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Originally Posted By midcoastking33
it's why we're fat, diseased and depressed at unheard of rates
"From passion arises sorrow and from passion arises fear. If a man is free from passion, he is free from fear and sorrow. - The Buddha"

So, basically.. not wanting anything = free

Lest we need to point out that western societies are miles ahead of buddhist ones?

If you look up.nirvana theyre shriveled old indian men in leather diapers they chit in looking like they havent showered in months.

Meanwhile western nirvana is a mansion in a suit with a nice car.

I see the spiritual discussion and understand but if were talking from an OBJECTIVE point of view. One very clearly delineates a higher "quality" of life. Seeing as one is bathing in feces and the other is not

Also, im not explicitly stating this but you know misc montra likes to point out that liberalism is the downfall of society. Id argue egolessness is more a liberal cause and perhaps americas downturn coinsides with an uptick in liberalism? (Idk havent researched. Just suggesting)
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Originally Posted By kylelinn18
Special or different? Thats like saying people don't have different lives, different types of depths of suffering and experience. If anything, you are in a battle with yourself posting this. In fact, you sound very similar to most of the defensie/insecure/jealous girls I've talked to. get your **** in gear kid, you sound like a pussy
Neither special or different.

Pain and suffering only exist to discourage behaviours that lessen our chances of dna replication.

Morality only exists only because acting that way slightly increased the likelihood of survival of those who act that way.

Literally everything anyone ever does is done to increase their chances of dna replication.

I'm the least insecure person I have ever met 100% dead srs
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Originally Posted By krazy33
"From passion arises sorrow and from passion arises fear. If a man is free from passion, he is free from fear and sorrow. - The Buddha"

So, basically.. not wanting anything = free

Lest we need to point out that western societies are miles ahead of buddhist ones?

If you look up.nirvana theyre shriveled old indian men in leather diapers they chit in looking like they havent showered in months.

Meanwhile western nirvana is a mansion in a suit with a nice car.

I see the spiritual discussion and understand but if were talking from an OBJECTIVE point of view. One very clearly delineates a higher "quality" of life. Seeing as one is bathing in feces and the other is not

Also, im not explicitly stating this but you know misc montra likes to point out that liberalism is the downfall of society. Id argue egolessness is more a liberal cause and perhaps americas downturn coinsides with an uptick in liberalism? (Idk havent researched. Just suggesting)
objectively we rank middle of the pack in reported quality of life. you're already making assumptions that more wealth and success = more happiness which is not the case. is a billionaire in a better spot than a homeless ****lian? sure but that's a strawman
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Originally Posted By midcoastking33
objectively we rank middle of the pack in reported quality of life. you're already making assumptions that more wealth and success = more happiness which is not the case. is a billionaire in a better spot than a homeless ****lian? sure but that's a strawman
Right as i said, i understand

But as i said if you are objectively weighing quality of life there is one superior than the other

Whereby the billionaire has x qualities, x things, that we can objectively measure to purport a "higher quality" of life

Whereas a bum DOESNT have x qualities. Disregarding their spirituality

I will agree more wealth and success isnt inherent with happiness, but it could help

A bum struggling for 1 mcdouble cheeseburger prob isnt happy either
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Originally Posted By krazy33
"From passion arises sorrow and from passion arises fear. If a man is free from passion, he is free from fear and sorrow. - The Buddha"

So, basically.. not wanting anything = free

Lest we need to point out that western societies are miles ahead of buddhist ones?

If you look up.nirvana theyre shriveled old indian men in leather diapers they chit in looking like they havent showered in months.

Meanwhile western nirvana is a mansion in a suit with a nice car.

I see the spiritual discussion and understand but if were talking from an OBJECTIVE point of view. One very clearly delineates a higher "quality" of life. Seeing as one is bathing in feces and the other is not

Also, im not explicitly stating this but you know misc montra likes to point out that liberalism is the downfall of society. Id argue egolessness is more a liberal cause and perhaps americas downturn coinsides with an uptick in liberalism? (Idk havent researched. Just suggesting)
You make your points on the fact that you once googled nirvana. Wealthy people (with mansions and awesome vehicles) lived during the Buddha's time. He was also a wealthy prince with every luxury before he left his palace.

The Buddha taught for approx. 40 years after his awakening. Not once is there a record of him bathing in his feces.
Originally Posted By Buddha
How very happily we live,
free from hostility
among those who are hostile.
Among hostile people,
free from hostility we dwell.

How very happily we live,
free from misery
among those who are miserable.
Among miserable people,
free from misery we dwell.

How very happily we live,
free from busyness
among those who are busy.
Among busy people,
free from busyness we dwell.

How very happily we live,
we who have nothing.
We will feed on rapture
like the Radiant gods.
201

Winning gives birth to hostility.
Losing, one lies down in pain.
The calmed lie down with ease,
having set
winning & losing
aside.
202-204

There's no fire like passion,
no loss like anger,
no pain like the aggregates,
no ease other than peace.

Hunger: the foremost illness.
Fabrications: the foremost pain.
For one knowing this truth
as it actually is,
Unbinding
is the foremost ease.

Freedom from illness: the foremost good fortune.
Contentment: the foremost wealth.
Trust: the foremost kinship.
Unbinding: the foremost ease.
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Originally Posted By Tamorlane
You make your points on the fact that you once googled nirvana. Wealthy people (with mansions and awesome vehicles) lived during the Buddha's time. He was also a wealthy prince with every luxury before he left his palace.

The Buddha taught for approx. 40 years after his awakening. Not once is there a record of him bathing in his feces.
Ive been interested in finding out when meditating actually started

Also, youre on a bodybuilding forum. It generally takes hard work, rigidity, sticking to a plan -- passion, identity, etc.

It does NOT take egolessness; its literally about the ego. And yet, its a high accomplishment

Buddha was fat, literally all intepretations of buddha have him fat.

I knew he was a rich and hes the pinnacle of what people talk about when meditating but idk if it was a practice before him.

In another thread similar to this. Someone posited that meditating started because back in asia, the kings were di*ks. The kings would take all of the women and everything they had

As a result a subsect of people were tired of "wanting" things so set out to create a philosophy that would kill them wanting to have anything

No idea how credible it is but it makes sense
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It's one thing to have ego and another to be so self centered that you feel everyone else is beneath you. Big difference.


Also, who you think you are as a person doesn't mean sh!t to the rest of us and is almost always inaccurate. The person you are is defined by what others think of you, not how you view yourself.

Example:

Twenty people who know Jimmy think he's an a$$hole, but Jimmy doesn't think he's an a$$hole. Is Jimmy an a$$hole?

You're damn right he is.
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Originally Posted By krazy33
Right as i said, i understand

But as i said if you are objectively weighing quality of life there is one superior than the other

Whereby the billionaire has x qualities, x things, that we can objectively measure to purport a "higher quality" of life

Whereas a bum DOESNT have x qualities. Disregarding their spirituality

I will agree more wealth and success isnt inherent with happiness, but it could help

A bum struggling for 1 mcdouble cheeseburger prob isnt happy either
Nietzsche talks about "Will to Power", which he says is the no. 1 driving force in a humans life. And the use of power does not mean "strength", "political power" etc. It means to express who you truly are.
Now if a homeless guy lives the life he wants to and is following his true path he is "manifesting" or expressing his will to power just as much as a financial banker, who also is on a true path. They both have overcome a lot of programming and enslavement to figure out what they want in life.

Also a lot of philosophers would argue that a hard life - with few choices - is a happier life.
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Originally Posted By krazy33
Buddha was fat, literally all intepretations of buddha have him fat.
That isn't Gautama Buddha, it's a Chinese folklore figure named Budai

If you're wrong about something as simple as that, consider how you may be wrong about other concepts.
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Without ego you merely just exist.

Basically just a lung for trees and nothing more.

The ego is humanity. Stimulation.

It's what sets us apart from the animals.

When was the last time you heard of a mollusc experiencing torment/ecstacy?

FUK those eastern mystics (SRS). We weren't put here to sit cross-legged in silence for 70 years. Those *******s have got it all wrong.

Without ego, we mankind would still be pointless apes.
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The ego is f*cking freudian psychology not some kind of colloquialism bull**** just fukking lol @ all of the uneducated retards itt.

It is not what you think it is.
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Originally Posted By 420Layers
The ego is f*cking freudian psychology not some kind of colloquialism bull**** just fukking lol @ all of the uneducated retards itt.

It is not what you think it is.
it's not a real thing but trust me, you dont want egolessness

you are generally 100% operating under the pretense there is a "you".

when you say there is a "you" you are generally thinking about your body, but it literally only applies to consciousness

anyways, i dont get it because i have papers stating the "wanting" things is necessary and that the "ego" as a holding place is necessary. otherwise we'd be brain dead

this is how i dont get it's association with something good. i USED to think i knew what it was talking about but the true thing is horrible. i also had these same identity problems when i freaked out on weed

think about the most insecure you've ever been and compound that times 100
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Nothing wrong with the ego, but Im pretty sure the ego is not ultimately real or true. Its an illusion, but its all we got. Everyone has to wear a costume one way or the other. I believe that not identifying with your ego is the true potential of a human being tho and will lead to a much better way to live your life, but you probably wont have much motivation to get chit done.

Getting a lot of chit done is overrated though. I mean, Stalin and Hitler did a lot of stuff, but wouldnt it be best if they just sat at home smoking da herb instead?
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp
Without ego you merely just exist.

Basically just a lung for trees and nothing more.

The ego is humanity. Stimulation.

It's what sets us apart from the animals.

When was the last time you heard of a mollusc experiencing torment/ecstacy?

FUK those eastern mystics (SRS). We weren't put here to sit cross-legged in silence for 70 years. Those *******s have got it all wrong.

Without ego, we mankind would still be pointless apes.
We are pointless apes.

The "ego" in this context is just a way of giving worth to ourselves, because a sense of self worth make us want to preserve our lives, thus resulting in more opportunities to reproduce.

However I agree that this is a good thing, without this, we have no desire to live and experience success, thus not being rewarded by our brains for these actions.

If you want tk move beyond the idea of humans as DNA replicators the only reasons to live are the pleasurable chemicals our brain produces.
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Some people in here are mistaking the ego with a deluded ego (aka Testifier).

There not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the self-fuelled desire to improve/create.

Something everyone is born with.

But I know that without it, you might as welll be dead.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp
Some people in here are mistaking the ego with being someone with a deluded ego (aka Testifier).

There not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the self-fuelled desire to improve/create.

Something everyone is born with.

But I know that without it, you might as welll be dead.
That's the id bro srs
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A lot of people don't know how to control their egos and become either narcissistic or sociopaths, but generally you need an ego to function, it's part of having a self-esteem in the first place, and people who say otherwise are usually just insecure weirdos from my experience
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains
That's the id bro srs
What's that?

It also remains to be seen if we are pointless apes.

Perhaps the ego is true self awareness. The universe has finally recognised itself.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp
What's that?

It also remains to be seen if we are pointless apes.

Perhaps the ego is true self awareness. The universe has finally recognised itself.
-in freudian psychology, the psyche is made up if three parts.

The id is your base instinctual desires and drive
The superego is the societal/moral restrictions on how we live

And the ego mediates between the forces of the id and superego to provide the correct/moat optimal responses to situations.

-The ego that people itt are talking about is a constructed sense of self based on what we think we should be.

-The ego others are talking about is a personification of high self worth, seen to be exaggerated, this is similar but not the same as the second meaning.

You are talking more about the id - the base desires and motivations we have, but to some extent also the ideas we have about ourselves and how we should be, but *******s itt are talking about freeing themselves from their self laid/base expectations/sense of self to find enlightenment - or just about not being arrogant

Like everything in misc 90% of the argument is semantics.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp
Ever noticed how most of the people who criticise the ego are unemployed, lazy drug addicts?

Ever noticed how Buddhist Monks who practice an ego-less existence are nothing more than unproductive oxygen thieves?

Our egoes seperate us from garden snails.

Ego is pride
Ego is ambition
Ego is drive

Lack of ego = depression.

Never listen to people who strive to achieve ego death.

Those people are weak and have given up.
You're kind of talking semantics. Maybe that's not the right term that i'm thinking of. It's like you're describing stuff that you're confused about or don't really understand and using terms loosely.

The "monks" that you're referring to aren't trying to destroy their self-esteem; they're trying to find truth/awareness/clarity. For instance, most people want money because they think "x" amount of money will get them that "thing" and they will finally be happy/complete. What they usually find is a false sense of happiness that is never enough. True happiness isn't momentary joy/excitement... it is a feeling of being at peace no matter the circumstance. Like a rainstorm could roll through and destroy your picnic and instead of being annoyed/angry about something outside you're like a little kid throwing food and rolling around in the mud.

The "monk" type people you're referring to are trying to rid themselves of attachments. Attachments are those things that cause you say to yourself, "I will be happy if..." or "I will be happy when..." consciously or subconsciously.
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Ego is just another word for misguided confidence.
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You're kind of talking semantics.
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Originally Posted By krazy33
Right as i said, i understand

But as i said if you are objectively weighing quality of life there is one superior than the other

Whereby the billionaire has x qualities, x things, that we can objectively measure to purport a "higher quality" of life

Whereas a bum DOESNT have x qualities. Disregarding their spirituality

I will agree more wealth and success isnt inherent with happiness, but it could help

A bum struggling for 1 mcdouble cheeseburger prob isnt happy either
It's interesting that poor person struggling for one cheeseburger can be just as unhappy or more at peace than a celebrity or billionaire.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp
Some people in here are mistaking the ego with a deluded ego (aka Testifier).

There not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the self-fuelled desire to improve/create.

Something everyone is born with.


But I know that without it, you might as welll be dead.
Is that the truth though? Most people i know are out to do something, to make money, so they can finally be a ball'er, and then flaunt it. That is the stereotypical idea of success in the USA. So much so that for most people it controls all their daily actions.

Kids are interesting because they show us how we could be if we didn't have all the bullchit lies filling up our head. They find happiness and peace in just doing the things they like to do... not in what those things will "supposedly" give them monetarily. I've seen too many people give up on what they're passionate about because they were afraid they couldn't make enough money doing it to be happy.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu
Is that the truth though? Most people i know are out to do something, to make money, so they can finally be a ball'er, and then flaunt it. That is the stereotypical idea of success in the USA. So much so that for most people it controls all their daily actions.

Kids are interesting because they show us how we could be if we didn't have all the bullchit lies filling up our head. They find happiness and peace in just doing the things they like to do... not in what those things will "supposedly" give them monetarily. I've seen too many people give up on what they're passionate about because they were afraid they couldn't make enough money doing it to be happy.
Everyone is born with the only purpose to reproduce and ensure the survival of their offspring. Srs

All the things you outline and any others are means to the same end.

Lol at looking at kids like that srs, adults can never be of the same mindset at kids, this the comparison is irrelevant.
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains
You are literally a DNA replication machine and nothing more.

Get over it.
The fact you even had that thought pretty much goes against your post dummy.

An ant is a DNA replicating machine.

I'm not the same as an ant, his life is fixed, I can do almost anything I want.

You played yourself boyo.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
At least it will thunderstorm tonight, and we know how they feel about water. :)
^^^Racist police officer who also cries about how racism doesn't exist, also cries reverse racism and typifies the stupidity of the racist right, referring to black people as "they" and regurgitating racist stereotypes.
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