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Millennials at it again, we're killing Harley Davidson.
01-28-2019, 08:50 AM
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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/25/actu...-davidson.html
The supposed millennial penchant for "killing" industries gets thrown around a lot, but it could really be happening to one American icon: the Harley-Davidson motorcycle.
Data suggest a considerable generational divide in attitudes toward heavyweight motorcycles, the sort of bikes sold by brands such as Harley and Polaris' Indian brand, said UBS analyst Robin Farley in a note published Friday.
It turns out that younger people do consider buying motorcycles, but for entirely different reasons than older customers, and that has potentially profound implications for companies such as Harley-Davidson, which has been struggling with declining sales and an aging demographic.
Shares of the motorcycle maker have fallen 32 percent in the last 12 months.
The survey's most significant finding is that 21- to 34-year-olds consider buying a bike for "ease of transportation," whereas older buyers purchase bikes "as a hobby" or because "motorcycles are cool."
This distinction is important, since the average Harley-Davidson customer is a married man in his early 50s, with a household income at or above $90,000. These are the customers buying motorcycles out of a passion for the product or lifestyle.Younger buyers appear to be more motivated to consider motorcycles for practical reasons, which means it is likely they will be more interested in less expensive bikes that bring in lower margins for manufacturers.
"We believe this significant divergence in incentives to buy a new bike could be what is partly behind Harley's and broader heavyweight motorcycle industry's challenge to tap into a new segment of younger riders to drive growth," Farley said. "So unless there is a generational shift among younger riders to see motorcycling as a hobby vs. means of transportation, the outlook for the heavyweight industry could continue to be more dependent on an aging demographic."
It might not be all bad, though.
"Perhaps one hopeful sign for the industry is that younger potential buyers cited the second most common reason to buy a motorcycle is that it 'goes with their self-image,'" Farley said.
Harley-Davidson has initiated an ambitious plan to lure 2 million more riders to the brand in 10 years. Among other things, the company is setting up riding schools around the country, and it is releasing an electric motorcycle called the "Livewire." The company also previewed two electric concept bikes earlier in January.
Officials at Polaris weren't immediately available to comment. Harley-Davidson told CNBC the company has been aware of the demographic trend and it has been informing the company's strategy.
"There's nothing new here," Harley-Davidson told CNBC in a statement. "Our advanced analytic capabilities allow us to deeply understand rider migration trends. In fact, our knowledge of riders informed our strategy to build the next generation of Harley-Davidson riders globally, which we launched in early 2017."
Or maybe, just maybe we can't afford expensive ass motorcycles and have more important priorities like $35K student loans and saving up for an $150K house in cheaper areas? I want a R6, but now it's just not the time.Data suggest a considerable generational divide in attitudes toward heavyweight motorcycles, the sort of bikes sold by brands such as Harley and Polaris' Indian brand, said UBS analyst Robin Farley in a note published Friday.
It turns out that younger people do consider buying motorcycles, but for entirely different reasons than older customers, and that has potentially profound implications for companies such as Harley-Davidson, which has been struggling with declining sales and an aging demographic.
Shares of the motorcycle maker have fallen 32 percent in the last 12 months.
The survey's most significant finding is that 21- to 34-year-olds consider buying a bike for "ease of transportation," whereas older buyers purchase bikes "as a hobby" or because "motorcycles are cool."
This distinction is important, since the average Harley-Davidson customer is a married man in his early 50s, with a household income at or above $90,000. These are the customers buying motorcycles out of a passion for the product or lifestyle.Younger buyers appear to be more motivated to consider motorcycles for practical reasons, which means it is likely they will be more interested in less expensive bikes that bring in lower margins for manufacturers.
"We believe this significant divergence in incentives to buy a new bike could be what is partly behind Harley's and broader heavyweight motorcycle industry's challenge to tap into a new segment of younger riders to drive growth," Farley said. "So unless there is a generational shift among younger riders to see motorcycling as a hobby vs. means of transportation, the outlook for the heavyweight industry could continue to be more dependent on an aging demographic."
It might not be all bad, though.
"Perhaps one hopeful sign for the industry is that younger potential buyers cited the second most common reason to buy a motorcycle is that it 'goes with their self-image,'" Farley said.
Harley-Davidson has initiated an ambitious plan to lure 2 million more riders to the brand in 10 years. Among other things, the company is setting up riding schools around the country, and it is releasing an electric motorcycle called the "Livewire." The company also previewed two electric concept bikes earlier in January.
Officials at Polaris weren't immediately available to comment. Harley-Davidson told CNBC the company has been aware of the demographic trend and it has been informing the company's strategy.
"There's nothing new here," Harley-Davidson told CNBC in a statement. "Our advanced analytic capabilities allow us to deeply understand rider migration trends. In fact, our knowledge of riders informed our strategy to build the next generation of Harley-Davidson riders globally, which we launched in early 2017."
01-28-2019, 08:53 AM
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Get what deserve for not collabing
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01-28-2019, 08:54 AM
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Perhaps the 500 lbs of chrome plating on a 500 % marked up rattling pile of 1945 technology is what is killing Harley.
01-28-2019, 08:55 AM
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Companies of that kind are supposed to cater to populations. Populations of people are not supposed to cater to companies
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01-28-2019, 08:57 AM
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Im kind of mind=blown at how much these are selling for lol.
01-28-2019, 08:59 AM
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They used to be cool and now they are associated with mid-life crises
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01-28-2019, 09:02 AM
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Harley mindset is in the past and are paying for it. Any of the big 4 Japanese bikes will demolish Harleys in every aspect, from performance, efficiency, to technology. They can be had right now even cheaper on the used market, stupid speed/dollar.
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01-28-2019, 09:07 AM
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My image of the stereotypical Harley rider is an aging, overweight, slightly-alcoholic dude desperately trying to recapture some sense of youth while his morbidly obese wife sits right behind him. Like, I've seen so many couples like that on Harleys it's not even funny. Plus they're expensive and look weird, idk how people can think they're "cool."
I think crotch rockets on the other hand look really cool and I'd like one one day
I think crotch rockets on the other hand look really cool and I'd like one one day
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01-28-2019, 09:14 AM
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fkn lol at blaming millennials for a failing business, it's the failure of the business for not adapting to the needs and wants of prospective customers, consumerism 101.
almost no millennial at age 25-30 is going to have an expensive hobby like buying/collecting/upgrading motorcycles when they don't even own their own house yet. People in their 50s have "expensive hobbies", not some 25 year old poverty kid just trying to keep his head afloat in debt.
Besides, lol @ Harley's. I associate that bike with some angry, overweight, oldcel that always says "back in my day ...". Much like their main demographic, it seems as if they are going through a mid-life crisis too. Just lmfao.
Also, lol @ motocels, not everybody but some of them seem like they are trying to overcompensate for something
almost no millennial at age 25-30 is going to have an expensive hobby like buying/collecting/upgrading motorcycles when they don't even own their own house yet. People in their 50s have "expensive hobbies", not some 25 year old poverty kid just trying to keep his head afloat in debt.
Besides, lol @ Harley's. I associate that bike with some angry, overweight, oldcel that always says "back in my day ...". Much like their main demographic, it seems as if they are going through a mid-life crisis too. Just lmfao.
Also, lol @ motocels, not everybody but some of them seem like they are trying to overcompensate for something
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01-28-2019, 09:15 AM
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It's funny how businesses in America try to get so ****ing massive, then fail after cutting every margin they could, then start laying of employees (don't know if HD did), then blame the buyers for not buying chit, then going bankrupt.
fuk off, it's called priorities.
fuk off, it's called priorities.
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01-28-2019, 09:21 AM
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That south park episode definitely didn't help. Motorcycles are more for suburban and rural populations, which is less dense, which means less of a target audience.
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I saw this coming years back. It's really not difficult to see what will happen when prices continually rise and wages stagnate or even fall.
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Originally Posted By MustardTiger17⏩
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Harley = cope.
They can't die soon enough.
They can't die soon enough.
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For decades there have been better technological, smoother riding, and safer bikes on the road. I like signature sounds and original ideas but they took far too long to keep pace with the rest of the competition.
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01-28-2019, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted By severagee⏩
I was a third party auditor for Harley Corporate for awhile. Required a 6 months stay in/near their HQ in Wisconsin. Can confirm.My image of the stereotypical Harley rider is an aging, overweight, slightly-alcoholic dude desperately trying to recapture some sense of youth while his morbidly obese wife sits right behind him. Like, I've seen so many couples like that on Harleys it's not even funny.
I think crotch rockets are cringe, and try hard, but you're still spot on about the Harley demographic.
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Riding a motorcycle would great but fuark riding one on a highway.
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I am 31 and I can only think of one person that has a harley.
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Originally Posted By MetroBrah⏩
Semi thisEven if I had enough money (which I do not), I would not want mid-life crisis death trap on wheels.
i mean I want a motorcycle one day, and even strongly desire an Indian. but no way i'm paying an extra $20k for the same goddamn motorcycle
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01-28-2019, 10:20 AM
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I don't care for Harley's.
Never liked the fanboys
Not very reliable for the cost
Priced out of the motorcycle market for my area (6-8 riding months per year)
I have a Goldwing and a Suzuki SV1000
Both together cost half of a new Harley. And I actually get to ride them, not tighten bolts every weekend.
Never liked the fanboys
Not very reliable for the cost
Priced out of the motorcycle market for my area (6-8 riding months per year)
I have a Goldwing and a Suzuki SV1000
Both together cost half of a new Harley. And I actually get to ride them, not tighten bolts every weekend.
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I've been contemplating getting a bike, but it's low on the list of things to buy in the next 3-5 years. Every time the idea crops into my head like "Hey I kinda like the look of that Harley" I just lol when I see the price for the specs. I'm torn between the classic style and naked street bike, but even if I got a classic style bike I'd go for a Kawasaki Vulcan over a Harley.
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