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Thread: Squat/bench/dead is NOT for normal natty's

post 1548971941 04-13-2018, 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted By DirtyDon123⏩
OP been training for 30 years but no avi LOL
It really is just that fact that he is older now and hasn’t accepted the notion that he is a weak person clearly...

He runs his mouth and someone posts videos with proof and he either doesn’t reply for dismisses it. I now know it’s a roll bread as no one is that beta...

And calisthenics is just what the twinks do to “stay lean” which is fine but just like no one cares about my squat numbers that surely for care about your medicine ball tosses lol
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Everybody lies about being natty, so there really is no way to tell what is actually possible. You just gotta keep on pushin' cuz.
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Originally Posted By DerFleischer⏩
Calisthenics > lifting. Especially if you are natty. You can always master new progressions, more fun, can show off athletic feats anywhere rather than needing a barbell, really dependent on lean mass meaning you can't just bulk and lift more, gymnast physique is way more aesthetic and functional than that of a bodybuilder or powerlifter, more safe and less chance of injury/long term damage, dont need an expensive gym membership or a bunch of equipment taking up space at your home, can work out anywhere....i could go on.

source: have done both.
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post 1548972181 04-13-2018, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
Everybody lies about being natty, so there really is no way to tell what is actually possible. You just gotta keep on pushin' cuz.
More coping. Some natty don't lie. Natties are pretty easy to spot in a gym, you know, and it's not really because they automatically lift less. I begin to wonder how many Miscers actually lift when I see chitty comments like this, christ.
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Originally Posted By Sanguivorant⏩
Are you srs? Lmao.

It's rare but definitely achievable.
This, it'll likely take years and very few have the commitment required to have everything dialed in for that long, but I wouldn't have said impossible.
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maybe where you lift samsbolton but i know many lifters who can lift them numbers totally natty
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Seeing all the weak pussies whining ITT is putting a huge smile on my face this morning
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
Seeing all the weak pussies whining ITT is putting a huge smile on my face this morning
I thought I put the smile on your face when I was pegging you
50% of my posts are 100% factual
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
Seeing all the weak pussies whining ITT is putting a huge smile on my face this morning
It really is warming, isn’t it? Something about others excuses that just make it easier to excel...
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post 1548972831 04-13-2018, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
Seeing all the weak pussies whining ITT is putting a huge smile on my face this morning
This
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Originally Posted By Kurial⏩
^^^

This is some fraud **** loochi. Or wtf is going on. 315 for 8 is roughly 390lbs for max bench. Average being bout 350 in IPF. The world record IPF 74kg is like 430ish with much bigger arch too. And I ****ing doubt IPF is as drug free as its claims to be.

You counting those weights correctly?
Lol you cant be serious ?
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post 1548972851 04-13-2018, 04:51 AM
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callisthenics would be goat but learning curve is so steep
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Originally Posted By Loochi⏩
Life time natty and I'm telling you guys, it's doable.

Here I am 165lbs in 2016

squat 4 plates for 8 reps


Can lift more than that now and without sleeves or belt etc - misc has such low standards it's sad as f**k tbh.
Damn, that garage gym, though... Very nice. I have one myself, but not so clean and professional looking. Have you posted pics of it before? That rack has a cable attachment as well? Nice lifts, too.

Originally Posted By arn710⏩
Seeing all the weak pussies whining ITT is putting a huge smile on my face this morning
To be fair, I give some guys the benefit of the doubt. For years I did the brosplit bodybuilding routines and didn't believe people's powerlifting numbers. I thought people were inflating numbers because I never saw anyone in commercial gyms do proper bench/squat/deads with big weight. Now that I'm 100% focused on powerlifting, I'm beginning to realize you can do quite well as a true natural.
post 1548973741 04-13-2018, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted By milesgiles1⏩
I've been training 30 years. Never missed a week. Those lifts, for an average natty, who isn't fat, are utterly exceptional. Beyond rare. The number of 180 pounders ITT claiming to rep that is laughable.
Obviously, achieving the lifts while being low bodyfat would be remarkable, and we're unlikely to see it much on a bodybuilding forum. What's more likely is for someone to get to some big lifts like that, doing it while at 20+% bodyfat, then lean down and display the muscle they've built - while dropping their lifts a bit whether they like it or not. There are always exceptions, though: most people will never hit these lifts, or even a plate each lower, because of the patience and discipline required, regardless of bodyfat.

But I think we can at least believe those with vids, or who give their name and point to public competition results in tested federations. You don't believe even them which is why you're getting sht, and deservedly so. "La la la I can't hear you!" It sounds like you've been at a globogym for a long time so your expectations are low. I get that.

Basically every healthy male under 50yo can squat 100, bench 75 and deadlift 120kg in their first three months, and the women 60/40/80. When I worked at the globogym we had 20 men and 6 women who could do that - out of 4,000 or more members. I mean, there were a few guys who could bench a lot more, but they didn't squat. So yeah, nobody did 3/2/4 there, either. In 4 years I never had a male bench 100+kg, excluding a few who started at like 95kg. In 6 months in my dusty garage 6 of us did it. Part of it was that PTs do 30' sessions, there's only so much you can do in half an hour, but... Environment is key.

You've obviously had a shtty environment. Get a better one.
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Originally Posted By Bigdumogre⏩
I thought I put the smile on your face when I was pegging you
That was last night
Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
It really is warming, isn’t it? Something about others excuses that just make it easier to excel...
I just don't understand the attitude of "if I can't do it, its impossible". Beyond the self acceptance that you're just not doing the right things to get the results you want, there are legitimate freak athletes out there and high achievers

I've always admired those people instead of putting them down. I always sought to learn from them but maybe I'm weird like that. Even in my early training days, I always copied whatever the biggest and strongest dudes in the gym were doing. I certainly never ran to the internet to bash them. That's a serious beta bitch, weak ass move.
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post 1548975021 04-13-2018, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
I just don't understand the attitude of "if I can't do it, its impossible". Beyond the self acceptance that you're just not doing the right things to get the results you want, there are legitimate freak athletes out there and high achievers

I've always admired those people instead of putting them down. I always sought to learn from them but maybe I'm weird like that. Even in my early training days, I always copied whatever the biggest and strongest dudes in the gym were doing. I certainly never ran to the internet to bash them. That's a serious beta bitch, weak ass move.
Absolutely true on the freaks out there. Think about the powerlifting and oly lifting numbers that would be put up natty if people that went into baseball and pro football didn't go into the MLB or NFL. Yes, there are pussies that will immediately say "they take drugs in college too" which is true but there are so many talented people that can get to these levels and one thing they do not do is look for every excuse in the book to not train.

It's hilarious chit that gites on every day though. We were at the gym last night, I finish up and head downstairs as my girl finishes her last few sets. Some twink comes up and asks her "you guys into bodybuilding?" meanwhile I was up there for 90 minutes and he doesn't say a word until I leave...another bitch made move. She explains I do a combo and he even mentioned "yeah, she is a strong guy" then goes on to say he tried bodybuilding but it was "too hard" so he gave up...no pussy, you didn't want to do what it took to gain weight and get strong and you're mentally weak which is why you're still 168 lbs at almost 6 foot. "Oh I was doing it natty" lol ok cool bro...

I said, "should we go back and explain to him that I was just on the road for 3 days in 3 cities, in 3 hotels and several different airports and still managed to train 4 times while I was away. I came home, got out of bed early and went to the gym, hit a squat PR of 562x6 @ 216 then finished 3 leg accessories, went home to do my job, run errands and play dad...then went back to the gym that night and did OHP of 135x15, 155x10, 170x8, 185x6 and 205x3 then 5 shoulder accessories and still managed to get all my meals in for the day..." Must be the huge amount of not nattiness that drives all of this LOLOLOL
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post 1548975111 04-13-2018, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted By KyleAaron⏩
Obviously, achieving the lifts while being low bodyfat would be remarkable, and we're unlikely to see it much on a bodybuilding forum. What's more likely is for someone to get to some big lifts like that, doing it while at 20+% bodyfat, then lean down and display the muscle they've built - while dropping their lifts a bit whether they like it or not. There are always exceptions, though: most people will never hit these lifts, or even a plate each lower, because of the patience and discipline required, regardless of bodyfat.

But I think we can at least believe those with vids, or who give their name and point to public competition results in tested federations. You don't believe even them which is why you're getting sht, and deservedly so. "La la la I can't hear you!" It sounds like you've been at a globogym for a long time so your expectations are low. I get that.

Basically every healthy male under 50yo can squat 100, bench 75 and deadlift 120kg in their first three months, and the women 60/40/80. When I worked at the globogym we had 20 men and 6 women who could do that - out of 4,000 or more members. I mean, there were a few guys who could bench a lot more, but they didn't squat. So yeah, nobody did 3/2/4 there, either. In 4 years I never had a male bench 100+kg, excluding a few who started at like 95kg. In 6 months in my dusty garage 6 of us did it. Part of it was that PTs do 30' sessions, there's only so much you can do in half an hour, but... Environment is key.

You've obviously had a shtty environment. Get a better one.
Well so far I've counted one vid by a guy who is even nattier than natty graham. Mostly it's guys assuring me they will get there sooner or later, although no one actually wants to put money on it..

I believe you about your garage but 3/2/4 is another planet to 4/3/5

And really, you've just reinforced my first post. It's possible if fat as fck. Could have probably done it myself. Doing it while not risking a heart attack? Different matter.
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
Absolutely true on the freaks out there. Think about the powerlifting and oly lifting numbers that would be put up natty if people that went into baseball and pro football didn't go into the MLB or NFL. Yes, there are pussies that will immediately say "they take drugs in college too" which is true but there are so many talented people that can get to these levels and one thing they do not do is look for every excuse in the book to not train.

It's hilarious chit that gites on every day though. We were at the gym last night, I finish up and head downstairs as my girl finishes her last few sets. Some twink comes up and asks her "you guys into bodybuilding?" meanwhile I was up there for 90 minutes and he doesn't say a word until I leave...another bitch made move. She explains I do a combo and he even mentioned "yeah, she is a strong guy" then goes on to say he tried bodybuilding but it was "too hard" so he gave up...no pussy, you didn't want to do what it took to gain weight and get strong and you're mentally weak which is why you're still 168 lbs at almost 6 foot. "Oh I was doing it natty" lol ok cool bro...
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I was able to hit 3/4/5 before turning to the darkside. OP is a *******.
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Originally Posted By milesgiles1⏩
and thanks for the neg. Also pure bitch mode.
You had what 2k yesterday...seems I wasn't the only one baby boy. Make a callout and you'll get your squares back.
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Originally Posted By milesgiles1⏩
'Talented'

'TALENTED'

and thanks for the neg. Also pure bitch mode.
crying over negs......

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OP is a certifiable whiny little salty kunt, here's how:
Originally Posted By Aristotelian⏩
If you want to bet I'm your Huckleberry but I'm not sure actually betting cash is allowed on this forum (I doubt it). But they'd be my terms, not yours, coper.
Yet he still:
Originally Posted By milesgiles1⏩
Mostly it's guys assuring me they will get there sooner or later, although no one actually wants to put money on it.
And when people begin to figure out that OP is just another mental midget troll who thinks any response to his thread == rustled (30 years lifting and can't bench 3 plates?) he has to resort to this:
Originally Posted By milesgiles1⏩
and thanks for the neg. Also pure bitch mode.
Crying about negs on the Misc. Negged, bitch boy OP. If you're so eager to bet, shoot me a PM, and we'll draw up a contract. Otherwise shut your fukking bitch boy mouth. Got it?
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Originally Posted By milesgiles1⏩
Well so far I've counted one vid by a guy who is even nattier than natty graham. Mostly it's guys assuring me they will get there sooner or later, although no one actually wants to put money on it..

I believe you about your garage but 3/2/4 is another planet to 4/3/5

And really, you've just reinforced my first post. It's possible if fat as fck. Could have probably done it myself. Doing it while not risking a heart attack? Different matter.
I already offered to train you

What are you afraid of?

Are you out of excuses now?
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Originally Posted By Aristotelian⏩
More coping. Some natty don't lie. Natties are pretty easy to spot in a gym, you know, and it's not really because they automatically lift less. I begin to wonder how many Miscers actually lift when I see chitty comments like this, christ.
It is definitely not always easy to tell natty or not, there is a lot of varience and variables between substances, amounts and genetics, that make it so a guy on tech can look pretty dang natty and there are some guys who look competely not natty and are but just have insane genetics. And guys do lie, all the time about it. Both irl and on here.
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Originally Posted By ChristianMR⏩
This is the only part of this thread that anyone needs to read. Good job at having no evidence to backup your claim -- not even personal anecdotal evidence.
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Originally Posted By nm1891⏩
It is definitely not always easy to tell natty or not, there is a lot of varience and variables between substances, amounts and genetics, that make it so a guy on tech can look pretty dang natty and there are some guys who look competely not natty and are but have insane genetics. And guys do lie, all the time about it. Both irl and on here.
Experienced guys can spot non-nattys from a mile away. I don't even need a second look at a lifter.
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Originally Posted By Zwicker⏩
3/4/5 not possible for natties? Obvious troll...

Powerlifting is ten times better than bodybuilding as a natural. You can actually accomplish very good lifts in drug-tested competitions (obviously doesn't necessarily mean drug-free). Loads of IPF guys have insane lifts... It's a sport in which a true natural can really flourish for a long time.

Bodybuilding is completely futile as a natural, though. I did the bulk/cut cycle for years and, at best, looked like lean soccer player when cut... Natural bodybuilding competitions are pretty much a joke, too. Either completely laughable fake natties or a bunch of guys who look like swimmers. Pointless.
This x 10000000
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This thread is dumb. I'm natty and I'm prob good for 3/4/5 on the big three on a good day. I wouldn't even say I really knew wtf I was doing with regards to powerlifting until the past year and a half. Lol @ OP's cope.
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
Experienced guys can spot non-nattys from a mile away. I don't even need a second look at a lifter.
Yep...without question.
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are you supposed to be able to squat more than you dead?
my max on both are about 4 plates each but that was after going up like this: 135x12,185x10,225x8,275x6,315x6 (I usually cant do 6 all at once, maybe 2 or 3 , rest for seconds and then do 3 more) then 365x 1 and 405 x 1
if I was fresh and not cutting like I was always doing.. I could proabably lift more..
on bench I dont think I attempted 3 plates because I was afraid without a spot but maybe 280-290 (after many sets of bench before)
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