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Thread: About 3 years away from reaching Financial Independence (passive income ideas AMA)

post 1567685321 12-02-2018, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
I never thought about investing in a railway but TBH I don't see them going down regardless of the economy. Never researched them much but they've been a staple since North America built them.


Why don't you have more into a real estate fund?
cnr has consistent double digit% dividend hikes for several decades too, no one can touch them. Oil companies are at its mercy lol

I got other REITs besides the one shown in the pic i posted
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No clue on most of those questions but it was a gas company so maybe it's related to current oil crisis.

I'm a pretty lazy investor so it's no surprise I lost so much.

Have some first national might buy some bmo and CNR. Thanks brah.
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Originally Posted By FullGluteSpread⏩
SRS response. Sorry but “dividend growth stocks” aren’t passive income. You are actively selecting a factor to invest in. Stock prices fluctuate, dividends can be cut. You may be too young to have gone through it, but In a recession you may see a combo of massive dividend cuts or suspensions and a 30-50% drawdown in your equity...

Is that passive? Can you handle no income for a year? Can your portfolio survive you taking equity out at peak drawdown because your dividends can’t support you anymore?
There's a ton of blue chip stocks which have increased dividends for well over 30+ years even in bad times.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Thanks, I'll check those out tonight.
Been reading those for about a year. PM if you have questions. The mister money mustache blog is also a great resource.

Most financial advisers purposely make things way to complicated to justify their existence. There is elegance in simplicity. Also, simple investment portfolio consisting of no more then 3-funds frequently beat more complicated schemes, especially over multi-decade time periods. Don't take shortcuts, just buy and invest in index funds and stay the course. It's almost like lifting. It's really simple (eat right, train hard and rest) yet there are many ways for those basic rules to become overly complicated by people trying to sell you something.

Good book backed by empirical research:
https://www.amazon.com/Bogleheads-Gu.../dp/1119487331

The cliff notes version is that all you need to know can fit on a index card:
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Originally Posted By ashin1⏩
1. If you haven't even started, seriously take the time to figure the difference between index investing and dividend investing and which is better suited for your personality.
2. the next step after is figure out what kind of brokerage account(self directed brokerage accounts varies so know which one best suits your needs, so this goes back to understanding your investment style/strategy) you want to use.
3. Call your broker service provide(in Canada most banks have a department in investments you can talk to and they will set up the application over the phone, and in a weeks time you will get documents in the mail that you sign and send back)
4. Put money into account and start investing
Is there a difference between going to my bank for a TFSA account (TD Canada) or using Questrade for investing?
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
I never thought about investing in a railway but TBH I don't see them going down regardless of the economy. Never researched them much but they've been a staple since North America built them.


Why don't you have more into a real estate fund?
Railways are highly cyclical. Prices of coal, agriculture and economic growth affect their share prices greatly. They got clobbered in the great recession.

I would recommend a basic 3 fund portfolio to minimize risk and simply own the market.

https://www.physicianonfire.com/read...s-three-funds/


https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Three-fund_portfolio
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The Trouble with any Ashin thread more than four posts long is he inevitably trips himself up forgetting the details about his own lies and exaggerations, for example, ITT, impossible to know:

Has he recently read one investment book, or 'several' ?
What is his total net portfolio value ? 220k (lol), 420k (lol lol), or 30k (max)
How many 'properties' (including trailers, and unbuilt ones) have a mortgage? Two or three?

Etc etc

Which is all apart from eternally unanswered questions about when he's going to pay his parents back for the money they loaned him.

If a young miscers take from this thread is to invest in Canadian railroads at 1% growth.... jeez
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Originally Posted By Hammersia⏩
The Trouble with any Ashin thread more than four posts long is he inevitably trips himself up forgetting the details about his own lies and exaggerations, for example, ITT, impossible to know:

Has he recently read one investment book, or 'several' ?
What is his total net portfolio value ? 220k (lol), 420k (lol lol), or 30k (max)
How many 'properties' (including trailers, and unbuilt ones) have a mortgage? Two or three?

Etc etc

Which is all apart from eternally unanswered questions about when he's going to pay his parents back for the money they loaned him.

If a young miscers take from this thread is to invest in Canadian railroads at 1% growth.... jeez
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Originally Posted By Hammersia⏩
The Trouble with any Ashin thread more than four posts long is he inevitably trips himself up forgetting the details about his own lies and exaggerations, for example, ITT, impossible to know:

Has he recently read one investment book, or 'several' ?
What is his total net portfolio value ? 220k (lol), 420k (lol lol), or 30k (max)
How many 'properties' (including trailers, and unbuilt ones) have a mortgage? Two or three?

Etc etc

Which is all apart from eternally unanswered questions about when he's going to pay his parents back for the money they loaned him.

If a young miscers take from this thread is to invest in Canadian railroads at 1% growth.... jeez
For those of us that are interested in investing but haven't started, whats your advice?
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Lol @ making it this hard. Get out of debt and don't get back into it.
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Lol at OPies clear amateur grade knowledge of growth vs dividend investments. Lol at $35k/yr “financial independence”

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Originally Posted By Travis99⏩
I’m horrible with money I make like 80k a year. In for advice.

Srs help me brahs.
List out your expenses. We'll help you.
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So to clarify - the benefit to investing into stocks like BMO and Scotiabank is that although each share is expensive, they are relatively stable and have a consistent dividend yield?
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Those lost, read this thread

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Originally Posted By BroHusky⏩
There's a ton of blue chip stocks which have increased dividends for well over 30+ years even in bad times.
Originally Posted By JitnikoVi⏩
Is there a difference between going to my bank for a TFSA account (TD Canada) or using Questrade for investing?
Can you start a Questrade account using the TFSA as the veichle? If you could, i'd go that way if you don't have the money for full share reinvestment but still want the automation of a DRIP. However I'd look to see if question trade honours the DRIP discounts on shares companies will offer to shareholders(usually a few percent cheaper than market's price)
Originally Posted By Hammersia⏩
The Trouble with any Ashin thread more than four posts long is he inevitably trips himself up forgetting the details about his own lies and exaggerations, for example, ITT, impossible to know:

Has he recently read one investment book, or 'several' ?
What is his total net portfolio value ? 220k (lol), 420k (lol lol), or 30k (max)
How many 'properties' (including trailers, and unbuilt ones) have a mortgage? Two or three?

Etc etc

Which is all apart from eternally unanswered questions about when he's going to pay his parents back for the money they loaned him.

If a young miscers take from this thread is to invest in Canadian railroads at 1% growth.... jeez
CNR stock is also one of the best dividend-growth stocks among Canadian companies, paying $0.4125 quarterly dividend. This payout is 10% higher when compared to the same period last year. Over the past five years, CNR’s annual dividend distribution has doubled to $1.5 a share on top of 350% capital gains.

CNR has been able to produce this stellar performance because it faces a very little competition and it commands pricing power. The Canadian rail industry is dominated by only two companies — CNR and Canadian Pacific Railway Limited.

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Originally Posted By OSUBBall23⏩
I think the biggest take away is that he has a plan...
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Originally Posted By gibbypoo⏩
Lol @ making it this hard. Get out of debt and don't get back into it.
so what we gonna do for income?
Originally Posted By JitnikoVi⏩
So to clarify - the benefit to investing into stocks like BMO and Scotiabank is that although each share is expensive, they are relatively stable and have a consistent dividend yield?
yes
Originally Posted By OSUBBall23⏩
With M1 Finance, you do not need a full share....
does m1 finance honor the DRIP discount?
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post 1567712791 12-03-2018, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted By OSUBBall23⏩
With M1 Finance, you do not need a full share....
I am signed up with Questrade which I believe is the most popular online broker in Canada. I'm still fuzzy on how to start. What I've gathered from this thread is that its best to open to TFSA (which is similar to an american RRSP) and invest in dividend or growth stocks. Starting off, from what i understood, its a good idea to play it safe and invest in Canadian banking stocks - consistent dividend returns and generally stable.

If i understood you, you are suggesting to invest in a portfolio? Or are you saying to invest money and you get partial shares?
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Originally Posted By JitnikoVi⏩
I am signed up with Questrade which I believe is the most popular online broker in Canada. A colleague of mine is a treasury exec there and he recommended me to start investing months ago. I'm still fuzzy on how to start. What I've gathered from this thread is that its best to open to TFSA (which is similar to an american RRSP) and invest in dividend or growth stocks. Starting off, from what i understood, its best to play it safe and invest in Canadian banking stocks - consistent dividend returns and generally stable.

What am i missing?

If i understood you, you are suggesting to invest in a portfolio?
Canadian Banks are stable, but you americans(given you live in the states) have lots of great blue chip companies as well, i'm jealous I can't hold them in my TFSA cause of foreign withholding taxes lol.

If you want to set and forget method of dividend growth investing then try and get a DRIP started, basically is a plan that automatically reinvests your dividends back into the company free of commission fees, and you sometimes get dividend reinvestment discounts from the company so you save/profit a little when you reinvest the dividends through a DRIP.
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Originally Posted By ashin1⏩
Canadian Banks are stable, but you americans(given you live in the states) have lots of great blue chip companies as well, i'm jealous I can't hold them in my TFSA cause of foreign withholding taxes lol.

If you want to set and forget method of dividend growth investing then try and get a DRIP started, basically is a plan that automatically reinvests your dividends back into the company free of commission fees, and you sometimes get dividend reinvestment discounts from the company so you save/profit a little when you reinvest the dividends through a DRIP.
I'm in Canada - from what I understood about buying American stocks as a Canadian is that the dividend yields are taxed for 15%, and we are subject to currency changes. Investing in foreign companies such as those in the UK are a better option since they aren't subject to that 15% tax although the currency changes still apply.

Noted about the DRIP.
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Originally Posted By JitnikoVi⏩
I'm in Canada - from what I understood about buying American stocks as a Canadian is that the dividend yields are taxed for 15%, and we are subject to currency changes. Investing in foreign companies such as those in the UK are a better option since they aren't subject to that 15% tax although the currency changes still apply.

Noted about the DRIP.
As long as you use the RRSP as a vehicle for your investments, any foreign withholding tax is waived. The only caveate to that is at some point you have to pay tax on that income, dividend tax credits do not work on income generated from an RRSP.
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Originally Posted By JitnikoVi⏩
For those of us that are interested in investing but haven't started, whats your advice?
My recommendation is to read this set of posts. I'll warn you that it'll take a few hours to read them all, but you probably waste way more time reading stupid chit on the internet. It's worthwhile to spend a few hours on something as important as finance.

Stock Series

Alternatively, if you want to pay for it, you can read the book version:The Simple Path to Wealth
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Originally Posted By ashin1⏩
Who said I would live in a trailer when i quit my job, I know for a fact I wouldn't be the only satellite landlord in the area

you probably need 6 figures of passive income to be happy, my only need after food and shelter is to skateboard. don't think i need a 6 figure passive income(as nice as it would be) to get that.

don't want to retire, i would love to one day own a skate company and have team of riders I can take on trips and do fun things like make videos, sell some merch and create a brand with close friends.
Originally Posted By Airror⏩
I didn't think the OP came off as bragging...

OP sounds like he's a minimalist, maybe that's something people didn't catch. Nothing wrong with minimalism. Also sounds like OP doesn't have kids, so FI doesn't seem too far fetched.
Live in a trailer OP. don't let the haters stop you. My own plan is to retire semi-hermit style. My own grandparents lived in a CABIN until they died (no running water and an outhouse). They had the means to build something else.
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Originally Posted By OSUBBall23⏩
If you mean they automatically reinvest your earned dividends, then yes. I receive nothing in the mail or into my personal bank account.
Many companies offer shares at a discount through their DRIP from 1 to 10% off the current share price. Between no commissions and aprice discount, the cost basis for owning the shares can be significantly lower than if the shares were purchased on the open market.

not all brokers honor the price discount included in a company's DRIP.
Hence why I switch my broker from BMO investorline(didn't honor the drip discount) to CIBC(investor edge does honor the drip discount).
This is why i tell people to figure out if dividend investing is right for them so they can open the right brokerage account. 20 years is a long time and alot of money to waste if the broker doesn't honor the drip discount is the way i see it.
Originally Posted By canonhope⏩
Live in a trailer OP. don't let the haters stop you. My own plan is to retire semi-hermit style. My own grandparents lived in a CABIN until they died (no running water and an outhouse). They had the means to build something else.
I mentioned in an earlier post i am gonna build a garage with a 500sq ft apartment beside my trailers, and that will be my base. (I see myself traveling most of the year and won't be home as much, but the option of base is good in case i need to resort back to my lucrative job(would still be making the same money because my pay scale is reflective of my years of experience).

but if i'm building a base, im gonna build to my liking, so i'll try and fit and indoor skate park in the garage portion lol

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Originally Posted By JitnikoVi⏩
For those of us that are interested in investing but haven't started, whats your advice?
Look young fella, I would probably consider myself as one of the more successful reds, (oops I've just turned green) posted pics of my new Porsche a few weeks ago, 'several' properties etc. Etc. BUT

I know enough about investing to know that:

1) I'm a lucky chump, I fell into some opportunities and a side hustle, didn't plan it
2) The vast vast majority of professional portfolio managers fail to beat the index over the medium and long term. Buffet and some others are brilliant.
3) Odds are therefore against Ashin being good at picking stocks.

Look if you buy into his minimalist way of life, reducing expenses to the minimum, that's one approach that may work for you. Personally if it was me living like that in the Tundra I would blow my brains out after a week but IDGAF.

But now he's recommending stocks..... if you take that advice seriously you might as well set your hair on fire and buy Bitcoin.

Plenty of sensible posters in this thread with links to real advice, but broadly:
1) Be lucky
2) Minimise tax
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Originally Posted By Hammersia⏩
Look young fella, I would probably consider myself as one of the more successful reds, (oops I've just turned green) posted pics of my new Porsche a few weeks ago, 'several' properties etc. Etc. BUT

I know enough about investing to know that:

1) I'm a lucky chump, I fell into some opportunities and a side hustle, didn't plan it
2) The vast vast majority of professional portfolio managers fail to beat the index over the medium and long term. Buffet and some others are brilliant.
3) Odds are therefore against Ashin being good at picking stocks.

Look if you buy into his minimalist way of life, reducing expenses to the minimum, that's one approach that may work for you. Personally if it was me living like that in the Tundra I would blow my brains out after a week but IDGAF.

But now he's recommending stocks..... if you take that advice seriously you might as well set your hair on fire and buy Bitcoin.

Plenty of sensible posters in this thread with links to real advice, but broadly:
1) Be lucky
2) Minimise tax
Agreed and I if may, I would add a number three. Keep costs low!

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Originally Posted By Hammersia⏩
Plenty of sensible posters in this thread with links to real advice, but broadly:
1) Be lucky
2) Minimise tax
For simplicity - If i invest $3000 into one of the big 5 Canadian banks, this would be considered a safe play because of its consistent dividend returns and year-to-year growth?

This is the direction I am headed right now. Open to suggestions.

When you say be lucky youre implying to invest in something now that will make it big later (eg netflix 15 years ago)?

Also not sure what you mean by minimise tax - if im using a TFSA that means im minimizing tax, correct?
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Originally Posted By Hammersia⏩
Look young fella, I would probably consider myself as one of the more successful reds, (oops I've just turned green) posted pics of my new Porsche a few weeks ago, 'several' properties etc. Etc. BUT

I know enough about investing to know that:

1) I'm a lucky chump, I fell into some opportunities and a side hustle, didn't plan it
2) The vast vast majority of professional portfolio managers fail to beat the index over the medium and long term. Buffet and some others are brilliant.
3) Odds are therefore against Ashin being good at picking stocks.

Look if you buy into his minimalist way of life, reducing expenses to the minimum, that's one approach that may work for you. Personally if it was me living like that in the Tundra I would blow my brains out after a week but IDGAF.

But now he's recommending stocks..... if you take that advice seriously you might as well set your hair on fire and buy Bitcoin.

Plenty of sensible posters in this thread with links to real advice, but broadly:
1) Be lucky
2) Minimise tax
Yet another poster who's sole purpose to of posting ITT is to try and antagonize OP.
its okay that you are mad I found my own way to finesse the game, while also enjoying my life to the fullest (anytime you hear tundra from this chump i promise you will never read private backyard skatepark along with it)

Again I am not reply to you directly, rather just like to make it known that its pretty weak that you a poster who is literally trying to discourage a miscer from wanting to expand his education on a potentially life changing idea.
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Originally Posted By JitnikoVi⏩
For simplicity - If i invest $3000 into one of the big 5 Canadian banks, this would be considered a safe play because of its consistent dividend returns and year-to-year growth?

This is the direction I am headed right now. Open to suggestions.

When you say be lucky youre implying to invest in something now that will make it big later (eg netflix 15 years ago)?

Also not sure what you mean by minimise tax - if im using a TFSA that means im minimizing tax, correct?
lets look at BMO for example:

BMO began operating in 1817, making it Canada’s oldest chartered bank. Right now, it’s the fourth-largest of the big five banks, with assets of $708.6 billion (as of July 31, 2017).

Bank of Montreal currently provides a wide range of financial services to over 10 million customers from 900 branches in Canada and 600 in the U.S. Its Canadian retail banking operations supply 40% of its earnings, while the U.S. branches contribute 18%.

The bank gets a further 23% of earnings from its capital markets division, which sells brokerage and securities-trading services. The remaining 19% comes from its wealth management business

Bank of Montreal has paid dividends without interruption for188 years.It last raised its quarterly dividend by 2.3% with the August 2017 payment. Investors now receive $0.90 a share instead of $0.88. The new annual rate of $3.60 yields 3.6%.
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Originally Posted By ashin1⏩
lets look at BMO for example:

BMO began operating in 1817, making it Canada’s oldest chartered bank. Right now, it’s the fourth-largest of the big five banks, with assets of $708.6 billion (as of July 31, 2017).

Bank of Montreal currently provides a wide range of financial services to over 10 million customers from 900 branches in Canada and 600 in the U.S. Its Canadian retail banking operations supply 40% of its earnings, while the U.S. branches contribute 18%.

The bank gets a further 23% of earnings from its capital markets division, which sells brokerage and securities-trading services. The remaining 19% comes from its wealth management business

Bank of Montreal has paid dividends without interruption for188 years.It last raised its quarterly dividend by 2.3% with the August 2017 payment. Investors now receive $0.90 a share instead of $0.88. The new annual rate of $3.60 yields 3.6%.
Are banks solid and safe? Definitely? Mmmm...

Royal Bank of Scotland, founded 1727, effectively bust 2008, 81% share dilution

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Bank_of_Scotland

The three biggest Icelandic banks, Kaupthing, Landsbanki and Glitnir, bust in 2008, biggest financial crash relative to size of economy in history:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008...nancial_crisis

Barings bank, founded 1762, bust in 1995:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barings_Bank

Complete list of major banking disasters for you:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banking_crises

And as for Canada..... in the opinion of the BIS in March this year it is one of the three countries most likely to have a new banking crisis due to high consumer spending and CC debt:

https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article/...banking-crisis
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Originally Posted By Hammersia⏩
Are banks solid and safe? Definitely? Mmmm...

Royal Bank of Scotland, founded 1727, effectively bust 2008, 81% share dilution

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Bank_of_Scotland

The three biggest Icelandic banks, Kaupthing, Landsbanki and Glitnir, bust in 2008, biggest financial crash relative to size of economy in history:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008...nancial_crisis

Barings bank, founded 1762, bust in 1995:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barings_Bank

Complete list of major banking disasters for you:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banking_crises

And as for Canada..... in the opinion of the BIS in March this year it is one of the three countries most likely to have a new banking crisis due to high consumer spending and CC debt:

https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article/...banking-crisis
sure the share price took a hit, but dividends were still coming in nice which means more buying power for the dividends

imma hold this dub now
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Originally Posted By ashin1⏩
sure the share price took a hit, but dividends were still coming in nice which means more buying power for the dividends

imma hold this dub now
WOT?

RBS hasn't paid a dividend for ten years!!!!!!!

https://www.dividenddata.co.uk/divid...ry.py?epic=RBS
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