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Originally Posted By Flowenol⏩
Exactly when I was younger the pool was much much smaller 18-22 and only 20-30% now it's 18-35 and 50% etc.... just more options for men.I definitely get more attention from a wider range of women now then I did in the past and I'm less attractive face wise. It's a combo of saying things no other guys say, understanding women, not being stressed and just in general acting like the world is mine. Most men won't learn these things or act this way though, so it's not true for the majority of men but a possibility.
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Originally Posted By SwayWay⏩
The pool is nottt smaller at a younger age. At 19 I got tons of attention from anyone my age up until late 40s. Whereas random guys in their 30s and 40s got called creepy for no particular reason.Exactly when I was younger the pool was much much smaller 18-22 and only 20-30% now it's 18-35 and 50% etc.... just more options for men.
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
Lol so you think your "value" as a med student is equal to your value when you are 35? I hope not. My value has only gone up since high school. I've been on the job for 1.5 years and already have made significant career progress. Either be the best at what you do or get to rotting boyo. There is no alternative.It's like maximum cope and deferring disappointment.
Yes something like 10% of girls like older guys but ~99% of girls like guys their own age. So while on paper a guy has more value with age, value is also determined by what the free market wants to pay.
And of equal importance, free time is out the window once you pass early 20s. You're left with a fraction of the free time and 100x the responsibility.
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Yes something like 10% of girls like older guys but ~99% of girls like guys their own age. So while on paper a guy has more value with age, value is also determined by what the free market wants to pay.
And of equal importance, free time is out the window once you pass early 20s. You're left with a fraction of the free time and 100x the responsibility.
inb4 angry miscers over discussion of reality
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there's tons of bs beliefs out there that are really just coping mechanisms and ways to stabalize society.
if people knew the reality, a lot of men would have nothing to lose. we're already seeing that with the mass shooting rise etc
if people knew the reality, a lot of men would have nothing to lose. we're already seeing that with the mass shooting rise etc
01-14-2019, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
obviously med school to doctor is added value because being a doctor brings status and good money.Lol so you think your "value" as a med student is equal to your value when you are 35? I hope not. My value has only gone up since high school. I've been on the job for 1.5 years and already have made significant career progress. Either be the best at what you do or get to rotting boyo. There is no alternative.
But you're average guy isnt going to anything as prestigious as a doctor. Women wont care if you're some middle manager making a good salary if you're still the same guy. it's not all about money, and even if it was why date a gold digger?
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
Medicine brings a lottt of money. But lol @ thinking doctors live grey's anatomy lifestyles.obviously med school to doctor is added value because being a doctor brings status and good money.
But you're average guy isnt going to anything as prestigious as a doctor. Women wont care if you're some middle manager making a good salary if you're still the same guy. it's not all about money, and even if it was why date a gold digger?
But you're average guy isnt going to anything as prestigious as a doctor. Women wont care if you're some middle manager making a good salary if you're still the same guy. it's not all about money, and even if it was why date a gold digger?
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01-14-2019, 08:44 PM
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It's not a cope.
Most men get better with age and don't really hit their stride until their 30s.
That is also about the time most men are ready to settle down and have a family if they lean that way at all.
This doesn't mean that if you do terribly with women when you are younger then you can just ride out the clock and when the magic hour strikes herds of fertile women will come knocking on your door.
But it is very reasonable to think that if you spend your twenties becoming your best self then you have better odds of finding a good partner when you reach your prime marriage years.
Men get a lot more runway than women do; about 10 years worth.
Most men get better with age and don't really hit their stride until their 30s.
That is also about the time most men are ready to settle down and have a family if they lean that way at all.
This doesn't mean that if you do terribly with women when you are younger then you can just ride out the clock and when the magic hour strikes herds of fertile women will come knocking on your door.
But it is very reasonable to think that if you spend your twenties becoming your best self then you have better odds of finding a good partner when you reach your prime marriage years.
Men get a lot more runway than women do; about 10 years worth.
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01-14-2019, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
this an illusion. its not age, its having more more(generally speaking) and being the right age for when women are starting to get more serious(later 20s, they start wanting men in their 30s). Thats all it isIt's not a cope.
Most men get better with age and don't really hit their stride until their 30s.
That is also about the time most men are ready to settle down and have a family if they lean that way at all.
This doesn't mean that if you do terribly with women when you are younger then you can just ride out the clock and when the magic hour strikes herds of fertile women will come knocking on your door.
But it is very reasonable to think that if you spend your twenties becoming your best self then you have better odds of finding a good partner when you reach your prime marriage years.
Men get a lot more runway than women do; about 10 years worth.
Most men get better with age and don't really hit their stride until their 30s.
That is also about the time most men are ready to settle down and have a family if they lean that way at all.
This doesn't mean that if you do terribly with women when you are younger then you can just ride out the clock and when the magic hour strikes herds of fertile women will come knocking on your door.
But it is very reasonable to think that if you spend your twenties becoming your best self then you have better odds of finding a good partner when you reach your prime marriage years.
Men get a lot more runway than women do; about 10 years worth.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
"This is not age... it's just all things that come with age"this an illusion. its not age, its having more more(generally speaking) and being the right age for when women are starting to get more serious(later 20s, they start wanting men in their 30s). Thats all it is
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
If you're a guy in his 30s, you pretty much have to be into single moms or something of that type. And personally, no issues with that. Just saying that those are the options for guys in their 30s.It's not a cope.
Most men get better with age and don't really hit their stride until their 30s.
That is also about the time most men are ready to settle down and have a family if they lean that way at all.
This doesn't mean that if you do terribly with women when you are younger then you can just ride out the clock and when the magic hour strikes herds of fertile women will come knocking on your door.
But it is very reasonable to think that if you spend your twenties becoming your best self then you have better odds of finding a good partner when you reach your prime marriage years.
Men get a lot more runway than women do; about 10 years worth.
Most men get better with age and don't really hit their stride until their 30s.
That is also about the time most men are ready to settle down and have a family if they lean that way at all.
This doesn't mean that if you do terribly with women when you are younger then you can just ride out the clock and when the magic hour strikes herds of fertile women will come knocking on your door.
But it is very reasonable to think that if you spend your twenties becoming your best self then you have better odds of finding a good partner when you reach your prime marriage years.
Men get a lot more runway than women do; about 10 years worth.
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01-14-2019, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
grumble grumble...stupid internet ate my postIf you're a guy in his 30s, you pretty much have to be into single moms or something of that type. And personally, no issues with that. Just saying that those are the options for guys in their 30s.
Anyway. It may seem that way, but statistically that just can't be.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...h-age-gap.html
There are some graphics including the first one that shows that the average first childbirth for women in the US was actually older in 2016 than in 1980.
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there's a limit.
for procreating, dating hbb's, you get better til u hit around 45.
then ur old. then you can't date fertile women anymore and have to hit on fat divorced old hags. And of course, being a single man at that age in shape making good money - you will be chased by all the women.
for procreating, dating hbb's, you get better til u hit around 45.
then ur old. then you can't date fertile women anymore and have to hit on fat divorced old hags. And of course, being a single man at that age in shape making good money - you will be chased by all the women.
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01-14-2019, 09:23 PM
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So which one are you?there's a limit.
for procreating, dating hbb's, you get better til u hit around 45.
then ur old. then you can't date fertile women anymore and have to hit on fat divorced old hags. And of course, being a single man at that age in shape making good money - you will be chased by all the women.
for procreating, dating hbb's, you get better til u hit around 45.
then ur old. then you can't date fertile women anymore and have to hit on fat divorced old hags. And of course, being a single man at that age in shape making good money - you will be chased by all the women.
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Originally Posted By RocknRollMuscle⏩
Dude, Jeff bezos is the richest person in the world and he was having an affair with someone who is 49 years old.there's a limit.
for procreating, dating hbb's, you get better til u hit around 45.
then ur old. then you can't date fertile women anymore and have to hit on fat divorced old hags. And of course, being a single man at that age in shape making good money - you will be chased by all the women.
for procreating, dating hbb's, you get better til u hit around 45.
then ur old. then you can't date fertile women anymore and have to hit on fat divorced old hags. And of course, being a single man at that age in shape making good money - you will be chased by all the women.
The old-young thing is an enormous myth. You have the literal richest person in the world as proof.
By misc logic, girls 18-25 should be going nuts over him.
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
and what % of men are at the jeff bezos category?Dude, Jeff bezos is the richest person in the world and he was having an affair with someone who is 49 years old.
The old-young thing is an enormous myth. You have the literal richest person in the world as proof.
By misc logic, girls 18-25 should be going nuts over him.
The old-young thing is an enormous myth. You have the literal richest person in the world as proof.
By misc logic, girls 18-25 should be going nuts over him.
women don't want to date old farts. Young fertile women want guys 5 to 10 years older then them. After 10, you had better be high value as fuark. Few guys are.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
But almost everything is about status, money, and lifestyle. Good looks are also a factor, but as dudes age as long as they stay in shape they just get better. Men start acquiring assets- a house, nice vehicle, a plethora of toys. These things are fun and as they go up the foodchain at work their "status" improves and they get more time off so their lifestyle improves too- more travels not to mention the additional money from upgraded job titles. Men around 30 usually have 5+ years of their profession under their belt and know where they are going with life which gives them confidence- a trait most females find very attractive.obviously med school to doctor is added value because being a doctor brings status and good money.
But you're average guy isnt going to anything as prestigious as a doctor. Women wont care if you're some middle manager making a good salary if you're still the same guy. it's not all about money, and even if it was why date a gold digger?
But you're average guy isnt going to anything as prestigious as a doctor. Women wont care if you're some middle manager making a good salary if you're still the same guy. it's not all about money, and even if it was why date a gold digger?
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Originally Posted By RocknRollMuscle⏩
Well then you're just fully agreeing with me.and what % of men are at the jeff bezos category?
women don't want to date old farts. Young fertile women want guys 5 to 10 years older then them. After 10, you had better be high value as fuark. Few guys are.
women don't want to date old farts. Young fertile women want guys 5 to 10 years older then them. After 10, you had better be high value as fuark. Few guys are.
I wouldn't say it's just the misc or even the internet but males as a whole think that their dating value to youngerrr women spikes up in their 30s and 40s. As if they transform into super elite guys.
And speaking of super rich guys, we also have an extremely long list of wealthy dudes who got in sh*t the last couple years for making women have sex with them. Had they actually been desirable, they wouldn't be in sh*t.
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
Dafuq? I just turned 30 last year and the last couple girls I've smashed + dated have been single women, fit bodies, all working in medical field / own their own business / government and been give or take a year: 23, 23, 24, 24, 27, 29. The 29 year old is the only one that actually broke it off with me for whatever reason. The rest I still keep in somewhat contact with and the 23 year old just hit me up for "wine night" tonight but I'm weighing options.If you're a guy in his 30s, you pretty much have to be into single moms or something of that type. And personally, no issues with that. Just saying that those are the options for guys in their 30s.
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
Can't remember if I had any confidence as a late teen but I certainly had no assets/money yet female attention was nuts. Fast forward to now when I do have all of those things, but just a veryy marginal drop in looks is night and day in female attention (for the worse). My close friends have identical experiences. Killing it at life but just a tiny drop in their looks has plummeted dating compared to before.But almost everything is about status, money, and lifestyle. Good looks are also a factor, but as dudes age as long as they stay in shape they just get better. Men start acquiring assets- a house, nice vehicle, a plethora of toys. These things are fun and as they go up the foodchain at work their "status" improves and they get more time off so their lifestyle improves too- more travels not to mention the additional money from upgraded job titles. Men around 30 usually have 5+ years of their profession under their belt and know where they are going with life which gives them confidence- a trait most females find very attractive.
Most guys aren't distinguishable when it comes to personality and confidence. Height/body is well overrated. The decision to go on that first date and/or a 2nd date if online dating comes down to physical attraction. You have to have really poor communication skills or be a complete wierdo to mess it up otherwise. And unless you're unemployed with no education, the rest is barely relevant.
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
That phrase has nothing to do with what girls like, lol.It's like maximum cope and deferring disappointment.
Yes something like 10% of girls like older guys but ~99% of girls like guys their own age. So while on paper a guy has more value with age, value is also determined by what the free market wants to pay.
And of equal importance, free time is out the window once you pass early 20s. You're left with a fraction of the free time and 100x the responsibility.
inb4 angry miscers over discussion of reality
Yes something like 10% of girls like older guys but ~99% of girls like guys their own age. So while on paper a guy has more value with age, value is also determined by what the free market wants to pay.
And of equal importance, free time is out the window once you pass early 20s. You're left with a fraction of the free time and 100x the responsibility.
inb4 angry miscers over discussion of reality
Men tend to grow smarter and stronger with age, and women do not.
Women have a brief hot and dynamic stage, and then it ends soon, then women fade into the background in life.
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
idk brah. we can't really know how many younger bishes were after bezosDude, Jeff bezos is the richest person in the world and he was having an affair with someone who is 49 years old.
The old-young thing is an enormous myth. You have the literal richest person in the world as proof.
By misc logic, girls 18-25 should be going nuts over him.
The old-young thing is an enormous myth. You have the literal richest person in the world as proof.
By misc logic, girls 18-25 should be going nuts over him.
that might not be a young bish thing, that might be a bezos thing
while i do doubt women that age are fawning after him, im gonna go ahead and go out on a limb and say most 18 year olds wouldn't turn him down
im pretty positive jet set lifestyle, luxury, anything you could want, etc. is attractive no matter the age
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A lot of men that fail get more hateful with age.
They see the guys that they think got an "unfair" advantage and all they have for that is hate.
They see the guys that they think got an "unfair" advantage and all they have for that is hate.
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Originally Posted By TappingTheZen⏩
Lol noI don't think so, it's extremely rare i come across a woman with a younger guy.
Also, while men may 'peak' at 21-23 or whatever, in terms of dating they peak 25-40+, whereas womens value drastically plummets in their late 20s/early 30s.
The reason for this is, as said before due to fertility, so the qualities we find attractive in women are associated in youth, whereas this isn't the same for men; the qualities women find attractive in men are associated with men in their 30's rather than 20's. (Mature looks, wealth, career, experience etc)
I mean think about it really, most guys at 18 still look like children, whereas most women at 18 have peaked and are very smashable. This is just my life experience from what i've seen, but at 29 i have far more success with women than i did at 18-23.
40+ is pushing it, but from my experience being 27-35 is peak age for getting 20-25 year old girls. (Provided the guy takes care of himself).
So in my view what you said is kind of true, most guys who are 40+ are not going to be smashing sexy young 20 something things, but at the same time i think in terms of dating, 27-35 year old males seem to be most desirable for early 20's women. (provided the man has kept his chit together)
Maybe it's a cope by me... but I, at least am better now at 29 than i was pre-25. I had some success with women when i was younger, but have much more now...but i also spent 22-26 in a long relationship which honestly grinded me down and fukked with my confidence by the end. At 29 i have a far better physique, more experience, more confidence in myself and more money and drive in life.
Also, while men may 'peak' at 21-23 or whatever, in terms of dating they peak 25-40+, whereas womens value drastically plummets in their late 20s/early 30s.
The reason for this is, as said before due to fertility, so the qualities we find attractive in women are associated in youth, whereas this isn't the same for men; the qualities women find attractive in men are associated with men in their 30's rather than 20's. (Mature looks, wealth, career, experience etc)
I mean think about it really, most guys at 18 still look like children, whereas most women at 18 have peaked and are very smashable. This is just my life experience from what i've seen, but at 29 i have far more success with women than i did at 18-23.
40+ is pushing it, but from my experience being 27-35 is peak age for getting 20-25 year old girls. (Provided the guy takes care of himself).
So in my view what you said is kind of true, most guys who are 40+ are not going to be smashing sexy young 20 something things, but at the same time i think in terms of dating, 27-35 year old males seem to be most desirable for early 20's women. (provided the man has kept his chit together)
Maybe it's a cope by me... but I, at least am better now at 29 than i was pre-25. I had some success with women when i was younger, but have much more now...but i also spent 22-26 in a long relationship which honestly grinded me down and fukked with my confidence by the end. At 29 i have a far better physique, more experience, more confidence in myself and more money and drive in life.
35 is old as fukk to a woman in her early 20’s
All of this can be disproven by walking outside and seeing how many early 20’s girls are dating dudes 30+.
It’s pretty rare.
Your best chance with girls in their 20’s is when you are also in your 20’s, point blank period.
The guy you are talking about is the exception to the rule, not the rule as the misc likes to pretend.
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Sucks to be you then, but let's not act like the career or accolades or status that comes from these things is what hinders you.Yeah cause in those countries/regions, women have no other choice. In USA, they outearn men under age 40 and hence can do all of the choosing to the max.
Overall, girls are doing far better than men. That includes education, career, income and everything else. The gap is actually widening drastically.
If you actually need investment bankers/millionaires and stacys in real life, you'd know how false this is.
My family's fairly wealthy and hence we live among/know other wealthy people. All the rich guys are married to someone their own age who is also average looking like them. We had one of those stacys in high school who married a rich guy that's 15 years older. She had a long list of psych issues.
Overall, girls are doing far better than men. That includes education, career, income and everything else. The gap is actually widening drastically.
If you actually need investment bankers/millionaires and stacys in real life, you'd know how false this is.
My family's fairly wealthy and hence we live among/know other wealthy people. All the rich guys are married to someone their own age who is also average looking like them. We had one of those stacys in high school who married a rich guy that's 15 years older. She had a long list of psych issues.
The time it takes and your lack of college/uni social circle is what ****s you, NOT that getting older has made things harder, it's just your life choices.
Not sure why we'd expect a 60 hour a week doctor to slay as much as Thad the frat guy who parties 60 hours a week.
Anyways, men like you should be using legit paid for dating services where you have a stream of fresh pussy coming your way, if you're making well into the 6 figs and not spending at LEAST few hundred if not thousand dollars on dating services, you're doing it wrong.
01-14-2019, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted By Maylie⏩
Statistics are descriptive, not prescriptive.Lol no
35 is old as fukk to a woman in her early 20’s
All of this can be disproven by walking outside and seeing how many early 20’s girls are dating dudes 30+.
It’s pretty rare.
Your best chance with girls in their 20’s is when you are also in your 20’s, point blank period.
The guy you are talking about is the exception to the rule, not the rule as the misc likes to pretend.
35 is old as fukk to a woman in her early 20’s
All of this can be disproven by walking outside and seeing how many early 20’s girls are dating dudes 30+.
It’s pretty rare.
Your best chance with girls in their 20’s is when you are also in your 20’s, point blank period.
The guy you are talking about is the exception to the rule, not the rule as the misc likes to pretend.
"Your best chance" is when you apply yourself toward getting what you like. What other people do is insignificant.
01-14-2019, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted By Maylie⏩
This dumb thot negs me because a post glow blue pilled whore gets mad at men for liking younger women.Lol no
35 is old as fukk to a woman in her early 20’s
All of this can be disproven by walking outside and seeing how many early 20’s girls are dating dudes 30+.
It’s pretty rare.
Your best chance with girls in their 20’s is when you are also in your 20’s, point blank period.
The guy you are talking about is the exception to the rule, not the rule as the misc likes to pretend.
35 is old as fukk to a woman in her early 20’s
All of this can be disproven by walking outside and seeing how many early 20’s girls are dating dudes 30+.
It’s pretty rare.
Your best chance with girls in their 20’s is when you are also in your 20’s, point blank period.
The guy you are talking about is the exception to the rule, not the rule as the misc likes to pretend.
"US GIRLS LIKE X"
COPE THOT
\/ THERE'S A GIRL WHO WE CAN CONFIRM (VIA HER AVI) IS INDEED A REAL WOMAN AND ACTUALLY MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN YOU
Originally Posted By katya422⏩
It's not a cope.
Most men get better with age and don't really hit their stride until their 30s.
That is also about the time most men are ready to settle down and have a family if they lean that way at all.
This doesn't mean that if you do terribly with women when you are younger then you can just ride out the clock and when the magic hour strikes herds of fertile women will come knocking on your door.
But it is very reasonable to think that if you spend your twenties becoming your best self then you have better odds of finding a good partner when you reach your prime marriage years.
Men get a lot more runway than women do; about 10 years worth.
Most men get better with age and don't really hit their stride until their 30s.
That is also about the time most men are ready to settle down and have a family if they lean that way at all.
This doesn't mean that if you do terribly with women when you are younger then you can just ride out the clock and when the magic hour strikes herds of fertile women will come knocking on your door.
But it is very reasonable to think that if you spend your twenties becoming your best self then you have better odds of finding a good partner when you reach your prime marriage years.
Men get a lot more runway than women do; about 10 years worth.
01-14-2019, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted By ComputerHacker⏩
So facts are irrelevant now?Statistics are descriptive, not prescriptive.
"Your best chance" is when you apply yourself toward getting what you like. What other people do is insignificant.
"Your best chance" is when you apply yourself toward getting what you like. What other people do is insignificant.
Lmao.
Statistics indicate a strong pattern. But every miscer thinks they’re going to be the exception to the rule. Some will be, sure but the rule isn’t disproven by the exception and the rule is that most women will want a guy closer to their age who is on track to be successful over some old guy who is successful, but who they don’t find physically attractive and have little in common with.
Miscers also severely underestimate the amount of money you need to date the hot gold diggers as a middle aged man.
That paid off Toyota Camry isn’t gonna do it lmao.
Be patient like the mountain. And you will learn to be strong.
100% serious 50% of the time.
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