It's like putting a man in a temperature controlled jail cell with nothing to do, not harder to survive, but is unnatural and will drive you insane, much worse than being outside freezing or overheating with **** to do, like putting a killer whale in SeaWorld pool, animal cruelty

that feel when unable to afford a home because of inflated market caused by boomer retard speculators just buying up sheit and letting it sit empty and millions of third worlders dilluting labor market supply suppressing your wages, no sense of community, constantly surrounded by foreigners and strangers, realizing that having a traditional happy family with a wife and kids that love you is an adolescent fantasy that no longer exists since women have been led to believe that their 20s should be better spent "working" making pointless power points or doing some other useless sheit for $15/hr rather than having a family and instead they're taking hormone birth control pills destroying their reproductive system and fornicating with a large crowd of 50+ men, believing sex is not the sacred act of creating a new life but it is instead just something for fun like a "sport" or "experience" and fornication "empowering" when it really just destroys their ability to love or trust or bond with any future husband. When you realize your life is meaningless and when you die nobody will even notice you're gone. Surrounded by ugly brutal concrete structures and asphalt everywhere you look. Suffocating from the pressure around you you can't do anything without permission from big daddy government. All the "food" sold at the stores is filled with soy and unnatural amounts of sugar and chemicals and hormones and herbicides and pesticiedes and wrapped in testosterone destroying plastics and everything you touch is made of xenoestrogen chemicals intended to destroy you. View any media and get constantly bombarded with anti you propaganda promoting the most vile perverted degenerate filth beyond anything you could even imagine in your worst nightmare then you're being called a bigot "ist" or "phobe" for not thinking it is normal or good for a healthy society. Sedated by pornography readily given for free to distract you from your pain and loneliness . Tell a doctor you don't feel well and just get dosed with anti depression drugs to better deal with the sick society you're thrust into and turning you into a soulless meat puppet zombie living your days in a disassociated state until you just end it yourself or overdose on narcotics or alcohol. But we live in America the greatest country to ever exist gotta love it right ?

complains about being unable to afford a home because of inflated market (fair point)

Annoyed that women want to actually work now instead of sit at home and knit.

Be thankful that women want to work, it makes paying bills easier when the time comes. And even if it didn't, why would you want a girl that has zero goals, motivation and just wants to sit at home and leach lmao

that feel when unable to afford a home because of inflated market caused by boomer retard speculators just buying up sheit and letting it sit empty and millions of third worlders dilluting labor market supply suppressing your wages, no sense of community, constantly surrounded by foreigners and strangers, realizing that having a traditional happy family with a wife and kids that love you is an adolescent fantasy that no longer exists since women have been led to believe that their 20s should be better spent "working" making pointless power points or doing some other useless sheit for $15/hr rather than having a family and instead they're taking hormone birth control pills destroying their reproductive system and fornicating with a large crowd of 50+ men, believing sex is not the sacred act of creating a new life but it is instead just something for fun like a "sport" or "experience" and fornication "empowering" when it really just destroys their ability to love or trust or bond with any future husband. When you realize your life is meaningless and when you die nobody will even notice you're gone. Surrounded by ugly brutal concrete structures and asphalt everywhere you look. Suffocating from the pressure around you you can't do anything without permission from big daddy government. All the "food" sold at the stores is filled with soy and unnatural amounts of sugar and chemicals and hormones and herbicides and pesticiedes and wrapped in testosterone destroying plastics and everything you touch is made of xenoestrogen chemicals intended to destroy you. View any media and get constantly bombarded with anti you propaganda promoting the most vile perverted degenerate filth beyond anything you could even imagine in your worst nightmare then you're being called a bigot "ist" or "phobe" for not thinking it is normal or good for a healthy society. Sedated by pornography readily given for free to distract you from your pain and loneliness . Tell a doctor you don't feel well and just get dosed with anti depression drugs to better deal with the sick society you're thrust into and turning you into a soulless meat puppet zombie living your days in a disassociated state until you just end it yourself or overdose on narcotics or alcohol. But we live in America the greatest country to ever exist gotta love it right ?

It's like putting a man in a temperature controlled jail cell with nothing to do, not harder to survive, but is unnatural and will drive you insane, much worse than being outside freezing or overheating with **** to do, like putting a killer whale in SeaWorld pool, animal cruelty

You're such a dumb sloot. By having women work, you effectively doubled the workforce, thus lowering worker value.

How exactly is having one parent work, earn enough to own a house/car, provide for a whole family and live comfortably. Other parent stays home and makes raising the children to the best of their abilities their full time job

worse than

having both parents work, barely afford a house and car and live on a financial tightrope. Neither parent stays home so raising kids is an after thought.

Sloot logic, not even once.

The reason both parents now work is BECAUSE housing is so expensive so its more ideal in most situations to have both parents working, that and. God forbid a girl wants to do more with her life than sit at home.

you dumb inbred, throw away your phone and go back to the 60's

Imagine having such little economical knowledge that you think women working is the reason why housing prices are so high.
Imagine thinking that lowered worker value, when in reality it strengthened it because thats the by-product of more healthy competition.

The reason both parents now work is BECAUSE housing is so expensive so its more ideal in most situations to have both parents working, that and. God forbid a girl wants to do more with her life than sit at home.

Imagine being that insecure that you're actually attracted to women with no life goals and no brains, that just sit at home and knit.

By the way, sick belly tatt - you get fired from ur last job by a women? I'd say neg me, but youre red.

Some of the mental midgets in this thread are the same crew that cry "lol if your wife/gf earns more than you". They fail to see that (e.g.,) a happy marriage consisting of two high earning partners allows those partners to live an amazing life together, and makes them avoid unhappiness (from a lack of money), making them also the possible best persons to have children.

Instead, they are simple forms of mgtow/incel garbage who try to argue that the old days were somehow better for everyone. They were not. The argument you quote "How exactly is having one parent work, earn enough to own a house/car, provide for a whole family and live comfortably. Other parent stays home and makes raising the children to the best of their abilities their full time job" is a luxury. I make enough that my wife doesn't have to work, but she chooses to. And good for her - it allows us to invest in different ways that might allow us both to retire when we are pretty young.

The OP is likely a banned account and/or simply an incel like troll. He abuses the 'srs' tag to promote garbage that incels like to share with each other but - if you take the time toreadthe thread about 'when does marriage make sense' you'll also see a few valuable posts in there, including mine, which show that marriage isn't for everyone.

Posts like that, and this one, where logic is obviously included, are clearly ignored by the sort of people on the Misc who are typically trolling when they try to argue that 'men should never marry' and so on. You'll waste your time arguing with them because most are trolling - or if they are not - there is no way to reach them. Their way of thinking is so bitter that there's no way to pierce their biased way of thinking. Instead, they simply cry online, and rage at anyone who calls them out for it.

Tbh, you're just as guilty of painting an overly simple perspective, only for the other side of the argument.

But again, I think you're confusing 'often doesn't work' with 'never works'. There's a logical distinction between the two. What explains 'why it fails so much' for me boils down to the people entering into the marriage, not the act itself.

Let's look at it from the other perspective: marriage won't work for the vast majority of people - so most people shouldn't get married. They might as well remain in long term relationships. In fact, there's an amazing paper on this that I have linked before but is underappreciated in the overall discussion usually. It examines why women want divorce more than their male counterparts:

https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/R...of_breakup.pdf

Some of my favorite parts:

"Most divorces in the US are wanted by the wife. In this paper I suggest (for the first time) that the gender gap in relationship satisfaction and the gender gap in who wants the breakup are unique to heterosexual marriage. Nonmarital heterosexual unions have a gender neutral breakup pattern and a gender neutral pattern of relationship satisfaction. Neither women’s supposedly greater sensitivity to relationship problems, nor income gaps, nor education gaps, nor conservative religious identity, nor woman’s age, nor the presence of children explain why women are so much more likely than men to desire exit from heterosexual marriage, but no more likely than men to desire exit from nonmarital heterosexual unions."

and (the paper acknowledges that divorce results tend to favor women)

"The gender gap in marital satisfaction which is consistent across the life course and across historical time suggests that women’s role in marital breakup is not simply introduced at the end of relationships for instrumental reasons; rather, the gender of breakup appears to be rooted in marriage itself."

and

"Wives have predominated in wanting divorce since the earliest available data on who wanted divorce from the 1940s. Wives have consistently reported lower marital satisfaction than husbands since the earliest available data from the 1970s."

Cliffs: women report lower levels of happiness in marriage, though the happiness does not track any specific element. This unhappiness leads to more divorces being initiated by women, but this does not indicate that the women are using divorce in an instrumental manner. Women have always wanted to divorce more than men - since divorce data has been available. Therefore: women are far more likely to be unhappily married than men are. Yet, in heterosexual non-married unions, there is no gendered relationship with unhappiness in the relationship.

So being married apparently makes women unhappy. And I'll go back to what I said above - many people are not cut out for marriage. But it doesn't mean that marriage is useless. In the paper I cite, the author states:

"Most married women are happily married, and the marital network tie remains the most stable (and some scholars would argue, the most important) network tie in the modern social world."

These statistics show that plenty of people get married for the wrong reason. Where you say 'romance' I'd say 'because people believe they should get married'. Anyone reading this has known men and women who said 'I should settle down now' or 'I'll settle down after college' - any attempt to 'settle down' in a relationship is doomed to fail. The very notion of 'settling down' is bizarre.

Some of the mental midgets in this thread are the same crew that cry "lol if your wife/gf earns more than you". They fail to see that (e.g.,) a happy marriage consisting of two high earning partners allows those partners to live an amazing life together, and makes them avoid unhappiness (from a lack of money), making them also the possible best persons to have children.

Instead, they are simple forms of mgtow/incel garbage who try to argue that the old days were somehow better for everyone. They were not. The argument you quote "How exactly is having one parent work, earn enough to own a house/car, provide for a whole family and live comfortably. Other parent stays home and makes raising the children to the best of their abilities their full time job" is a luxury. I make enough that my wife doesn't have to work, but she chooses to. And good for her - it allows us to invest in different ways that might allow us both to retire when we are pretty young.

The OP is likely a banned account and/or simply an incel like troll. He abuses the 'srs' tag to promote garbage that incels like to share with each other but - if you take the time toreadthe thread about 'when does marriage make sense' you'll also see a few valuable posts in there, including mine, which show that marriage isn't for everyone.

Posts like that, and this one, where logic is obviously included, are clearly ignored by the sort of people on the Misc who are typically trolling when they try to argue that 'men should never marry' and so on. You'll waste your time arguing with them because most are trolling - or if they are not - there is no way to reach them. Their way of thinking is so bitter that there's no way to pierce their biased way of thinking. Instead, they simply cry online, and rage at anyone who calls them out for it.

Some of the mental midgets in this thread are the same crew that cry "lol if your wife/gf earns more than you". They fail to see that (e.g.,) a happy marriage consisting of two high earning partners allows those partners to live an amazing life together, and makes them avoid unhappiness (from a lack of money), making them also the possible best persons to have children.

Instead, they are simple forms of mgtow/incel garbage who try to argue that the old days were somehow better for everyone. They were not. The argument you quote "How exactly is having one parent work, earn enough to own a house/car, provide for a whole family and live comfortably. Other parent stays home and makes raising the children to the best of their abilities their full time job" is a luxury. I make enough that my wife doesn't have to work, but she chooses to. And good for her - it allows us to invest in different ways that might allow us both to retire when we are pretty young.

The OP is likely a banned account and/or simply an incel like troll. He abuses the 'srs' tag to promote garbage that incels like to share with each other but - if you take the time toreadthe thread about 'when does marriage make sense' you'll also see a few valuable posts in there, including mine, which show that marriage isn't for everyone.

Posts like that, and this one, where logic is obviously included, are clearly ignored by the sort of people on the Misc who are typically trolling when they try to argue that 'men should never marry' and so on. You'll waste your time arguing with them because most are trolling - or if they are not - there is no way to reach them. Their way of thinking is so bitter that there's no way to pierce their biased way of thinking. Instead, they simply cry online, and rage at anyone who calls them out for it.

Some of the mental midgets in this thread are the same crew that cry "lol if your wife/gf earns more than you". They fail to see that (e.g.,) a happy marriage consisting of two high earning partners allows those partners to live an amazing life together, and makes them avoid unhappiness (from a lack of money), making them also the possible best persons to have children.

Instead, they are simple forms of mgtow/incel garbage who try to argue that the old days were somehow better for everyone. They were not. The argument you quote "How exactly is having one parent work, earn enough to own a house/car, provide for a whole family and live comfortably. Other parent stays home and makes raising the children to the best of their abilities their full time job" is a luxury. I make enough that my wife doesn't have to work, but she chooses to. And good for her - it allows us to invest in different ways that might allow us both to retire when we are pretty young.

The OP is likely a banned account and/or simply an incel like troll. He abuses the 'srs' tag to promote garbage that incels like to share with each other but - if you take the time toreadthe thread about 'when does marriage make sense' you'll also see a few valuable posts in there, including mine, which show that marriage isn't for everyone.

Posts like that, and this one, where logic is obviously included, are clearly ignored by the sort of people on the Misc who are typically trolling when they try to argue that 'men should never marry' and so on. You'll waste your time arguing with them because most are trolling - or if they are not - there is no way to reach them. Their way of thinking is so bitter that there's no way to pierce their biased way of thinking. Instead, they simply cry online, and rage at anyone who calls them out for it.

Sloot logic strikes again. Let's create a surplus of something to increase it's value lol

Attacking my avi? lol when everyone knows you stole a pic of some sloot to pass off as your own.

There's a reason women were not allowed to vote. Every major civilization shared one thing in common before it collapsed -it gave women rights

Being a male in 2019 is better than being any creature that has lived on Earth since its beginning srs..

you dumb inbred, throw away your phone and go back to the 60's

Imagine having such little economical knowledge that you think women working is the reason why housing prices are so high.
Imagine thinking that lowered worker value, when in reality it strengthened it because thats the by-product of more healthy competition.

The reason both parents now work is BECAUSE housing is so expensive so its more ideal in most situations to have both parents working, that and. God forbid a girl wants to do more with her life than sit at home.

Imagine being that insecure that you're actually attracted to women with no life goals and no brains, that just sit at home and knit.

By the way, sick belly tatt - you get fired from ur last job by a women? I'd say neg me, but youre red.

its the hardest time to be a human these days. alex dugin is like this could be the last human generation so strap in.

now if you think of living standards, etc, you are low iq and arent thinking more deeper

Except being a woman in 2019.

still cant rep you.



humans =/= products

more workers = more value because theres more competition, more competition means you need to stand out more and be better than your peers, thereby, increasing value.

thats the best you got? i googled my avi? ok

And yeah, cause were totally collapsing now that women can vote, imagine being 30 and complaining about women having rights lmao its no wonder you sympathize with the op

Back then having an average income made you a good marriage prospect, now women either earn their own money or the government steps in and plays the financial role of husband.Either way our value as men has diminished a lot.

Do you have kids? If both parents have full time careers who’s raising your kid?

you dumb inbred, throw away your phone and go back to the 60's

Imagine having such little economical knowledge that you think women working is the reason why housing prices are so high.
Imagine thinking that lowered worker value, when in reality it strengthened it because thats the by-product of more healthy competition.

The reason both parents now work is BECAUSE housing is so expensive so its more ideal in most situations to have both parents working, that and. God forbid a girl wants to do more with her life than sit at home.

Imagine being that insecure that you're actually attracted to women with no life goals and no brains, that just sit at home and knit.

By the way, sick belly tatt - you get fired from ur last job by a women? I'd say neg me, but youre red.

If you think that a man in his 30s stating he earns enough money such that his wife doesn't 'have to work' is bragging, I have bad news for you. There are women on this forum (I won't out them) who earn enough that a potential husband or male partner would not have to work either. So I'm not sure why you perceive this to be 'idealistic' - in fact I'm from the school of realism. You're the one spouting idealistic garbage: you link the 'man's role as provider' with his 'value as a marriage prospect'.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a happy relationship or marriage can be. Worse, you didn't even read my post correctly. Look below.

Trust me dude men have it harder now days. Boomers had it easy past a rough childhood. Ask any Boomer male and they will tell you they went to college and married by age 27 and partied all day srs.

My wife and I are planning kids. If we do have kids, she plans to take a solid year out of work. The plan would be to have our kids rather close together, and then she would take a lump period of time out of work. So if we have 2 kids close enough together she would take roughly 3 years out of work.

"listen bro, I'm from the mean streets of realism, son. MArriage isn't about what women evolved to find attractive in men, nah bro. It's about connection, trust and if you love each other enough, it's totally enough"

lol @ women out earning their men. Women date up, not down. They're setting themselves up for failure

Funny how a lot of men whinge about how their role as providers, protectors etc have been eroded because of the advancement of womens rights, such as women joining the workforce... and yet most of them would whine like a little bish if woman got to stay at home all day whilst the man had to work to pay for her.

Which is it?


You either wnat women working or you dont.

If you want women out of the work place (to cement yourselves as the ‘chief hunstman’ in this modern age), cool, in which case you can’t whine about woman “sitting at home on candy crush all day whilst I go out to put a roof over ours heads”.

- You also have no room to moan about mass immigration to fill up all jobs that are still going to need doing in women stopped working.

Imagine being so threatened by another person being allowed to work to provide for themself because it diminishes your perceived “role as a man”.

My wife and I are planning kids. If we do have kids, she plans to take a solid year out of work. The plan would be to have our kids rather close together, and then she would take a lump period of time out of work. So if we have 2 kids close enough together she would take roughly 3 years out of work.

And the point of my using the word 'luxury' above means - we both earn enough that doing this should be fairly easy. Part of montii's point is that property prices in many parts of the Western world are so high now that both people have to work - even if both earn a decent amount of money. They 'have to' work in part to maintain the lifestyle they grew up in.

Can you all easily afford to buy your parents' house (assuming 0 inheritance) on one salary? If so, congrats. I can't. Lots of people can't. And if you're trying to maintain a certain standard of life two salaries can help you get there faster.

lol wat

wageslaving for 8 hours a day (don't forget the ~2 hour daily commute), 5 days a week is having it "easy"?

UBI couldn't come fast enough