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post 1469179411 11-01-2016, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted By DoctorKazama⏩
Lmao @ "put him to death".
He put 4 people to death. 4 eyes for an eye.
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post 1469179521 11-01-2016, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted By MiscMathematician⏩
if someone doesnt intend to do something, they didnt make a conscious decision to do it.
So hm texting for over 10 seconds while driving 70MPH was not a conscious decision? The Lord of the Mumba Wambas forced him to do it? Terrorists should start using that excuse!

"Sir, I didn't mean to crash this plane into the building! I was just texting, lol!"
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post 1469180851 11-02-2016, 12:03 AM
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Its not always about punishing or rehabilitating the perpetrator.

Sometimes it's about making an example out of someone.
Sometimes it's about sending a message to all the other dumb ****ers out there.
post 1469181101 11-02-2016, 12:06 AM
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similar situation happened last year near me. 17 year old sloot with provisional license rammed into two bikers and killed them. its just a chitty situation all around tbh

theres also something i saw last year about two guys that were high in the middle of the freeway and got hit by a car at 1a.m. in the morning. Guy was going 90+ but these fukin idiots were on the freeway trying to cross in pitch black
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Sentencing range for the most egregious death by dangerous driving is 7-14 years. Concurrent sentences are very common, 4 bodies = 1 for sentencing purposes.
The guilty plea is what most likely bought it down from 14 to 10.
It's disgusting that manslaughter by vehicle sentencing guidelines don't match manslaughter.
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Originally Posted By Jasonw1178⏩
For one thing, putting him in prison isn't going to bring anyone back. Yes, he messed up, but we all do dumb things that could have ended very badly and we lucked out. Okay some of you never leave your basement but those of us that are living life. Yes he was very stupid. However, is he a danger to society? Is it right to destroy one person's life just to appease the feelings of others? I think he should never be allowed to drive anything again, but prison? We live in a society that loves to lock people up. I think that unless he's a sociopath or phychopath, he has to feel ton of guilt knowing his actions caused this. I know if I did something like that I'd probably be in a mental home trying to deal with it. Incredibly irrisponsible but criminal?
Are you serious? The guy knew damn well there's a risk associated with using a phone while driving. He made his choice and now he must pay the price. Do you know the real reaction this would have if we didn't have the law system as it is? The families of the victims would gather up and ****ing murder him. Your mentality belongs in Europe where they have these weak cuck laws.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
So hm texting for over 10 seconds while driving 70MPH was not a conscious decision? The Lord of the Mumba Wambas forced him to do it? Terrorists should start using that excuse!

"Sir, I didn't mean to crash this plane into the building! I was just texting, lol!"
With your logic though, it kinda goes like this -

Racing driver guy races against other racers (legal racing)

During the race his car touches another racers car by accident, spins them out, and kills them.

He was fully conscious that by racing this could happen

He deserves to go to prison


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Intentions are the important thing here.

If you undercook food by a mistake, let's say your thermometer was broken and gave a misreading, you serve the food to someone, they get food poisoning. It's not like you intended to give that person food poisioning, infact you went out of your way, even used a food thermometer, had no reason to suspect it was broke, food looked right, etc...

Another example -

Mother is looking after her child in the playground, another parent talks to her, she briefly isn't watching what her child is doing, something happens to child. The mother consciously made a decision to speak to the other parent, she only looked away from her child for 5 seconds. Therefore she intended on her child getting hurt? Obviously not.
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Originally Posted By TypicalGamer⏩
Are you serious? The guy knew damn well there's a risk associated with using a phone while driving. He made his choice and now he must pay the price. Do you know the real reaction this would have if we didn't have the law system as it is? The families of the victims would gather up and ****ing murder him. Your mentality belongs in Europe where they have these weak cuck laws.
pay the price = making tax payers pay the price of housing and feeding an otherwise productive citizen for 10 years

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This is a clear case of manslaughter, not murder. He didnt intend to kill them, but he did.

Im pretty sure all of us have checked our phones at the wheel. tragic
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Fuk people that text and drive. I can't stand that ****. Let him be an example.
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People who text and drive should be shot and beaten /10
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
With your logic though, it kinda goes like this -

Racing driver guy races against other racers (legal racing)

During the race his car touches another racers car by accident, spins them out, and kills them.

He was fully conscious that by racing this could happen

He deserves to go to prison


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Intentions are the important thing here.

If you undercook food by a mistake, let's say your thermometer was broken and gave a misreading, you serve the food to someone, they get food poisoning. It's not like you intended to give that person food poisioning, infact you went out of your way, even used a food thermometer, had no reason to suspect it was broke, food looked right, etc...

Another example -

Mother is looking after her child in the playground, another parent talks to her, she briefly isn't watching what her child is doing, something happens to child. The mother consciously made a decision to speak to the other parent, she only looked away from her child for 5 seconds. Therefore she intended on her child getting hurt? Obviously not.
Undercooking food because the thermometer broke is a lot different than drag racing and texting while driving you clown.

He INTENDED to text and drive.

So if someone grabs a shotgun, goes to a park, puts on a blindfold, spins around and discharges the weapon, and kills 2 people, is he guilty of murder?
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Originally Posted By DaddysGotANew45⏩
Their was some rich kid that went to my sisters high school that killed some people while drinking and driving

kid didn't get anytime because he was defended as "he was grown up privileged and his parents didn't tech him any better" or some bull chit like that


edit : I bet all the people saying he should get longer sentence / death, all are guilty of texting while driving at least once in their lives.
I'm not, but even if I was, so what?
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
Undercooking food because the thermometer broke is a lot different than drag racing and texting while driving you clown.

He INTENDED to text and drive.

So if someone grabs a shotgun, goes to a park, puts on a blindfold, spins around and discharges the weapon, and kills 2 people, is he guilty of murder?
We often do things without thinking about potential consequences.

You could be driving a long and reach down for your drink, feel that it's not in the place you left it, then glance down, find that your drink was in cup holder 1 instead of cup holder 2, look back up and crash into someone.

You could be driving a long, hear your phone buzz, glance down at it and reply, then think "Oh yeah, I shouldn't be doing this, gonna stop right now", glance back up, and crash into someone.

With hindsight we all agree that we should always have all of our attention on the road. But a lot of the time in any situation we get momentarily distracted, it's not that we decide "Oh wait one sec, gonna decide to get distracted here, I know I shouldn't decide to get distracted, but i'm going to decide to get distracted anyway, 1 sec".
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A trucker in Aus recently got 6 years or something for running over a womans stopped car on the highway cos he was getting a beej from a hooker and not paying attention.
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
We often do things without thinking about potential consequences.
When those consequences cause people to get killed, then they need to think about it more.
Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
You could be driving a long and reach down for your drink, feel that it's not in the place you left it, then glance down, find that your drink was in cup holder 1 instead of cup holder 2, look back up and crash into someone.

You could be driving a long, hear your phone buzz, glance down at it and reply, then think "Oh yeah, I shouldn't be doing this, gonna stop right now", glance back up, and crash into someone.
Yeah, do you know why they think "I shouldn't be doing this..."

BECAUSE IT CAUSES DEATH! Jeez man. Once you admit it's wrong, you lose your ignorance defense. One of the things about intent is if the person knows right from wrong - when you think "I shouldn't be doing this...." then if you DO do it it goes from fantasy to reality.

It's like To Catch a Predator. A lot of predators there would say "I kept thinking I shouldn't do this, this is stupid, I shouldn't have came to the house" but they did anyway - they went from fantasy to reality.

If something causes you to think "I shouldn't be doing this" well then guess what....

SHOULDN'T B DOING IT!
Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
With hindsight we all agree that we should always have all of our attention on the road. But a lot of the time in any situation we get momentarily distracted, it's not that we decide "Oh wait one sec, gonna decide to get distracted here, I know I shouldn't decide to get distracted, but i'm going to decide to get distracted anyway, 1 sec".
What's the difference between what this guy did and what James Holmes (the Batman shooter) did aside from body count?
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I know a guy from high school who killed 2 people drinking and driving. Super highly intoxicated he didn't even remember the accident or killing 2 people. Plus he just got a DUI 2 weeks prior to the accident, so guess he gave no ****s about the law.

He was sentenced to 13 years in 2009, but he just got off last year in 2015. Serving only 5-6 years on a 13 yr jail time? He got off for good behavior but I think prison overcrowding worked in his favor. I mean he's just a suburban white kid who posted himself chugging 40 oz.
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This is why I stopped using the AUX cable to play songs through my phone. I was also involved in a crash because I was changing songs on my phone. Luckily for me, it was a very minor crash. I just use CDs now.
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Tabloid caught 17 other foreign drivers doing it in just 90 MINUTES..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...toughened.html

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Originally Posted By JetFalcon⏩
I know a guy from high school who killed 2 people drinking and driving. Super highly intoxicated he didn't even remember the accident or killing 2 people. Plus he just got a DUI 2 weeks prior to the accident, so guess he gave no ****s about the law.

He was sentenced to 13 years in 2009, but he just got off last year in 2015. Serving only 5-6 years on a 13 yr jail time? He got off for good behavior but I think prison overcrowding worked in his favor. I mean he's just a suburban white kid who posted himself chugging 40 oz.
I've heard of a similar situation where an old associate of mine while drunk ran his penis into his own mothers poon. He didnt get in trouble or anything because his mom actually liked it. I seriously feel these situations are sick sometimes man, and these kinds of people should be held accountable.
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Texting drivers are just as bad or even worse than drunk drivers. At least dui drivers have their eyes on the road. Seen texting drivers before swerve into other lanes, run red lights, almost hit pedestrians in crosswalks.

Prison isn't just for a deterrent or to teach someone a lesson to change their behavior. Its more often than not a punishment. Good ol' fashioned emotional revenge.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
When those consequences cause people to get killed, then they need to think about it more.


Yeah, do you know why they think "I shouldn't be doing this..."

BECAUSE IT CAUSES DEATH! Jeez man. Once you admit it's wrong, you lose your ignorance defense. One of the things about intent is if the person knows right from wrong - when you think "I shouldn't be doing this...." then if you DO do it it goes from fantasy to reality.
It's like To Catch a Predator. A lot of predators there would say "I kept thinking I shouldn't do this, this is stupid, I shouldn't have came to the house" but they did anyway - they went from fantasy to reality.
If something causes you to think "I shouldn't be doing this" well then guess what....
SHOULDN'T B DOING IT!
What's the difference between what this guy did and what James Holmes (the Batman shooter) did aside from body count?
Just to your point about "I shouldn't be doing this..." -

So when the drink spills on you, and you look down and take your attention off the road, you just naturally look down to see what kinda mess you made. With hindsight we would keep our eyes on the road until we found a safe place to stop before looking down at the mess.

Distractions are something that can happen, we don't WANT to get distracted, and if we had a choice to cancel distractions from happening during periods of driving, that's something we would do.

If a woman lifts up her shirt in front of you, and your eyes gravitate towards her boobs, would you say you consciously decided to look at her boobs? If you touch a hot pan accidentally, and your hand flinches away from the pan, did you consciously decide to move your hand? No.

The difference between what the driver and a mass shooter did? One intended to kill people, the other got distracted and accidentally killed people. It's really not a good comparison at all, so not sure where you are going with this.
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
Just to your point about "I shouldn't be doing this..." -

So when the drink spills on you, and you look down and take your attention off the road, you just naturally look down to see what kinda mess you made. With hindsight we would keep our eyes on the road until we found a safe place to stop before looking down at the mess.

Distractions are something that can happen, we don't WANT to get distracted, and if we had a choice to cancel distractions from happening during periods of driving, that's something we would do.

If a woman lifts up her shirt in front of you, and your eyes gravitate towards her boobs, would you say you consciously decided to look at her boobs? If you touch a hot pan accidentally, and your hand flinches away from the pan, did you consciously decide to move your hand? No.

The difference between what the driver and a mass shooter did? One intended to kill people, the other got distracted and accidentally killed people. It's really not a good comparison at all, so not sure where you are going with this.
These are probably the worst analogies I've ever heard so I can't tell if you're being serious or not, but your "mother looks away for 5 seconds" one wasalmoston to something.

And the Batman shooter only intended to kill 3 people - should he have been charged with the other 9 deaths then?
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
And the Batman shooter only intended to kill 3 people - should he have been charged with the other 9 deaths then?
I dunno about the batman shooter case, but assuming he sprayed into a crowed, intending only to kill 3 chosen people, instead killed 9?

But if so -

That's like poisoning soup with the intention of killing 3 chosen people, knowing that those 3 people eat from said soup kitchen every night, however having full knowledge that hundreds of other people come for that soup every night and knowing they would get killed too.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
These are probably the worst analogies I've ever heard so I can't tell if you're being serious or not, but your "mother looks away for 5 seconds" one wasalmoston to something.

And the Batman shooter only intended to kill 3 people - should he have been charged with the other 9 deaths then?
Bruh, they gave the guy who was driving the truck a computer in prison.
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
It solves absolutely nothing on a individual level, infact i'd go as far as to say this guy would now probably be amongst the safest drivers in the world if he were to ever drive again just because he would be so haunted by what he had done in his past.
There's a story (massively paraphrased) about a pilot who nearly crashed and died because someone hadn't fueled or connected the propeller on his plane properly or something. After he got back he found the technician that fukked it up who was clearly terrified, and asked him to prep his plane again tomorrow, because that guy's now the safest aircraft technician in the world.

Can't even imagine how horrible that accident must have been physically. Whole car just *poof* becomes a third of it's size, how could they even get anything/anyone out of there. There are pics of the car but I can't see how it's not more horrible, or how they cleaned it up.
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Originally Posted By Wisop⏩
There's a story (massively paraphrased) about a pilot who nearly crashed and died because someone hadn't fueled or connected the propeller on his plane properly or something. After he got back he found the technician that fukked it up who was clearly terrified, and asked him to prep his plane again tomorrow, because that guy's now the safest aircraft technician in the world.

Can't even imagine how horrible that accident must have been physically.Whore car just *poof*becomes a third of it's size, how could they even get anything/anyone out of there. There are pics of the car but I can't see how it's not more horrible, or how they cleaned it up.
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