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post 1550429031 04-30-2018, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted By AshWar
I want y'all to pay attention to the way Ash is doing these dips. See the pause at the top and the bottom. That's the only way to do them and get some carry over to your bench if that's what you're looking for

I'd bet anything he'll attest to how much harder this is than just banging them out like normal.

Great control on those bro. Exactly what I'm looking for
Training log: http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=165829701
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Originally Posted By arn710
I want y'all to pay attention to the way Ash is doing these dips. See the pause at the top and the bottom. That's the only way to do them and get some carry over to your bench if that's what you're looking for

I'd bet anything he'll attest to how much harder this is than just banging them out like normal.

Great control on those bro. Exactly what I'm looking for
Definitely feels a lot harder than repping it with speed, but at the same time feels a lot easier on my shoulders and pec tendon for some reason.. loving these.

Also when I started lifting, remember some miscer telling me to strength train and not do brosplits because "you ever seen a guy benching 3 plates with skinny arms?"

bench went from 1 plate to 3 but arms are still the same size fml
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Originally Posted By AshWar
Also when I started lifting, remember some miscer telling me to strength train and not do brosplits because "you ever seen a guy benching 3 plates with skinny arms?"

bench went from 1 plate to 3 but arms are still the same size fml
One thing at a time brohammer

When are you benching 315?
Training log: http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=165829701
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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx
How is what I said trash? Can you explain in scientific detail? Even if there is no other documentation of it anywhere else in the world, I have enough theoretical understanding with physics and biology that it should make sense to me if it's true.

For the record, more than 10 reps isn't "doing cardio".

You can get a cardio benefit from this, but the context you're presenting suggests there's no muscle building benefit in doing high rep sets, which simply could never be proven true outside of favorable conditions. It also matters how much you're controlling the weight. Putting a strict control over the momentum of the weight is going to dramatically isolate each specific fiber, as the activation time on each fiber is dramatically increased through the extended duration to complete each rep. You do 20 reps like this and there might not be much of any cardio benefit involved, but the massive activation time on the fibers is going to peak microdamage on the muscles.

Strength building is all about isolation, microdamage, and activation time. If a burst rep, your fibers are getting literally a fraction of a second in activation time. They have some 30 seconds to 300 seconds of life in them. You'll never breach the depth of those fibers successfully with just a fraction of a second. If you're doing a compound movement, that means the activation is also split across various other muscles, bringing the overall activation time down further. Akin to this, one needs to utilize advanced technique to peak the activation time each tiny fiber receives to prime microdamage stimulation. This involves working stricter with the weight, pausing in isotension at a climactic point of the movement, and doing super-giant sets that work into higher rep ranges.

More work, more time, more activation, more microdamage. It's very simple physics.
You sound like someone who has read some lifting concepts, and then fails to know when to practically implement them. Context not even once. There is no blanket advice you can give to someone trying to bench 3 plates. There are so many variables that need to be manipulated so that they are specifically conducive to their goal.
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Originally Posted By arn710
One thing at a time brohammer

When are you benching 315?
Gonna attempt it this Friday, or maybe Saturday if I still feel a little sore/not fully recovered
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Those dip stations are chit‒I hate them almost as much as I do those straight arm pec-dec stations.

You need to get a dip station with the narrow bars, so you can go all the way down, until it feels like your shoulders are entirely stretched out and tucked together in the back. Those wide grip ones don't enable you to isolate the chest at all. The reason for this is because the proportions are too open. The circuit for the chest muscles goes from side to side across the body, so only movements that bring the arms inwards, and work along that circuit isolate the pecs. The narrow bars enable you to do just this. They bring your arms in, and squeeze your chest to proportions, for you to then stretch your chest out across the vertical equilibrium (in constrained proportions). Super isolation.

Those open proportions don't really enable you to isolate the chest, even if you do go all the way down and back up again. They're like hardly even worth doing on those bars.
Originally Posted By likeawashboard
You sound like someone who has read some lifting concepts, and then fails to know when to practically implement them.
Why is that? Care to explain how?
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Originally Posted By AshWar
Also when I started lifting, remember some miscer telling me to strength train and not do brosplits because "you ever seen a guy benching 3 plates with skinny arms?"

bench went from 1 plate to 3 but arms are still the same size fml
There's some asian dude that I seen on youtube benching over 4 plates, yet was skinny as phuck

Mind is blown sometimes, though I suppose it's some kind of genetic/natural physical structural advantages that cannot be trained, some guys just don't make sense lol, is like how the phuk are they lifting what they're lifting
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Originally Posted By AshWar
Gonna attempt it this Friday, or maybe Saturday if I still feel a little sore/not fully recovered
I don't want to hear this attempt chit.

Your goal between now and then is to eat an entire cow and a 50lb bag of rice.
Training log: http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=165829701
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Good job Ash,

I think you're super close now
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post 1550430351 04-30-2018, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted By arn710
I don't want to hear this attempt chit.

Your goal between now and then is to eat an entire cow and a 50lb bag of rice.
Gonna get it man. Steak+Rice+salt+water+sleep is all I'll do
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Originally Posted By PeaceWithin
Lmao. The last person who took on Arn in a lifting discussion ended up drinking his own COPE from a fire hose.

In.
Meh there are other ways to get big numbers and not every PL got there the same way.

I would have a very hard time on his type of program personally. However, seeing these people with worse benches than ash and no credentials trying to offer guidance is sad. Especially, when that guidance goes against status quo and actively avoids "big science".
Originally Posted By FailedPotential
There's some asian dude that I seen on youtube benching over 4 plates, yet was skinny as phuck

Mind is blown sometimes, though I suppose it's some kind of genetic/natural physical structural advantages that cannot be trained, some guys just don't make sense lol, is like how the phuk are they lifting what they're lifting
Never seen a 4 plater I would call small. A few surprises in the 3 plate club, but training for years and usually "help" is required for that bench mark.
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****ity **** **** **** one night before the bench, starting to get sick. Sore throat since morn and now chills/slight fever right before bed. Been eating like a horse all week and was looking forward to Friday, now this ****. Rotten luck of piss. Gonna see how I feel in the morn
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Originally Posted By AshWar
****ity **** **** **** one night before the bench, starting to get sick. Sore throat since morn and now chills/slight fever right before bed. Been eating like a horse all week and was looking forward to Friday, now this ****. Rotten luck of piss. Gonna see how I feel in the morn
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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx
Research is controlled by Big Lab. And in athletics, usually in collaboration with Big Supp.
You have no idea what you're speaking on... "big supp" LOL.

Source: was in the industry (manufacturing and have friends still in the industry who run massive supplement companies)

It's not the illuminati..



Nice lifts ash... looking thick/solid/tight. Hyped to see your 315 lift. Mirin bb
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i just got 295x5 tonight, will be in here to see your 315
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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx
Those dip stations are chit‒I hate them almost as much as I do those straight arm pec-dec stations.

You need to get a dip station with the narrow bars, so you can go all the way down, until it feels like your shoulders are entirely stretched out and tucked together in the back. Those wide grip ones don't enable you to isolate the chest at all. The reason for this is because the proportions are too open. The circuit for the chest muscles goes from side to side across the body, so only movements that bring the arms inwards, and work along that circuit isolate the pecs. The narrow bars enable you to do just this. They bring your arms in, and squeeze your chest to proportions, for you to then stretch your chest out across the vertical equilibrium (in constrained proportions). Super isolation.

Those open proportions don't really enable you to isolate the chest, even if you do go all the way down and back up again. They're like hardly even worth doing on those bars.



Why is that? Care to explain how?
Thread derailing is against forum rules

Can someone just ban this troll already? There's at least one mod ITT ffs
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Originally Posted By areyoucereal
Nice lifts ash... looking thick/solid/tight. Hyped to see your 315 lift. Mirin bb
Originally Posted By andishehhank
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i just got 295x5 tonight, will be in here to see your 315
ty men, lift isn't happening anytime this week it seems. Got sick, and flying to see gf for a week on Monday so gonna have to attempt it when I get back the week after
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just fapped to this
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[QUOTE=Lucianus post_id=1550792171][youtube]MIfauWZoutube]

just fapped to this[/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted By AshWar
ty men, lift isn't happening anytime this week it seems. Got sick, and flying to see gf for a week on Monday so gonna have to attempt it when I get back the week after
gOD DAMMIT
I'm back, bitches!
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress
gOD DAMMIT
Man ****ing sucks, everything had been on point, diet sleep etc. Will get it for sure though
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Originally Posted By AshWar


you're doing great brah
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First bench session after coming back from a week off (and sickness)

135x5, 185x4, 225x3, 255x3, 275x4, 245x6,5,5




Lost about 4 lbs over the week (186–>182) but feeling pretty strong, think I’ve got 3 plates in a week or so. Didn’t lose as much strength as I thought
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Glad you're back man
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Originally Posted By arn710
Glad you're back man
Thoughts on pausing all your bench press reps? I'm not convinced my touch and go reps carry over well to my spoto/paused reps. And, I figure if my point of training is to improve at powerlifting, the sport requires a pause.
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How about a video of the rear laterals you're doing now? (unless you've already made one?)
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Originally Posted By Zwicker
Thoughts on pausing all your bench press reps? I'm not convinced my touch and go reps carry over well to my spoto/paused reps. And, I figure if my point of training is to improve at powerlifting, the sport requires a pause.
my 2 cents on this. Pause the first rep then touch and go the rest. If you're competing, you need to learn the pause. But there's no need to sap all your strength by pausing each rep.
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990
ayyy lmfao OP.


jakes on you, pretty sure with some form adjustments you can already hit 3 plates.

As others said

1 leg drive: Plant the toes of your feet feet further back and lock your toes in place. They should never move from the place you plant them, imagine they are now bolted to the ground. The proper placement should be you can just barely touch your heels to the floor or they are mm's off the ground at most. The act of driving the heels through the floor will send power through your feet / lower body into the bar.

2 retract scapula and keep it locked in tight


3 overall body tightness. Essentially, once you're in position to bench and you have the bar above over your chest you should now be a brickchithouse locked into place. Nothing moves only the movements necessary to press. Your feet should not be bouncing moving around, your head or anything other than your elbows and shoulders. Everything in your entire body should be flexed and tight locking itself into place.

Imagine jumping off of a soft surface. You will not jump as high as you would off a solid surface because the force will be absorbed into the soft surface but the hard surface will reflect it all back.

You just need to study the mechanics of benching and you will hit it.

btw wtf is that head bobbing thing you are doing? stahp it op, stahp.
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