Why is marriage important to you Luc?

I want to get married - even though as a man (w/ resources, breadwinner) I open myself up to greater risk because I want traditional roles. That's why I always talk about seeking core virtues in a partner over the ****e Leo and other miscers talk about. I'd happily marry a 6/10 over a 9/10 if she had higher integrity, loyalty and family values.

That makes sense if you don't love someone. That is way too fast to get over someone you were with for 3 years and truly loved.

With this, i have to disagree my man Wincel.


Women can, and women do fall out of love easily, or at least they are cold and strong enough to TRICK themselves into believing they have fallen out of love. Especially women who are reaching at age where they expected to already be married, girls have a strong survival instinc, they seek a good male provider of security, love becomes second place when the one they love is a beta immature dude who has no plans of grabbing the bulls by the horns and marrying the girl.


They literally have no choice but to fall out of love, and if the girl is attractive, and has a few Chad/Cucks willing to treat them like princesses, that just makes the whole process easier.

Kind of admire that from woman, how strong they can be. One day they grab all that love they feel for you, and push it all together into a tiny ball of feelings, they push it down their bodies in a place they can easily ignore, and they decide to ignore that ball until the ball goes by itself. If they have a russian Chad fuking them good, especially a married Russian who of course has good experience in bed, then that ball dissapears quickly.



Been there done that. A girl loved me to death until one day she realized i wasnt gonna marry her, she moved on, i couldnt believe it.

This past summer I had a crush on this guy, but then I found out he didn't want a relationship. That crush went away real quick.

1. Indecisive guy lets a good woman go
2. and regrets it

Because he threw her away because he didn’t know any better, and you talking in your vicious memes don’t know any better



Because I’m trying to help him, he’s done everything he can...if he now wallows, objectifying her, scheming and planning to get her back he will waste his time and his life. He needs to grieve and move on and remember the reality of his feelings and not this rose tinted view of perfect girl

She wasn’t

Nobody is

And next time, when he feels these feels he acts on it

Op's girlfriend wanted to marry him, he said no, she left and got fuked by some kunt. OP gets butt hurt.

-OP doesn't want to marry sloot (3+ yrs relationship).
-OP believes sloot loves him
-Sloot goes and studies abroad, meets Chadimir
-OP tells sloot it is ok to date other people
-Sloot says Chadimir is nothing srs, and says she hasn't slept with him
-Sloot is still abroad ~1 year later
-Sloot still friendly with OP for a while
-Sloot moves in with Chadimir and suddenly tells OP they are done, and that she is marrying Chadimir
-OP blames himself, regrets everthing that happened, keeps asking "what if?"
-wincel encourages OP to move on and not blame himself, and reminds OP that sloot gonna sloot
-females enter thread and start blaming OP
-wincel points out that there is a good chance she was banging Chadimir the whole time
-OP continues to wk sloot
-OP reveals he is an academic making chit for money, and doesn't have a serious job
-females continue to blame OP and mock him for his desire to pursue knowledge over wealth
-wincel rants about sloots
-OP cries some more about how it is all his fault
-this goes on for several pages
-Chadimir continues to phuck OP's ex gf

OP, it is not, repeat not your fault!
You were not ready to start a family and it doesn’t make sense to do so when you’re not 100% convinced that it is the right thing to do.
As wincel did point out she kept you as a backup until she was 100% sure that everything would work out with the new guy.
Best of luck to you, OP!
12 years ago a marriage of 5 years blew up on me.
Felt like hell but I got over it, even though it did take some time.

And do not, repeat do not go there to see her.
That would just be a tremendous waste of money, time and emotion.
And she or the new guy might even call the cops and then you will be in a world of hurt.
Arrested in a foreign country-no thanks, Jeff!!

OP is 25 and an academic, meets an 18 year old catholic, traditional undergrad
3 year relationship ..takes her virginity
She believe they will have a future together, he says no marriage no kids
They limp along for one more year, he sees no signs
She applies for a post-grad, and secures a fee free one abroad in a country she’s always wanted to visit
He encourages her to go
He encourages her to see other people, cos he was her first
She is now 25, he is now 32 and still an academic
She sees other people, she meets someone who wants marriage and kids and treats her like a mother fukkin princess
He tells her he wants to marry her but it’s too late

Opie regrets

Do not do this. I repeat do not do this. If you are going to improve your career do it because you want to do it not because you think it will guarantee you an easy lay. Most chicks make their own $$$ anyway and will willingly adopt the FA & casual ONS lifestyle if you approached them from this angle. The OP gives the vibe (especially after being in academia for so long) that he has lived a sheltered life & has not figured himself out yet. I personally think the OP needs to expose himself to more people (social clubs, etc: doesn't have to be sexual) & experiences. If the OP does not get anything right away he will learn how to cut his losses & cut them aggressively and fast. There has never been an easier time in history to find the LTR that you want!

Bro it's over.

It's over. You need to stop dwelling on it. Stop blaming yourself. She's done. Your life goes on. Try to remember times before you met her. You had an entire life before that. Don't forget who you are. It hurts, but she doesn't love you. You need to move on. Don't be that guy that gets hung up on some girl and stalks her/obsesses over her. She is going to marry that Russian *******. It is really happening, and you have to accept it. Get up off the floor and keep going, *******.

And btw she did use you as a backup, and that means she wasn't as great a person as you thought.

All that

And it feels great to belong to the right person

With this, i have to disagree my man Wincel.


Women can, and women do fall out of love easily, or at least they are cold and strong enough to TRICK themselves into believing they have fallen out of love. Especially women who are reaching at age where they expected to already be married, girls have a strong survival instinc, they seek a good male provider of security, love becomes second place when the one they love is a beta immature dude who has no plans of grabbing the bulls by the horns and marrying the girl.


They literally have no choice but to fall out of love, and if the girl is attractive, and has a few Chad/Cucks willing to treat them like princesses, that just makes the whole process easier.

Kind of admire that from woman, how strong they can be. One day they grab all that love they feel for you, and push it all together into a tiny ball of feelings, they push it down their bodies in a place they can easily ignore, and they decide to ignore that ball until the ball goes by itself. If they have a russian Chad fuking them good, especially a married Russian who of course has good experience in bed, then that ball dissapears quickly.



Been there done that. A girl loved me to death until one day she realized i wasnt gonna marry her, she moved on, i couldnt believe it.

You're right bro. I was fairly happy and stable before I met her. Of course that, that was almost 7 years ago, which seems like an eternity now. But yes. She is marrying the Russian *******. It's over. Fuk my life, time to move on.

And she is a different person now. Not somebody I recognize or understand. I still want the old person, who according to bun buns, I killed. But regardless, I need to realize that this new person is not worth fighting for.

Time to be a man, and achieve my destiny.

Only read the first page, but you SURE AS HELL done goofed.

Infatuation / lust is common.

*Love* is RARE.

So rare that some people don't even ever find it.

Dad aint gonna do ****.

Did she really love you? like, REALLY in love with you? If yes.... then.......

You have two moves left :

1) do nothing and accept it

or

2) show up in person so she sees how serious you are and that you really mean it

Why were you afraid of marriage? Were you two already living together? If so, what other changes could marriage bring to your life?

Let me explain to you what marriage is.

It's putting your already existing relationship officially on a peace of paper. There is nothing more to it.
For women of course it's a little bit different.

But you did mess up.

ship has sailed

Why is it his fault if he doesn't want to have kids at that time?
No one is at fault here. The girl moved on and the guy regretted what happened.

The only person who can claim that it's his fault is the OP alone. You, me or anyone here doesn't have the right to tell him that. Do you know how he feel before it all happened? It's not a mistake to not want kids, its his choice. Now if he regrets his decision, he's the only one who can say its his fault. Not us.

Damn this story sounds a lot like what i went trough a year ago, exactly a year ago lmao. I too was heartbroken and made like 10 threads about the subject, jesus i was lost. I didnt get cucked by a Chadimir though, i got cucked by a mexican Tim which is even worse. Same exact fukin scenario, she broke up with me because i didnt want to marry after 3 years of relationship and one day after breaking up with me, this mexican Tim was already proposing to her. He too had kids already lol.


Im going to tell you what happened in my story and if it helps you in anyway then perfect, if not, then disregard.

When she broke up with me, it was because i didnt want to marry. I just didnt, wasnt ready yet, wasnt there financially and wasnt sure either that she was the one for me. She was my 10/10 physically but her personality clashed with mine in so many ways that sometimes will make the relationship seem like a chore. So i kept pushing off the engagement month after month until eventually she said fuk it, and broke up with me out of the blue and started dating the mexican Tim.

Now i begged for her to come back, i was hearbroken, suddenly i was so sure that she was the one i wanted to marry her... as soon as she left me, i was damn sure she was the one, all my doubts faded away, i wouldnt ever love a woman like i loved her and no woman would ever love me like she did... or so i thought...

Your mind plays you some tricks when you are in that situation. One day im tired about the relationship, and there is no way im marrying anytime soon to this chick, and one day later, i was hearbroken and damn sure that i had lost the love of my life. How can i go from one extreme to the other one so fukin quick? The mind plays tricks on you my friend, your own mind tests your strenght, and i failed last year.


So i begged for a couple of weeks but she in a much more polite way than your ex (because i assume my girl back then still had feelings for me) turned me down time after time. Then i gave her the classic "im ready to marry you now" line, the one you used, and my then ex girlfriend, too, got mad at it and told me it was too late and it wasnt right, i was just saying it to make her come back, just as you are right now. Deep inside that was the truth, i just wanted her back and was willing to do anything for her, my jealously and my nostalgia wouldnt let me be in peace knowing shes sleeping with some other dude, thats my woman gotdamin and she belonged to me for three damn years, what the hell is she doing dressing up, putting on makeup to go out with ANOTHER man?


So she rejected me one final time, and i decided to went NC. I went NC for 2 more months, but i didnt really move on, not even a bit, i still had hopes, but i decided that my best chance was to let her know that this new guy wasnt so perfect, make her remember me while im gone and miss me, make her wonder if i had already moved on too.

And it actually worked. I bump into her one day at the gym, and she was looking sexy as fuk, but i kept my cool. Politely said hi to her and kept doing my ****, deep down i wanted to talk to her so bad, ask her how she sdoing, ask her to come back etc, but no, it wasnt the time, i kept my cool. So she approached me and started asking me about my life. Long sotry short, couple of day pass and we are having sex again, jizzed inside her, made her take a plan B pill, and commanded her to break up with her mexican Tim, i was going to take care of her now, she shouldnt doubt me anymore. Im ready to marry her, to get her back and keep her for the rest of my life.

So she did, and we were once more, a happy couple and i had what i dreamed about for almost three months, she was mine again, i could do with her what i wanted, her body belonged to me and i had the right to tell her to fuk off if she did something that would make me mad. She was my property once again, everything would be fine...



So fast forward to today, february 07 of 2018, and i am in almost the same exact scenario as last year. I dont want to marry her yet, for the same exact reasons i didnt want ot marry her one year ago. Im not sure shes the one and im not ready yet for that responsibility, especially because her spending habits are worrysome to say the least. And shes pressuring me HARD to marry now, shes even up looking up the papers i need for me, talking to my mom asking her to help her get the papers, going to churches by herself finding out available dates and ****.


And im days away from telling her that i dont want to marry her. Thats one thing you do when you are sure, absolutely sure, you dont marry someone because that person is pressuring you.


So i wasted an entire year of her life, made her come back to me by promises i obviously couldnt keep, and now i feel like a complete douchebag who is about to break a girls heart, and in doing so, its gonna break mine too because i care so much for this girl you have no idea how much is going to hurt me knowing that her entire future or what she thoght was gonna be her life, doesnt exist anymore and she has to start from scracth.





So in short, focus on yourself, improve yourself, and only marry a woman when you are ABSOLUTELY sure thats what you want to do, but also, dont go making false promises, giving girls ilusions just to keep them by your side, that lacks integrity and a man should have integrity above all.

Fear of commitment and hatred of others playing with your toys is strong in this thread

It's not fear of commitment. I'm a romantic guy, I don't sleep around I crave relationships, I crave romance, deep connections... I would marry my current girl if her few very strong and dangerous redflags didn't exist.


Her spending habits are horrible, and she can't be controlled in that aspect, she would rather fight and defend her spending instead of aknowledging her problem. She is even straight forward about it, saying she is of high maintenance, and if I'm marrying her she expects always the best financial scenarios, because that's what daddy got her used to.

All I hear when I hear those words is "you are fuked, gonna be a slave to your job for years to come or she's gonna be unhappy and bitchy (and lord can she be bitchy)


Red flag number two: she is controlled by her mom and her mom is basically the worst influence she can have, telling her things like she is a princess and the guy has to work and bust his ass to keep her happy because she's worth it, her mom telling her how much money should I be giving her, letting her mom decide for her if I'm being bad or good to her etc.


And number three, chemistry is not there anymore. She is so stressed about marrying and a family and yarda yadda that she hasn't gotten wet for a long time serious, I'm in perfect shape, good looking, treat her like a princess, romantic and she still is never horny... she says that's all gonna work out once we marry but yeah...



Not like I want to justify my actions to you rabbitjb, but I hope you start realizing that not everything is the mans fault like you always say it is.


And btw we both are co-dependant to each other that's why we have such a hard time moving on

You don't have to be married to love one another. OP just didn't know how to correctly communicate with his ex gf.

I want to get married - even though as a man (w/ resources, breadwinner) I open myself up to greater risk because I want traditional roles. That's why I always talk about seeking core virtues in a partner over the ****e Leo and other miscers talk about. I'd happily marry a 6/10 over a 9/10 if she had higher integrity, loyalty and family values.

Because chit happens in life - you can get sick, cancer, bedridden, and you inevitably get old. Having a partner that you know is committed to be there through thick and thin is important. Having kids in a stable partnership is also important; that doesn't technically require marriage, but the reality is people are more likely to quit and give up if there's less incentive to stick out the tough times. Of course, there's also the win-win of complementary roles - and the innate fulfillment that us human animals desire.

With this, i have to disagree my man Wincel.


Women can, and women do fall out of love easily, or at least they are cold and strong enough to TRICK themselves into believing they have fallen out of love. Especially women who are reaching at age where they expected to already be married, girls have a strong survival instinc, they seek a good male provider of security, love becomes second place when the one they love is a beta immature dude who has no plans of grabbing the bulls by the horns and marrying the girl.


They literally have no choice but to fall out of love, and if the girl is attractive, and has a few Chad/Cucks willing to treat them like princesses, that just makes the whole process easier.

Kind of admire that from woman, how strong they can be. One day they grab all that love they feel for you, and push it all together into a tiny ball of feelings, they push it down their bodies in a place they can easily ignore, and they decide to ignore that ball until the ball goes by itself. If they have a russian Chad fuking them good, especially a married Russian who of course has good experience in bed, then that ball dissapears quickly.



Been there done that. A girl loved me to death until one day she realized i wasnt gonna marry her, she moved on, i couldnt believe it.

This past summer I had a crush on this guy, but then I found out he didn't want a relationship. That crush went away real quick.

Nobody is talking about "crushes". Love girl, love.

I’ve explained to you why from a female perspective what you did was the same as throwing her away. However you feel you behaved, that would be my interpretation of what you said and the actions you took at the time.

And you are seeing it through rose tinted specs ..it wasn’t this perfect, she wasn't this perfect ..you are too close, you need space and time

And you’ll be ok ..honestly you will ..give it a year and you will be fine