds?Because what i saw in the video was a female incapable of doing anything..
It seems to me that the appeal to "unfairness" is planned in the event of an unfavorable outcome, especially since society is prone to accept such appeals - particularly when the smaller person has a vagina and tits and the larger person has a dick.
She was trying to push him but it looked like it was going nowhere.
Should the larger person have waited to see where it was going to go?Doesn't life crew
10-17-2016, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted By OllieSA⏩
"Defendants who claim self-defense admit that they used force or violence against the victim, but they assert that they did so because the “victim” was actually the attacker, that they had to act to avoid being hurt themselves (or to protect someone else from being hurt), and that the amount of force they used was proportional to the threat presented. The basic issues in any self-defense claim are who started the incident and whether the defendant’s response was necessary and proportionate to the threat posed by the agressor."We don't really know this, do we? What we do know is that the outcome ended up unfavorable for the smaller person. It is possible that the outcome could have ended up anywhere else on the spectrum. But is it probable? Shouldn't the smaller person have predicted the altercation would be lost due to poor odds?
It seems to me that the appeal to "unfairness" is planned in the event of an unfavorable outcome, especially since society is prone to accept such appeals - particularly when the smaller person has a vagina and tits and the larger person has a dick.
Should the larger person have waited to see where it was going to go?
It seems to me that the appeal to "unfairness" is planned in the event of an unfavorable outcome, especially since society is prone to accept such appeals - particularly when the smaller person has a vagina and tits and the larger person has a dick.
Should the larger person have waited to see where it was going to go?
You cant just go escalating violence because then you become the aggressor. You cant claim "self-defense" when you escalated the violence. Its no longer about "defense" but hurting someone.. As i said..
Bet has something else on his record + turmoil at home.. think it would be easy to say this wasnt his response to the threat but previously conceived notions
10-17-2016, 11:15 AM
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10-17-2016, 11:24 AM
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10-17-2016, 11:25 AM
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I just edited my OP. check it
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10-17-2016, 11:28 AM
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Yeah, that dude could have easily just walked away. JMO.
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10-17-2016, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
I'm not arguing the legal ramifications.You cant just go escalating violence because then you become the aggressor. As i said..
You become the aggressor in an effort to end the altercation intended by the original aggressor. It's easier to become the aggressor when you are larger (or stronger, and/or more skilled) than your opponent. When you are smaller (or weaker and/or less skilled) than your opponent, you run the risk of your opponent accessing a greater potential for violence. This should be a vital consideration, and happens to be a non-issue when it comes to same-sex altercations - an acceptable consideration even with largely mismatched opponents. But for some reason, opposite-sex altercations are governed by different rules - not due to the magnitude of the mismatch (if any), but purely by genitalia. For some reason, the smaller person needs to consider the risk only when they have the same type of genitals as their opponent.
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10-17-2016, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted By OllieSA⏩
No.. the totality of the altercation was.. you met the force upon you with reasonable force.I'm not arguing the legal ramifications.
You become the aggressor in an effort to end the altercation intended by the original aggressor. It's easier to become the aggressor when you are larger (or stronger, and/or more skilled) than your opponent. When you are smaller (or weaker and/or less skilled) than your opponent, you run the risk of your opponent accessing a greater potential for violence. This should be a vital consideration, and happens to be a non-issue when it comes to same-sex altercations - an acceptable consideration even with largely mismatched opponents. But for some reason, opposite-sex altercations are governed by different rules - not due to the magnitude of the mismatch (if any), but purely by genitalia. For some reason, the smaller person needs to consider the risk only when they have the same type of genitals as their opponent.
You become the aggressor in an effort to end the altercation intended by the original aggressor. It's easier to become the aggressor when you are larger (or stronger, and/or more skilled) than your opponent. When you are smaller (or weaker and/or less skilled) than your opponent, you run the risk of your opponent accessing a greater potential for violence. This should be a vital consideration, and happens to be a non-issue when it comes to same-sex altercations - an acceptable consideration even with largely mismatched opponents. But for some reason, opposite-sex altercations are governed by different rules - not due to the magnitude of the mismatch (if any), but purely by genitalia. For some reason, the smaller person needs to consider the risk only when they have the same type of genitals as their opponent.
That is "defense"
Not escalating the violence.
Given the definitions i gave you there is still an assessment of threat.. and where does 100lb teenage girl rank on that list?
Anyways, i hear you.. as i said. I think the girl is wrong but i also think the dude is wrong
I dont think either should get away scot-free
Just that the dude should pay ramifications (half) for inflicting damage when there could have been none, and the girl should learn not to start chit
Hell, punching her the in face would be equal force imo. But not risking pounding her head on concrete
That is close to intent to kill imo
10-17-2016, 11:43 AM
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So many miscers in here saying they would do the same thing but irl they wouldn't come out of the house.
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He handled that very well. And from his twitter he said that cops agree it was self defense.
Its sad though that you can see on her twitter she hasnt even learned her lesson
Its sad though that you can see on her twitter she hasnt even learned her lesson
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Originally Posted By sammywatkins⏩
You can tell by her twitter that she have never learned a single lessonHe handled that very well. And from his twitter he said that cops agree it was self defense.
Its sad though that you can see on her twitter she hasnt even learned her lesson
Its sad though that you can see on her twitter she hasnt even learned her lesson
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This is what 15 year-olds look like now?
The girl threw the first punch but that doesn't matter, dude is gonna get fkked in court.
The girl threw the first punch but that doesn't matter, dude is gonna get fkked in court.
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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
Luckily his arm was in between the concrete and her head.Can you imagine dropping a person on their head on concrete..
Youre 100% trying to fuk them UP.
And potentially kill them
As i said, ive had a girl swinging at me and nowhere in my mind did i think ok.. lets slam this body to the ground
Youre 100% trying to fuk them UP.
And potentially kill them
As i said, ive had a girl swinging at me and nowhere in my mind did i think ok.. lets slam this body to the ground
She has a history of seizures, which she stated herself. If you know anything about seizures, which I do, considering my girlfriends mom gets them, and pretty bad ones at that, and that seizures can occur out of the blue or at times of high stress.
Of course they can happen from head trauma but her head never hit the ground, and this seizure could totally be a result from that but it also could've been a result from mental stress that she caused herself, but in the end, it's nobodys fault but her own.
Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
Do you like eyesight? Do you like the ability to visually see your world around you? Would you agree that even someone smaller than 100lbs has the physical capability of ruining someones eyesight?No.. the totality of the altercation was.. you met the force upon you with reasonable force.
That is "defense"
Not escalating the violence.
Given the definitions i gave you there is still an assessment of threat.. and where does 100lb teenage girl rank on that list?
Anyways, i hear you.. as i said. I think the girl is wrong but i also think the dude is wrong
I dont think either should get away scot-free
Just that the dude should pay ramifications (half) for inflicting damage when there could have been none, and the girl should learn not to start chit
Hell, punching her the in face would be equal force imo. But not risking pounding her head on concrete
That is close to intent to kill imo
That is "defense"
Not escalating the violence.
Given the definitions i gave you there is still an assessment of threat.. and where does 100lb teenage girl rank on that list?
Anyways, i hear you.. as i said. I think the girl is wrong but i also think the dude is wrong
I dont think either should get away scot-free
Just that the dude should pay ramifications (half) for inflicting damage when there could have been none, and the girl should learn not to start chit
Hell, punching her the in face would be equal force imo. But not risking pounding her head on concrete
That is close to intent to kill imo
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Originally Posted By Marie646⏩
I think I love you even more now <3Look how about I pouch on you like a ****ing banshee and let's test this out. I'm willing to risk brain damage to prove a point
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10-17-2016, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted By FearThisjake⏩
Even in this egregious example.. do you not see how no eye-site does not equal killing someone?Luckily his arm was in between the concrete and her head.
She has a history of seizures, which she stated herself. If you know anything about seizures, which I do, considering my girlfriends mom gets them, and pretty bad ones at that, and that seizures can occur out of the blue or at times of high stress.
Of course they can happen from head trauma but her head never hit the ground, and this seizure could totally be a result from that but it also could've been a result from mental stress that she caused herself, but in the end, it's nobodys fault but her own.
Do you like eyesight? Do you like the ability to visually see your world around you? Would you agree that even someone smaller than 100lbs has the physical capability of ruining someones eyesight?
She has a history of seizures, which she stated herself. If you know anything about seizures, which I do, considering my girlfriends mom gets them, and pretty bad ones at that, and that seizures can occur out of the blue or at times of high stress.
Of course they can happen from head trauma but her head never hit the ground, and this seizure could totally be a result from that but it also could've been a result from mental stress that she caused herself, but in the end, it's nobodys fault but her own.
Do you like eyesight? Do you like the ability to visually see your world around you? Would you agree that even someone smaller than 100lbs has the physical capability of ruining someones eyesight?
Maybe if they tried poking you and you poked back it busted their eye and then they fell and died (thats reasonable force) but to go from poking someone in the eye to shooting them in head.. thats an escalation of violence
But even still.. that was not the case with this case presented..
Seizures thing is interesting. Still think he escalated and attempted to use deadly force
Lets be honest.. that teenage girl isnt trying kill him
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