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Thread: Elon Musk can't build a profitable solar company

post 1512917811 07-21-2017, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted By L0rdHumongous⏩
LMAO!!! Gas/oil is also taxed at around 25-50 cents per gallon depending on each state. Instead of making 3 grades - Diesel, 89 and 92, they are required by each state to make specific grades which costs a chit ton more. You idiots know that there's oil just off shore, but they are forced to build rigs far out due to regulations. Due to that the max penalty was something like $250mil, yet we fined BP 10's of billions. Yeah, they really catch a break.

brb.. average oil field worker making 100k
brb.. Tesla importing Eastern European slave labor to work in their factories
This has what to do with what I wrote? Oh, yeah, nothing. If you don't believe that Saudi Arabia is the largest sponsor of terrorism in the world and the only reason we continue to be friends with them is for access to oil then you're just willingly ignorant. Complete energy independence should be a top priority and why wouldn't you want to make clean renewables the dominant source? Let me guess, because your job will go extinct. Oil field tradie detected.
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Not to mention that Tesla still isn't even in profit yet AND he wants to go to fly to mars or some chit?

I can't tell if he's a visionary, or just rich guy who gets bored easily.
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post 1512918531 07-21-2017, 11:24 AM
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He is a scientist not a businessman. And as usual he strongly lacks a sense of scale, reality, and business sense to actually make ideas work.
Though investors/marketeers love these people so they can attract investment into it and cash out.
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Oh look, another thread where every miscer is smarter than elon musk. Sounds about right

Why don't you *******s try starting your own tech company and then see how you feel about elon musk

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Originally Posted By mynameisuntz⏩
I don't have any sort of quarrel with this. If all Musk does is bring more attention to these sorts of issues and increase public support for renewables, while the larger breakthroughs occur through lesser known companies and utility companies, I'm fine with that. I have no allegiance to Musk or Tesla: I just want to see the work get done. If raising public awareness is the first step, then kudos to Musk for doing so. If the real work won't be done through Tesla, then kudos to whoever will accomplish it.

I'm more against the mindset of "the technology isn't there yet" or "look at all these government subsidies, therefore let's just abandon ship" rather than anything Tesla-focused.
That's where we disagree. The public imagination is captured for sure, but in the wrong way. Everyone thinks technology will save us at the end, but time and time again it has brought up pain and suffering, war and pollution, corruption in money and politics... the list goes on and on.

There is an inherit danger in marching ahead with seemingly good intention, without understanding neither the end goal nor the means to get there. Capturing the public's attention on energy issue does not equate to a better outcome for the future. This would be the right time to quote Eisenhower on the military-industrial complex. There are forces at work here that are not what they seem to you nor the public. I'm hoping for the best, but I'm a little pessimistic to be honest. We're not moving in the right direction in my opinion.
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post 1512919361 07-21-2017, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted By LegDayLol⏩
Not to mention that Tesla still isn't even in profit yet AND he wants to go to fly to mars or some chit?

I can't tell if he's a visionary, or just rich guy who gets bored easily.
I think he may be more of the mind that he planted the seed, now let somebody else tend to it while he plants more seeds.

It's actually smart IMO cause in 100 years when we're all gone history books will say he helped solve this problem, that problem, so on, Vs. saying he completely solved one problem.

Keep in mind too that he's trying to solve pretty significant issues, not exactly whether Miller Lite is popular because "great taste" Vs. "less filling"
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At least it will thunderstorm tonight, and we know how they feel about water. :)
^^^Racist police officer who also cries about how racism doesn't exist, also cries reverse racism and typifies the stupidity of the racist right, referring to black people as "they" and regurgitating racist stereotypes.
post 1512919641 07-21-2017, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted By Mizzoutiger26⏩
Musk gonna have all you goons eating your words.
nah. his wife will cuck him again, take all his stuff and send him into a deep depression.
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post 1512919721 07-21-2017, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
It's not learning though. It's just following a pre-determined algorithm written by a programming team. It might appear to be "learning" to the layman, but it's not.
Then how does a self driving car that doesn't know how to drive in snow then, reprogram itself to drive in snow without causing accidents if you don't call it learning?


It's just an algorithm of inputs to outputs... Snow is an input. the output is a computer program knowing to brake sooner (for example), not turn so sharply, and slow down a little - these programs are understanding and learning the very dynamics of driving a car better than a human ever could.
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post 1512920071 07-21-2017, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted By PisseninMisc⏩
That's where we disagree. The public imagination is captured for sure, but in the wrong way. Everyone thinks technology will save us at the end, but time and time again it has brought up pain and suffering, war and pollution, corruption in money and politics... the list goes on and on.
But you can't completely ignore all the good technology does for us in day to day life and just focus on the bad.

I don't think technology can even be bad unless it's good, that's to say: A worthless invention won't "catch on".

EVERYTHING has a good side and bad side ex. the sun is one of the main reason's we're here, yet may eventually kill us (if we don't kill ourselves).
The billionaire and the beggar both have 24 hours in a day.

That's why grandma's apple pie rocks and yours sucks.
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
At least it will thunderstorm tonight, and we know how they feel about water. :)
^^^Racist police officer who also cries about how racism doesn't exist, also cries reverse racism and typifies the stupidity of the racist right, referring to black people as "they" and regurgitating racist stereotypes.
post 1512920421 07-21-2017, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted By MarinoMike⏩
Then how does a self driving car that doesn't know how to drive in snow then, reprogram itself to drive in snow without causing accidents if you don't call it learning?


It's just an algorithm of inputs to outputs... Snow is an input. the output is a computer program knowing to brake sooner (for example), not turn so sharply, and slow down a little - these programs are understanding and learning the very dynamics of driving a car better than a human ever could.
LOL let me play the "good parent" here and suggest "maybe you're both right?" (srs).
The billionaire and the beggar both have 24 hours in a day.

That's why grandma's apple pie rocks and yours sucks.
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
At least it will thunderstorm tonight, and we know how they feel about water. :)
^^^Racist police officer who also cries about how racism doesn't exist, also cries reverse racism and typifies the stupidity of the racist right, referring to black people as "they" and regurgitating racist stereotypes.
post 1512920811 07-21-2017, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted By Omnivium⏩
Oh look, another thread where every miscer is smarter than elon musk. Sounds about right

Why don't you *******s try starting your own tech company and then see how you feel about elon musk

Inb4 excuses
You don't have to be smart to fool the government into giving you money. No one is saying he isn't smart, we're just mad that he's using tax payer money to fund his projects. If private investors aren't willing to foot the bill for his projects why should the government force the rest of us to pay for it?
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he needed government handouts for tesla/spacex, lol just fken lol
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Originally Posted By MarinoMike⏩
Then how does a self driving car that doesn't know how to drive in snow then, reprogram itself to drive in snow without causing accidents if you don't call it learning?


It's just an algorithm of inputs to outputs... Snow is an input. the output is a computer program knowing to brake sooner (for example), not turn so sharply, and slow down a little - these programs are understanding and learning the very dynamics of driving a car better than a human ever could.
That's not AI. It's not learning. It's following it's programming. The intelligence went into the program when it was written by people. All of the driving conditions you're talking about are detected with sensors and there are subroutines that analyze those inputs much more quickly than a human can, thus allowing the car to make adjustments on the brakes more quickly, according to the program already written and which is running. That's all.

In your example, true AI would be to hookup all sorts of sensors and allow the system to determine on its own which inputs are relevant and which aren't and then determine how to best use those inputs to control the brakes and achieve the best overall outcome. This doesn't really exist yet. The coding problem to be solved is massive and right now that's the only way we know how to even approach the problem. To have true AI (if we ever do), the coding size issue must be resolved first. You simply can't write and debug the hundreds of millions of lines of code that would be required to roughly approximate the capabilities of the human brain. We also don't have the hardware for that yet.
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post 1512922601 07-21-2017, 11:56 AM
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I think he is smart and respect his mission. But he is absolutely cucking shareholders of his companies, especially on the solar city merger.
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Originally Posted By MarinoMike⏩
If there's one company I'm calling undervalued even at $700.00 it's TESLA.
you wut m8? its a cult stock, they have hardly any market share! completely subsidized by the government. you know not what you speak.
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And we're all here posting on Misc. Just lol.
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Originally Posted By SnowEh⏩
You don't have to be smart to fool the government into giving you money. No one is saying he isn't smart, we're just mad that he's using tax payer money to fund his projects. If private investors aren't willing to foot the bill for his projects why should the government force the rest of us to pay for it?
Shouldn't we be mad at the government then? They are the ones taking our money and giving it to him
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Originally Posted By Omnivium⏩
Shouldn't we be mad at the government then? They are the ones taking our money and giving it to him
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
That's not AI. It's not learning. It's following it's programming.
It may be programming, and part of a pre-designed code. But do you remember when Microsoft tried that whole AI chatbot twitter account? Within 24 hours it was a feminist hating, nazi. It "learned" based off of what people tweeted and talked to it about.
Now picture that but instead of it "learning" text, it mimics actions. It doesn't have to have a self learning AI for it to become dangerous. If it mimic and learns actions from people, it takes a handful of fuked up people to make it dangerous. And a robot like this isn't that far down the line. Having a safety protocol that can shut it down if anything does go wrong is essentially what the few posters were trying to say.
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Originally Posted By Omnivium⏩
Shouldn't we be mad at the government then? They are the ones taking our money and giving it to him
You're absolutely right. I can't criticize him though, I'd be doing the same thing.
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Originally Posted By SnowEh⏩
You don't have to be smart to fool the government into giving you money. No one is saying he isn't smart, we're just mad that he's using tax payer money to fund his projects. If private investors aren't willing to foot the bill for his projects why should the government force the rest of us to pay for it?
Yeah it's not like the government ever subsidises private corporations
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Originally Posted By terrysorange⏩
Yeah it's not like the government ever subsidises private corporations
In the United States, the federal government has paid US$74 billion for energy subsidies to support R&D for nuclear power ($50 billion) and fossil fuels ($24 billion) from 1973 to 2003. During this same timeframe, renewable energy technologies and energy efficiency received a total of US $26 billion.
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Pisseningmisc is right. Tech advances and new labor markets have allowed us to phuck things up differently and feel better about it. We know what we have to do- scale back consumption drastically. We will never do that so we look for creative fake solutions.
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Solar is such a fraud, thanks Obama. Lol at all the money spent in something that is so terrible for the environment to produce and touting it as environmentally friendly. Meanwhile nuclear energy gets a bad rap because of lack of education and "Mah nukes" come on guys let's get with the program here.
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This thread is full of phuking idiots

If you know anything about the guy you'd realize he doesn't care about how much money he's making he literally wants to improve humanity. When you think of the decisions he is making they're not to maximize profit. He's a little delusional yes but he's smart as hell. The reason he got government funding for SpaceX is bc their rockets finally succeeded and they're currently the only ones doing launches to space in the US at much cheaper prices. He's exposed car companies and government-funded companies like Boeing and Northrop Grumman (NASA too) for blowing unnecessary millions of dollars on outdated technology
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ility-ranking/

Decent article on the issue of solar although it's a bit outdated (2014)

Meanwhile nuclear power produces far less waste and is much easier to recycle. We just need to educate the population and build new reactors that are safer and more catastrophe proof to avoid issues like in Japan.
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Originally Posted By Meatie⏩
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Originally Posted By PisseninMisc⏩
That's where we disagree. The public imagination is captured for sure, but in the wrong way. Everyone thinks technology will save us at the end, but time and time again it has brought up pain and suffering, war and pollution, corruption in money and politics... the list goes on and on.
I think it's perhaps too generalizing to subsume all these harmful outcomes with all technological endeavors. That is, to imply that technology always brings these harms is risky. I think many of these things are inherent inallkinds of technological pursuits; it doesn't necessarily mean the aims or technological intentions are not on the right (and necessary) track.
There is an inherit danger in marching ahead with seemingly good intention, without understanding neither the end goal nor the means to get there. Capturing the public's attention on energy issue does not equate to a better outcome for the future. This would be the right time to quote Eisenhower on the military-industrial complex. There are forces at work here that are not what they seem to you nor the public. I'm hoping for the best, but I'm a little pessimistic to be honest. We're not moving in the right direction in my opinion.
Well, what should be done? We know of global climate change, we know of pollution, we know of all the harmful effects associated with continued use of fossil fuels and coal. What should we do about that?
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this thread is literally a bunch of morons..first its hyperloop not hyperlink.

Second EV may not be better for the environment in general because it still uses electricity from coal and gas but it helps prevent crowded cities from having horrible air quality. It's not exactly a strong argument but probably the only positive thing about it at the moment.

Solar panels may not be good for many areas but in countries or areas where electricity prices are through the roof it is actually very economical and pays off within 5-7 years. This is the case in many small/island nations. Maybe majority of the US where electricity is cheaper it may not be

Half of Musk's companies are completely overvalued today and he himself says that..whether they will turn profitable or not is yet to be seen but they will defnitely become too big to fail imo
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http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...t-clean-energy

Another good article
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