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post 1536897181 12-08-2017, 07:45 AM
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Electrically it's easy to determine the shape of the earth because the flux lines follow a spherical pattern of intensity which is directly related to the material it travels from and through.

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Originally Posted By white_pele
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you've never been on a transatlantic flight.. Measurable proof? How about travel around the world moron, start in one point, go west, end up back in the same spot
I'm not necessarily a flat earther, but it really bothers me when globe-believers immediately discredit and ridicule flat earth theory when it's obvious they haven't even spent 20 seconds looking into it and don't even know its basic tenets. Traveling east-west on the flat earth model takes you around the North Pole. You'd still end up in the same spot. To disprove flat earth theory you'd have to circumnavigate across the South Pole, but surprise surprise there are no flights across the South Pole and it's never been done once in history.
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Originally Posted By Malakaibeats
Maybe I didn't explain myself clearly. I'll put it very simply: for your theory to be correct, you'd have to prove to me that an airplane's navigation system doesn't take into account the curvature of the Earth (except for a heading North/South or East/West along the Equator).
Wait so when you see the curved path on the flight monitors you think that means the plane is slightly veering to the left in its flight path? The "curve" just appears due to distortion of mapping it out on a flat map (not the flat earth map). THE PLANE IS TRAVELING IN A STRAIGHT LINE WHETHER ON A GLOBE OR ON THE FLAT EARTH MODEL. I'll repeat that again, PLANES TRAVEL IN STRAIGHT LINES. The globe and the flat earth map are the exact same, the flat earth map is just wrapped around a sphere. The only difference is antarctica.
post 1536899361 12-08-2017, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted By Gios
We'd still be able to see the sun
Again, I'm just here to represent the flat earth perspective but don't necessarily believe it. There are arguments that flat earthers make for why we can't see the sun due to perspective angle and atmospheric lensing when it disappears into the horizon as it moves farther away and passes the vanishing point at the center of our field of vision.



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Originally Posted By dusky99
In order to even contemplate the possibility of flat earth theory, you need to consider the possibility that everything we've been told about gravitational physics is a hoax with formulas created based on presuppositions to support the globe earth model. To put it bluntly, flat earthers do not believe that gravity exists. They do not believe in planets, stars, solar systems, and the entire concept of space either. They believe that everything NASA and other space agencies have released since the moon landings is fake. They believe that space agencies are controlled by Freemasons who have been intentionally deceiving humanity for centuries.
But why? Why the elaborate cover up by anyone to get everyone to believe the Earth is round?
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Originally Posted By white_pele
wut? you can literally see it from a plane
You have to realise these people have never left the 20 mile area surrounding their little town.

I'm sure a good few of them don't even believe planes exist.
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Originally Posted By AlvinDavenport
There are weather balloons at 80,000 feet that can detect the curvature of the earth.
You mean cameras with fish-eye lenses? Here is a balloon at 121,000 feet, still no curvature visible.

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Originally Posted By dusky99
I'm not necessarily a flat earther, but it really bothers me when globe-believers immediately discredit and ridicule flat earth theory when it's obvious they haven't even spent 20 seconds looking into it and don't even know its basic tenets. Traveling east-west on the flat earth model takes you around the North Pole. You'd still end up in the same spot. To disprove flat earth theory you'd have to circumnavigate across the South Pole, but surprise surprise there are no flights across the South Pole and it's never been done once in history.
Go to flightaware.com right now. Look at the flights between Australia and South America. Look at the flight times. These flights happen every day with hundreds of people on board each plane.

Now look at the distance between those two places on globe earth and flat earth.

On globe earth its a 7,000 mile flight that takes 12 hours, for an average speed of 580 mph roughly...which is the speed commercial aircraft fly. They do this every day.

On flat earth, Australia and South America are on opposite ends of the earth. The flight path on flat earth would mean around a 20,000 mile flight...which for a 12 hour flight would mean the passenger plane is flying at Mach 2.2 or so, or faster than an F-22 Raptor.

Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted By Malakaibeats
No, they do not adjust for altitude because they fly within the Earth's atmosphere which also follows the curvature of the Earth. Altitude is measured from the Earth's surface, which is curved, therefore no adjustments are necessary as long as the airplane is holding a fixed altitude.

What the navigation systems do adjust is heading, where the Earth's curvature applies to their path, as in, any flight path that isn't East/West along the Equator or North/South. This isn't done actively by the pilots, because it's a built-in formula that allows the systems to take the Earth's curvature into account when mapping a flight path.
You still don't understand. The flights travel in a straight line, nobody disputes this. The globe map and flat earth map ARE THE EXACT SAME, except flat earthers believe the flat earth map is simply wrapped around a sphere. The flight paths would be the exact same whether it's a globe map or flat earth map.
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Originally Posted By dusky99
To disprove flat earth theory you'd have to circumnavigate across the South Pole, but surprise surprise there are no flights across the South Pole and it's never been done once in history.
Pan Am Flight 50 in a 747SP in 1977. The reason why there are no current commercial flights across the south pole are because of ETOPS regulations and requiring diversion airports within a certain proximity of a given flight plan, of which, Antarctica is lacking immensely.
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Originally Posted By Supaduck0
Think about it though, if you take a photograph of Earth, the shape of it may be round, but the photograph itself is flat, because it came from Earth
I guess it depends on which picture of earth you prefer, because it looks completely different in each one. It bothers me that globe earthers immediately ridicule flat earthers for being idiots when they're skeptical in response to NASA pictures like this:



Who are the ones blindly believing authority figures?
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Originally Posted By dusky99
You mean cameras with fish-eye lenses? Here is a balloon at 121,000 feet, still no curvature visible.
And what causes people to see curvature when they're looking out of a plane window at 39,000 feet?
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Originally Posted By dusky99
I guess it depends on which picture of earth you prefer, because it looks completely different in each one. It bothers me that globe earthers immediately ridicule flat earthers for being idiots when they're skeptical in response to NASA pictures like this:



Who are the ones blindly believing authority figures?
What's that about "blindly believing" without understanding an argument or the science behind it?
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-bl...g-earth.t6616/
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Originally Posted By AlvinDavenport
And what causes people to see curvature when they're looking out of a plane window at 39,000 feet?
The rounded windows by passenger seats creates a fish-eye lens effect.
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Originally Posted By GarthVader
But why? Why the elaborate cover up by anyone to get everyone to believe the Earth is round?
There are theories but it's all just speculation, but that argument is basically the following, "I can't comprehend any possible motive for why anyone would commit this crime therefore it can't be true."
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Originally Posted By dusky99
The rounded windows by passenger seats creates a fish-eye lens effect.
Impossible. When using a camera with a wide angle lense, you get curvature distortion no matter what altitude you're at. In airplane, you only see curvature when you're above a certain altitude.
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how the phuck would the earth be flat? flopping around in space like a pancake?
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Originally Posted By dusky99
I guess it depends on which picture of earth you prefer, because it looks completely different in each one. It bothers me that globe earthers immediately ridicule flat earthers for being idiots when they're skeptical in response to NASA pictures like this:



Who are the ones blindly believing authority figures?
And for your reference (and referencing my debunking link posted before), the 2007 photograph was taken from a NOAA Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite which operates at an altitude of 22,300 miles. The 2012 photograph is a composite photograph which was taken from the Suomi NPP polar orbit satellite orbiting at an altitude of 512 miles.
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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues
how the phuck would the earth be flat? flopping around in space like a pancake?
the earth rides upon a skinny white girl's buttocks.
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Originally Posted By dusky99
Compare the size of North America in 2007 and 2012. These are official NASA images. I'm not saying I'm a flat earther, but every picture of the earth looks like straight-up CGI.



This is a time lapse of the moon passing by the earth, straight from NASA.gov. Does this look real to you?



Raw NASA image of Saturn's moon Pan, does this look real to you?



Just a wild guess here, but maybe North america looks larger in the 2012 image because it is in the middle of the field of view? In the 2007 and 1997 views, earth is in the top-left corner of the field of view, which will seriously skew how it looks from head onsince it is on a sphere

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And for your reference (and referencing my debunking link posted before), the 2007 photograph was taken from a NOAA Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite which operates at an altitude of 22,300 miles. The 2012 photograph is a composite photograph which was taken from the Suomi NPP polar orbit satellite orbiting at an altitude of 512 miles.
well, an even better explanation.


also regarding the 'fakeness' of the pictures, when there is no atmosphere sunlight is actually very overpowering in a photograph, which can make it look strangely saturated and prevents stars from being visible. You just simply can't tell because you can't see the sunlight reflected on anything that isn't thousands of miles away.
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Originally Posted By dusky99
The rounded windows by passenger seats creates a fish-eye lens effect.
If that is true, why is there no fish-eye lens effect when on the ground or at lower altitudes?

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Originally Posted By dusky99
You still don't understand. The flights travel in a straight line, nobody disputes this. The globe map and flat earth map ARE THE EXACT SAME, except flat earthers believe the flat earth map is simply wrapped around a sphere. The flight paths would be the exact same whether it's a globe map or flat earth map.
You're right and I completely misunderstood the data I was reading regarding the adjustments flight navigation instruments make on long-distance flights, my bad. However, a couple posts above there is a very good point made, how do you explain a flight between Australia and South America?
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Originally Posted By Retoaded
Go to flightaware.com right now. Look at the flights between Australia and South America. Look at the flight times. These flights happen every day with hundreds of people on board each plane.

Now look at the distance between those two places on globe earth and flat earth.

On globe earth its a 7,000 mile flight that takes 12 hours, for an average speed of 580 mph roughly...which is the speed commercial aircraft fly. They do this every day.

On flat earth, Australia and South America are on opposite ends of the earth. The flight path on flat earth would mean around a 20,000 mile flight...which for a 12 hour flight would mean the passenger plane is flying at Mach 2.2 or so, or faster than an F-22 Raptor.

Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted By dusky99
I'm not necessarily a flat earther, but it really bothers me when globe-believers immediately discredit and ridicule flat earth theory when it's obvious they haven't even spent 20 seconds looking into it and don't even know its basic tenets.Traveling east-west on the flat earth model takes you around the North Pole. You'd still end up in the same spot. To disprove flat earth theory you'd have to circumnavigate across the South Pole, but surprise surprise there are no flights across the South Pole and it's never been done once in history.
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Originally Posted By Retoaded
On flat earth, Australia and South America are on opposite ends of the earth. The flight path on flat earth would mean around a 20,000 mile flight...which for a 12 hour flight would mean the passenger plane is flying at Mach 2.2 or so, or faster than an F-22 Raptor.

Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted By Exoctical
A lot of them aren't even trolling. They believe this bs, which makes it even more sad.
I think the ones making videos ect are trolls. And simple minded people take it serious. Like the outcast ugly person becoming gay transgender whatever and looking for somewhere to fit in.
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