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post 1543941571 02-15-2018, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
oh take that **** elsewhere. I’ve traveled the world and lived in Europe. Kids in Europe are the same here
If you think the kids are identical you are very very very mistaken. I have lived in Italy for 10 years, 5 in the balkans, and spent quite a bit of time with germans and they are nowhere near as consumer oriented/subjectivist. In fact they have more decentralized, monocultural, communities that promote collectivism.

The size of the U.S. and the intermingling of different cultures would no doubt increase variance/risk. People don't seem to understand that size alone exponentially increases the overall management of a complex system.
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post 1543941771 02-15-2018, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
You don't know Columbine very well. That was the first of the mass school shootings . . . had never happened before and so there was no specific training for such an event. It was never imagined to happen. There were no cops at or in the school when it started. The resource officer was finishing lunch in his car nearby at the park. He and another cop who were dispatched exchanged fire with the *******z initially outside the school . . . but their training was to waitoutsidefor SWAT and backup to arrive. So they did. Meanwhile the dirtbags were inside slaughtering students and some bombs were going off--further complicating the situation (waiting for bomb squad now). By the time SWAT arrived and entered it was all over and the shooters offed themselves.

That very event led to the creation of new rules for active shooters to be developed . . . enter, locate and engage immediately to end the threat as soon as possible. If you apply what wasn't know until AFTER the very event you brought up to Columbine today, it probably ends faster with fewer lives lost given how fast the cops were there.

But Columbine also shows how hard it is to prevent dirtbags from doing sick things with ample planning and motivation. Their original plan was to blow up propane bombs in the cafeteria . . . killing most people that way and shooting at the kids as they ran away to kill more. Fortunately, the bombs didn't work very well. So they had to change their plan. They also acquired their guns illegally.
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post 1543941931 02-15-2018, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
You don't know Columbine very well. That was the first of the mass school shootings . . . had never happened before and so there was no specific training for such an event. It was never imagined to happen. There were no cops at or in the school when it started. The resource officer was finishing lunch in his car nearby at the park. He and another cop who were dispatched exchanged fire with the *******z initially outside the school . . . but their training was to waitoutsidefor SWAT and backup to arrive. So they did. Meanwhile the dirtbags were inside slaughtering students and some bombs were going off--further complicating the situation (waiting for bomb squad now). By the time SWAT arrived and entered it was all over and the shooters offed themselves.

That very event led to the creation of new rules for active shooters to be developed . . . enter, locate and engage immediately to end the threat as soon as possible. If you apply what wasn't know until AFTER the very event you brought up to Columbine today, it probably ends faster with fewer lives lost given how fast the cops were there.

But Columbine also shows how hard it is to prevent dirtbags from doing sick things with ample planning and motivation. Their original plan was to blow up propane bombs in the cafeteria . . . killing most people that way and shooting at the kids as they ran away to kill more. Fortunately, the bombs didn't work very well. So they had to change their plan. They also acquired their guns illegally.
P51 getting schooled on real life again I see
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
P51 getting schooled on real life again I see
absolutely ethered. he should probably go into hiding for getting schooled so hard
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post 1543942141 02-15-2018, 07:26 PM
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P51 just ethering everyone ITT. Time for gun nuts to go away—or at least try to get rid of them and see what happens.
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Originally Posted By LiveOnce⏩
P51 just ethering everyone ITT. Time for gun nuts to go away—or at least try to get rid of them and see what happens.
Nah. Time for cucks to leave america
post 1543942661 02-15-2018, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted By LiveOnce⏩
P51 just ethering everyone ITT. Time for gun nuts to go away—or at least try to get rid of them and see what happens.
go ahead and try going door to door confiscating guns then. You personally. Report back with your findings.
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post 1543942711 02-15-2018, 07:34 PM
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lol at the thread title.


anyhoo, for everyone asking "how did this mentally ill kid legally buy a gun?"

-You have to be adjudicated by a court as being mentally ill in order to be declared a prohibited person. In other words, you get your day in court and get to present a defense.

For everyone saying "but Trump made it legal for crazy ppl to buy guns omg!"

-Trump reversed an EO that obama wrote on his way out the door. obama made it so basically anyone can say that so-so is crazy and then that person could lose all gun rights with no appeal or due process.
post 1543942761 02-15-2018, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
No. Not just no, but hell no. This is a Right. This is not a privilege that requires a ****ing prescription to be allowed to buy a gun.
That's exactly the point. If you're unwilling to compromise then that's your prerogative. End of discussion I guess.
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And this guy would have been sold a gun, yes? So what does this ^ even do?
Didn't he have mental health history? I don't know tbh. But there have been massacres in the past where the perpetrator has had significant history. So what would it do? It would have prevented many deaths.
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That's Right.
So that's a choice the people have to make, if you want to prevent such massacres. Gun education isn't going to do a thing for these situations.
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
If you're going to suggest a solution, you should have an idea about how it is going to work or what you think it will accomplish.
I've suggested a couple of feasible and sensible solutions just off the top of my head and I'm not a professional. You just don't like them.
post 1543943361 02-15-2018, 07:40 PM
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The reason people ITT refuse to give specifics and keep things as vague as possible and just want to "DO SOMETHING!" is because they don't want to admit what their actual end state is. They want near total disarmament such as Australia, and for it to be illegal to even use a firearm for defensive purposes even when your life is being threatened, just like Australia. They realize admitting this sounds terrible, so they keep weaseling out of saying it. Anything short of total bans wont even begin to stop mass shootings. Obama even mentioned Australia gun laws as something to emulate, so it's not like this isn't a popular position being advocated under 'common sense'.

Note also that they keep going back to the big bad scary AR-15, despite mass shootings like Virginia Tech where a standard pistol and a target pistol were able to kill vastly more people than in Florida.
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post 1543943421 02-15-2018, 07:41 PM
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Love how Gun Liberals and Gun Nuts have no slide..its just both 1 extreme or the other.

Gun Liberals : Ban all guns guns are scary

Gun Nuts: we need MORE AR's.

Find a common ground. I'm a firearms enthusiast but the gun regulations in America are awful at best. Make it harder to obtain and less accessible( Similar to Canada, You can own an AR here but we don't have the school shootings per capita america has)

Better education, stricter application process and back ground checks.
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post 1543943881 02-15-2018, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
That's exactly the point. If you're unwilling to compromise then that's your prerogative. End of discussion I guess.
...that's not what compromise is.
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Didn't he have mental health history?
What mental health history??
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I've suggested a couple of feasible and sensible solutions just off the top of my head and I'm not a professional. You just don't like them.
You have thrown **** at the wall without a clue how it would possibly be implemented or work
post 1543944001 02-15-2018, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
That's exactly the point. If you're unwilling to compromise then that's your prerogative.
RE: "Compromise"

post 1543944011 02-15-2018, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
no there was a fuken armed cop who engaged them and it did nothing
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post 1543944151 02-15-2018, 07:51 PM
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FBI didn't do chit. School didn't do chit. FBI was informed and the school knew he was a huge security risk. If the FBI weren't so focused on buying fake dossiers from foreign intelligence agents to frame a duly elected US president, maybe they would have done their f-cking jobs and prevented this.
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Originally Posted By HughBMyron⏩
I'm a firearms enthusiast but
no you are not. that magical 'but' appeared pretty quickly. fuk you you fukin lowlife srs. you're worse than a liberal that wants to ban guns. you're an apologist that thinks you've got a magical solution.
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post 1543944331 02-15-2018, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted By OfficerJimLahey⏩
no you are not. that magical 'but' appeared pretty quickly. fuk you you fukin lowlife srs. you're worse than a liberal that wants to ban guns. you're an apologist that thinks you've got a magical solution.
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or just straight up retarded.

If you're being serious you pretty much made my point for me. Thanks
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post 1543944411 02-15-2018, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
RE: "Compromise"
mate I understand where you're coming from, I do. But the simple truth is that there are simple enough solutions, but they just don't fit with your beliefs. Which is fine.

If the odd school massacre is the price to pay for everyone's rights to own guns without question, and you're happy with that, then fair play to you.
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Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja⏩
FBI didn't do chit. School didn't do chit. FBI was informed and the school knew he was a huge security risk. If the FBI weren't so focused on buying fake dossiers from foreign intelligence agents to frame a duly elected US president, maybe they would have done their f-cking jobs and prevented this.
How exactly would they do that? He legally bought a gun. Do you want them to start arresting people because they MIGHT be threats?
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Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
mate I understand where you're coming from, I do. But the simple truth is that there are simple enough solutions, but they just don't fit with your beliefs. Which is fine.

If the odd school massacre is the price to pay for everyone's rights to own guns without question, and you're happy with that, then fair play to you.
If you understand that it is NOT a compromise to just take away Rights, maybe don't call it what it is not.

Why do you say there are "simple enough solutions" when you admit you cannot put forth a workable solution?
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Originally Posted By Future24⏩
How exactly would they do that? He legally bought a gun. Do you want them to start arresting people because they MIGHT be threats?
He is saying they should have done a little more digging and investigating based on what was out there...hell maybe they could interview the guy...maybe the result of that would have been making it so he couldnt' buy from an FFL.

This is not the first time a mass shooter or terrorist had been pinged by the FBI and they didn't act, either.
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Originally Posted By HughBMyron⏩
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or just straight up retarded.

If you're being serious you pretty much made my point for me. Thanks
Your point being background checks...which already happen.
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This kid should not have been able to own a gun, you deserve to lose that right when you go around saying the kind of **** he was saying. My question is what failed here, the framework of Florida's gun laws, or the process? Are there measures in place to have prevented someone like him from getting a gun that just were not followed, or, by law, did he have the right to own a gun? If it's the former, how do you even fix that? More/stricter laws won't make the people responsible for carrying them out any more competent.
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Originally Posted By OfficerJimLahey⏩
Your point being background checks...which already happen.
You mean my point of stricter background checks and a stricter application process...Yes...

Any educated firearm owner i've ever talked to in my 6+ years of selling firearms was never opposed to stricter background checks and more firearms education.
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Originally Posted By OfficerJimLahey⏩
Your point being background checks...which already happen.
Not if you buy at a gun show.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
If you understand that it is NOT a compromise to just take away Rights, maybe don't call it what it is not.

Why do you say there are "simple enough solutions"when you admit you cannot put forth a workable solution?
Second time you've said that, despite me putting forth several. If by "workable" you mean "fits all your personal political criteria and beliefs" then maybe they aren't "workable". But that's your fault, not mine.

There are solutions, that a lot of people would consider reasonable, but you don't. It's as simple as that.
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Originally Posted By Future24⏩
Not if you buy at a gun show.
how many gun shows have you been to?
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Originally Posted By HughBMyron⏩
You mean my point of stricter background checks and a stricter application process...Yes...

Any educated firearm owner i've ever talked to in my 6+ years of selling firearms was never opposed to stricter background checks and more firearms education.
What is "more strict" ? If you have never been arrested or have record you have nothing. Is everyone supposed to have some government agent interview them, and go talk to their friends and family going back years?
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