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CAMERON HANES RESPONDS TO TRUMP’S ANTI-HUNTING TWEET
President Donald Trump recently tweeted about a decision made by the department of the Interior to start allowing imports of elephants that were legally hunted in two African countries. He characterized “trophy hunting” as a quote “Horror Show” and did not see how it helps conversation.
Archer and Conservationist Cameron Hanes went to his ******** page and penned a great response to the president outlining how hunting is conservation and how animals need hunting for the survival of the species.
Is this for real @realdonaldtrump ?
I’ve never hunted elephant or have ever wanted to, but I do know that every successful wildlife conservation model includes hunting of select animals. Just look right here in North America, the greatest wildlife conservation success story in the world. It is because of hunters that our wildlife thrives. We don’t kill everything as the term “horror show” inaccurately might indicate. Biologists and wildlife professionals study habitat, the carrying capacity of the land, how many animal currently call it home, the health of the herd, etc. and determine bag limits. To ensure the health of any herd, this needs to happen with all animals, including elephants. I am shocked that you or those on your staff (@repryanzinke) aren’t fully aware of this? If some small town bowhunter from Oregon knows that hunting animals gives them value whereas not hunting animals is the very worst thing that can happen for their future, that’s not a good sign.
North America isn’t Africa, I understand that. So, let’s talk about the history of hunting in Kenya where in reality they loved their animals to death as Glen Martin wrote in Kenya: A Contrarian View. He said Kenya’s much-praised ban on hunting, had an impact opposite to its intent: wild animals disappeared at an accelerating rate. “Charismatic megafauna”; elephants, lions, rhinos, population numbers have plummeted. When Kenya’s hunting ban was passed in 1977 in response to the “Ivory Wars” that were ravaging the nation’s elephants, it was hailed as a new and progressive paradigm for wildlife management. With the hunting pressure off, animal lovers opined, the game would prosper. Instead Kenya’s wildlife has declined by more than 70 percent over the past 20 years. What happened? While the ban played well in the developed world, it was catastrophic for the people who lived in the rural Kenya, where wildlife actually exists. As animal rights groups applauded Kenya’s no-kill policy and urged its adoption across Africa, the killing continued unabated. Hunting gave the animals of Kenya value so those that live there cared about protecting them, as an investment. But with no hunting, elephants are a negative as they damage crops, ruin water sources, etc., lions kill livestock, antelope over graze crops, so carnivores are poisoned, antelope snared and elephants speared and shot so crops can grow and the livestock graze in peace. Poachers are another issue and with no hunting value on these animals there is no money to protect them (anti-poaching programs cost money that hunting trophy fees pay for) so the killing for ivory happens unabated. Today, more elephants are being killed in Africa than are being born, with at least 20,000 killed by poachers for their ivory last year alone.
If African wildlife is to survive local people must value it. In other words, they must be allowed to gain both income and meat from it in a sustainable fashion. Love it or hate it, lion, buffalo and elephant hunting can be sustainable enterprises. Wealthy hunters will pay between $50,000 to $100,000 to take a trophy male lion or elephant bull, and up to $20,000 for a buffalo. If that money and the meat is returned to local communities wildlife has value to those that can protect it. If you care about the animals of Africa, put tangible value on them again by enlisting a compressive management program that includes well managed hunting of select animals.
Hopefully President Trump understands that African Animals need hunting and that any decision should be based on what is good for the population and not on emotion.
CAMERON HANES RESPONDS TO TRUMP’S ANTI-HUNTING TWEET
President Donald Trump recently tweeted about a decision made by the department of the Interior to start allowing imports of elephants that were legally hunted in two African countries. He characterized “trophy hunting” as a quote “Horror Show” and did not see how it helps conversation.
Archer and Conservationist Cameron Hanes went to his ******** page and penned a great response to the president outlining how hunting is conservation and how animals need hunting for the survival of the species.
Is this for real @realdonaldtrump ?
I’ve never hunted elephant or have ever wanted to, but I do know that every successful wildlife conservation model includes hunting of select animals. Just look right here in North America, the greatest wildlife conservation success story in the world. It is because of hunters that our wildlife thrives. We don’t kill everything as the term “horror show” inaccurately might indicate. Biologists and wildlife professionals study habitat, the carrying capacity of the land, how many animal currently call it home, the health of the herd, etc. and determine bag limits. To ensure the health of any herd, this needs to happen with all animals, including elephants. I am shocked that you or those on your staff (@repryanzinke) aren’t fully aware of this? If some small town bowhunter from Oregon knows that hunting animals gives them value whereas not hunting animals is the very worst thing that can happen for their future, that’s not a good sign.
North America isn’t Africa, I understand that. So, let’s talk about the history of hunting in Kenya where in reality they loved their animals to death as Glen Martin wrote in Kenya: A Contrarian View. He said Kenya’s much-praised ban on hunting, had an impact opposite to its intent: wild animals disappeared at an accelerating rate. “Charismatic megafauna”; elephants, lions, rhinos, population numbers have plummeted. When Kenya’s hunting ban was passed in 1977 in response to the “Ivory Wars” that were ravaging the nation’s elephants, it was hailed as a new and progressive paradigm for wildlife management. With the hunting pressure off, animal lovers opined, the game would prosper. Instead Kenya’s wildlife has declined by more than 70 percent over the past 20 years. What happened? While the ban played well in the developed world, it was catastrophic for the people who lived in the rural Kenya, where wildlife actually exists. As animal rights groups applauded Kenya’s no-kill policy and urged its adoption across Africa, the killing continued unabated. Hunting gave the animals of Kenya value so those that live there cared about protecting them, as an investment. But with no hunting, elephants are a negative as they damage crops, ruin water sources, etc., lions kill livestock, antelope over graze crops, so carnivores are poisoned, antelope snared and elephants speared and shot so crops can grow and the livestock graze in peace. Poachers are another issue and with no hunting value on these animals there is no money to protect them (anti-poaching programs cost money that hunting trophy fees pay for) so the killing for ivory happens unabated. Today, more elephants are being killed in Africa than are being born, with at least 20,000 killed by poachers for their ivory last year alone.
If African wildlife is to survive local people must value it. In other words, they must be allowed to gain both income and meat from it in a sustainable fashion. Love it or hate it, lion, buffalo and elephant hunting can be sustainable enterprises. Wealthy hunters will pay between $50,000 to $100,000 to take a trophy male lion or elephant bull, and up to $20,000 for a buffalo. If that money and the meat is returned to local communities wildlife has value to those that can protect it. If you care about the animals of Africa, put tangible value on them again by enlisting a compressive management program that includes well managed hunting of select animals.
Hopefully President Trump understands that African Animals need hunting and that any decision should be based on what is good for the population and not on emotion.
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Originally Posted By axiom15⏩
From the websiteLion Meat - 1 Lb.
My name is Anshu Pathak, owner of Exotic Meat Market.
I run animal rescue.
Sounds funny, but that's the truth.
To support my rescue, I offer farm raised Lion Meat.
$ 49999.99 can help us to buy 5000 bales of Alfalfa.
Yes, meat is my business.
But, animal welfare is my passion.
Sounds too funny .....right?
Visit our farm - $ 100 cash or 10 Bales of Alfalfa. (Per Person)
I will give you a tour. I promise, you will support my philosophy.
Thank You
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What a lot of people don't understand is that these hunters have to donate a chit ton of money to kill an animal like this to wildlife conservation. Hunters actually donate the majority funding for wildlife more then these peta ****s or anyone else.
Edit ^^ He gets it.
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I don’t give two shyts about an animal that would love to eat me if they were hungry and I was around. Fuk em kill em all.
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Originally Posted By johnnyboi123⏩
You are such a weird ******* that’s controlled on emotion, you’re telling me you value a animal that would gladly eat you over a fellow human!?I would have no problem shooting everyone who's defending this guy in the head while they were sleeping. Scum of the earth.
What a lil bish.
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Originally Posted By whogotmuhbeers⏩
It's a matter of principle and ethics.You are such a weird ******* that’s controlled on emotion, you’re telling me you value a animal that would gladly eat you over a fellow human!?
What a lil bish.
What a lil bish.
I have no problem with people hunting and eating their kill. Trophy hunting on the other hand is completely ****ing stupid and trophy hunting a sleeping animal is one of the most cowardly things you can do.
If you see nothing wrong with what that guy did, I think you are a piece of **** and the world would be better without you honestly.
03-23-2019, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted By johnnyboi123⏩
It's really not that stupid. We evolved to hunt and kill these predators for sport. It is our way of eliminating our competition and dominating our environment. In case you didn't notice, we aren't preyed upon by hyenas, bears, tigers, and lions anymore. Do you know why? Because we fuking massacred tons of them. I see nothing wrong with what the guy did aside from if he violated some laws regarding endangered species. Killing a sleeping lion is much smarter than killing an alert lion. I wouldn't personally kill a lion because I have no need to, but if he wants to, he can. It seems cruel and unfair, but it is also cruel and unfair when lions eat other lions' children. Nature gonna nature. Human gonna human, and killers gonna kill.It's a matter of principle and ethics.
I have no problem with people hunting and eating their kill. Trophy hunting on the other hand is completely ****ing stupid and trophy hunting a sleeping animal is one of the most cowardly things you can do.
If you see nothing wrong with what that guy did, I think you are a piece of **** and the world would be better without you honestly.
I have no problem with people hunting and eating their kill. Trophy hunting on the other hand is completely ****ing stupid and trophy hunting a sleeping animal is one of the most cowardly things you can do.
If you see nothing wrong with what that guy did, I think you are a piece of **** and the world would be better without you honestly.
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dude pointlessly killed a lion but he probably ended up donating like half a millie to conservation and betterment / nature preservation for other animals and lions in there
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Originally Posted By johnnyboi123⏩
Saying you'll shoot people in their sleep because they have a different opinion then you is a matter of principle and ethics? The only coward here is you saying that behind your computer screen and no Avi. The only reason you can type your retarted post because other people worked hard to give you the right to do so. What did the lion do for you again? Also read post 64It's a matter of principle and ethics.
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Idk anything about hunting or hunting ethics.
Seems kind of anti climactic to shoot a sleeping animal... however (again) idk wtf I'm talking about.
If I did hunt idk if I'd want to kill a majestic creature like a lion, tiger, Grizzly, giraffe, rhino etc.
Would rather watch a pride of lions hunt in it's natural habitat than shoot it but to each their own as long as it was done legally and ethically
Seems kind of anti climactic to shoot a sleeping animal... however (again) idk wtf I'm talking about.
If I did hunt idk if I'd want to kill a majestic creature like a lion, tiger, Grizzly, giraffe, rhino etc.
Would rather watch a pride of lions hunt in it's natural habitat than shoot it but to each their own as long as it was done legally and ethically
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Let it be someones dog and the whole world would stop. Poor lion.
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I don't find much value in trophy hunting. Even though I'm a meat eater, we have commercialized slaughter for that, and I'd prefer to just leave wild animals alone for spectating.
Call it compartmentalization in my views of animals, I guess.
Nothing interesting comes from putting a bullet in a healthy sleeping animal if you don't need to to survive.
Call it compartmentalization in my views of animals, I guess.
Nothing interesting comes from putting a bullet in a healthy sleeping animal if you don't need to to survive.
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Originally Posted By CalmWind⏩
He doesn’t only kill predatorsdont care, as long as the lion meat is eaten and not wasted.
Lions kill sleeping animals all the time.
in fact, lions target the weakest, the sick, the babies....
ITT : Predator got Predator'd. no sympathy.
Lions kill sleeping animals all the time.
in fact, lions target the weakest, the sick, the babies....
ITT : Predator got Predator'd. no sympathy.
Also lol at him lying to try to justify shooting animals for the thrill (mental illness) only to stuff them later
He has visited Africa several times to kill big game, once boasting that he has bagged all of the 'big five' animals that are said to be the most difficult to kill on foot — the lion, leopard, rhino, elephant and Cape buffalo. Of the five, the buffalo is the only one that is not endangered.
'You can say, why'd you shoot a lion?' he said during a 2015 interview with WBBM-FM, a radio station in Chicago.
'I love zebra, so shooting a lion probably saves 70 zebra a year, give or take. There's all these kinds of balances in nature.'
However, his ******** page, which he has now taken down, contained a photo of a zebra's head in his vehicle with the caption: 'Now how did this get in my truck?
A picture of his 'trophy room' showed 17 stuffed animals and two zebra skins.
He admitted in the old interview that his hunting is mainly for the thrill of the kill. 'I really like hunting elephants,' he said. 'They're difficult to track down. They're incredibly dangerous.
'The first elephant I got, I walked over 120 miles tracking elephants before I actually caught up to him and found him.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-video.html'You can say, why'd you shoot a lion?' he said during a 2015 interview with WBBM-FM, a radio station in Chicago.
'I love zebra, so shooting a lion probably saves 70 zebra a year, give or take. There's all these kinds of balances in nature.'
However, his ******** page, which he has now taken down, contained a photo of a zebra's head in his vehicle with the caption: 'Now how did this get in my truck?
A picture of his 'trophy room' showed 17 stuffed animals and two zebra skins.
He admitted in the old interview that his hunting is mainly for the thrill of the kill. 'I really like hunting elephants,' he said. 'They're difficult to track down. They're incredibly dangerous.
'The first elephant I got, I walked over 120 miles tracking elephants before I actually caught up to him and found him.
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There's nothing admirable about this
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Trophy "hunting" is a hobby for massive *******s, but they always claim they are killing in ways that are ecologically sound.
Does that claim hold water? Sucks to see awesome animals gunned down so some old rich guy can get an erection, but it's not like I'm doing chit to save the species, I guess.
Does that claim hold water? Sucks to see awesome animals gunned down so some old rich guy can get an erection, but it's not like I'm doing chit to save the species, I guess.
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
Gotta look at it like this... Would you rather it be a person doing it legally dropping like 100k per kill that goes towards conservation and ensuring the survival of the species or by poachers doing it willy nilly with no restrictions that would happily put the animals to extinction out of pure greed. I hate seeing these near endangered species hunted more than anyone else but it's going to happen either way so I'd rather see it done the right way that has regulations.Trophy "hunting" is a hobby for massive *******s, but they always claim they are killing in ways that are ecologically sound.
Does that claim hold water? Sucks to see awesome animals gunned down so some old rich guy can get an erection, but it's not like I'm doing chit to save the species, I guess.
Does that claim hold water? Sucks to see awesome animals gunned down so some old rich guy can get an erection, but it's not like I'm doing chit to save the species, I guess.
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Originally Posted By CalmWind⏩
you got to be kidding me dudedont care, as long as the lion meat is eaten and not wasted.
Lions kill sleeping animals all the time.
in fact, lions target the weakest, the sick, the babies....
ITT : Predator got Predator'd. no sympathy.
Lions kill sleeping animals all the time.
in fact, lions target the weakest, the sick, the babies....
ITT : Predator got Predator'd. no sympathy.
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I've never been on an exotic game hunt, but this reminds me of the 'hunters' who bag bucks eating at the corn feeder with their .308.
03-23-2019, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted By HomerJThompson⏩
I think trophy hunting is despicable. These animals are not over populated. Deer I understand because you need to thin the population, but lions and other big cats/big game that are close to extinction? How can it be allowed?"Just over a century ago, there were more than 200,000 wild lions living in Africa. Today, there are only about 20,000; lions are extinct in 26 African countries." The population count from the IUCN Red List is slightly more optimistic, but not much: They estimate there are 20,000 to 39,000 lions left in the wild"
Meanwhile humans going to 10 billion.
Meanwhile humans going to 10 billion.
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Originally Posted By Legz422⏩
because money talks, and as far as i know it's generally only diseased or ageing animals which are targeted for big game hunts, with the profits being used to help the local communities and for conservationI think trophy hunting is despicable. These animals are not over populated. Deer I understand because you need to thin the population, but lions and other big cats/big game that are close to extinction? How can it be allowed?
having said that, the guys that do this are still huge sad *******s. gjdm, you drove out in a jeep and shot a defenceless animal from long range, youre a real tough guy
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Originally Posted By frump94⏩
yeah... youd have to be pretty fuked in the skull to enjoy this type of ****...because money talks, and as far as i know it's generally only diseased or ageing animals which are targeted for big game hunts, with the profits being used to help the local communities and for conservation
having said that, the guys that do this are still huge sad *******s. gjdm, you drove out in a jeep and shot a defenceless animal from long range, youre a real tough guy
having said that, the guys that do this are still huge sad *******s. gjdm, you drove out in a jeep and shot a defenceless animal from long range, youre a real tough guy
id feel super duper ****ty about myself if i killed a lion or wolf or w.e for no good reason, these fukers are selfies with it... smh.
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But even I would not be proud of that
Very pro gun; pro hunting
I believe there's plenty of room on God's great earth for all animals; right next to the mashed potatoes
But even I would not be proud of that
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Originally Posted By TheWeeknd4Ever⏩
yea i hate it actually, to the rest of the miscers who approve of that, u can tell they are piece of chit scummy humans.There's nothing admirable about this
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Originally Posted By 128⏩
im surprised this guy hasnt had his hand chopped off. that would surely halt his ...trophy hunting bullchit.He doesn’t only kill predators
Also lol at him lying to try to justify shooting animals for the thrill (mental illness) only to stuff them later
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-video.html
Also lol at him lying to try to justify shooting animals for the thrill (mental illness) only to stuff them later
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-video.html
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I have no problem with trophy hunters but for God's sake get your monies worth.
My guide is going to have to throw a rock or sound a horn if he wants to get paid.
Edit: Could the lion be drugged?
SMH
Gonna need my money back.
My guide is going to have to throw a rock or sound a horn if he wants to get paid.
Edit: Could the lion be drugged?
SMH
Gonna need my money back.
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how do bozos ITT still not know that without money from trophy hunters, there would be hardly any funding for wildlife conservation to stop poachers from completely obliterating the species with wanton disregard.
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