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Go to college, rack of $50k for STEM degree they said.


https://www.businessinsider.com/blue...nt-debt-2019-4
Blue-collar jobs like plumbing pay $90,000 without a college degree, and it's driving more workers to trade school

Blue-collar professionals such as plumbers and mechanics are earning more than the average salary for white-collar jobs — and they don't require a traditional college degree, according to a recent Bloomberg report.
While college graduates still earn more on average than their non-college-grad peers, the trend against four-year-college degrees has begun: Many of the fastest-growing professions do not require a bachelor's degree, and some do not even require a high-school diploma.
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The new six-figure job? Trade work.

Trade schools are now touting how blue-collar professionals such as plumbers, electricians, and mechanics make more money than workers whose roles require bachelor's degrees,Bloomberg reported. While the average pay of some of these occupations totals $52,000, specialized jobs, including aircraft mechanics and heavy-equipment technicians, can surpass $100,000. Bloomberg reported plumbers in Atlanta earn $90,000 in wages and commissions — a salary that's 70% higher than the region's average income.

Though college grads still earn more than their non-graduate peers, avoiding student debt could make trade schools more appealing. Many trade programs are covered in part by employers, and state-sponsored programs in Michigan and Georgia offer trade degrees tuition-free.

Read more: Apple, Google, and Netflix don't require employees to have 4-year degrees, and this could soon become an industry norm

In addition to local governments and trade schools, businesses are also acknowledging that four-year degrees may not be necessary to get a high-paying job. Prominent business leaders such as Siemens USA CEO Barbara Humpton and Apple CEO Tim Cook publicly dismissed the idea that four-year degrees guarantee career-readiness. Cook even said half of Apple's new hires in 2018 did not hold a four-year degree.

The future of work may not require a bachelor's degree to get a good job. Of the 10 occupations that are expected to see the most job growth through 2026, only one, a registered nurse, requires a college degree, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Additionally, six of these jobs — personal-care aides, restaurant waitstaff, janitors, general laborers, home health aides, and food preparers — do not require a high-school diploma.

In total, at least 64% of jobs in 2026 will require no education beyond high school, compared with 25% of jobs that will likely require a four-year degree.

"Our real education 'mismatch' may be of a sort many of us prefer not to consider — that we are educating our citizens for jobs that simply do not and will not exist," Ellen Ruppel Shell, the author of "The Job: Work and Its Future in a Time of Radical Change," wrote.

While college grads still earn more than the $932 median earnings for all workers, the trend against going to school may already be starting. In 2016, wages for those with just a high-school degree or less rose faster than any other group, according to data from the Economic Policy Institute. Young workers saddled with student debt are also fed up with the system, as nearly half of indebted millennials recently told INSIDER college was not worth the economic hassle.

"Preparing young minds is a vital exercise, one we must continue to pursue with vigor, creativity, and humility," Shell wrote. "But the insistence that more education on its own necessarily enhances earning prospects is not only wrong, it's cruel, saddling too many of us with unrealistic prospects and crippling debt."
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make 85k/year without having to clean out clogged chit from a toilet

35 hours/week

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more sick days than I can possibly use

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Originally Posted By cjmadscientist⏩
make 85k/year without having to clean out clogged chit from a toilet

35 hours/week

6 weeks vacation

more sick days than I can possibly use

I'm good here in the lab
Officel numero uno

How many years did you go to school? How much debt did you obtain? How many years after school did it take to reach $80k and at what age?

Some kid who goes into trades at 18 would be way ahead of you.
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No thanks, Jeffrey.
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
Officel numero uno

How many years did you go to school? How much debt did you obtain? How many years after school did it take to reach $80k and at what age?

Some kid who goes into trades at 18 would be way ahead of you.
4 years at a state school to get my Bachelors of Science in Biochemistry with a minor in Philosophy

walked out with 45k in debt (which is now 15k)

first two years of work I made 35k, then got a new job at 65k in year three, raise to 75 after three years, 10k raise last year


not to say trades aren't great with money making potential, but if you play your cards right in STEM, you can do pretty good too
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If I had any sort of parenting in my life, I would have chose some sort of trade over the officel life. Nobody ever told me what some trades were getting paid growing up.


I make decent money but the student loans sucked and I am not passionate about what I do at all for a career.
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post 1578199391 04-16-2019, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted By cjmadscientist⏩
4 years at a state school to get my Bachelors of Science in Biochemistry with a minor in Philosophy

walked out with 45k in debt (which is now 15k)

first two years of work I made 35k, then got a new job at 65k in year three, raise to 75 after three years, 10k raise last year


not to say trades aren't great with money making potential, but if you play your cards right in STEM, you can do pretty good too
So 11 years. Not to mention working shtty retail jobs with the occasional no paid internship. On top of that you may have to work additional hours with no pay because salary.

Meanwhile there are 22-23 year olds making upwards of $90k with no debt. That's not mentioning the ability to buy a house and car.

I'm semi trolling. Just good to see people who can't afford college make real money outside the status quo.

Originally Posted By devin45k⏩
If I had any sort of parenting in my life, I would have chose some sort of trade over the officel life. Nobody ever told me what some trades were getting paid growing up.


I make decent money but the student loans sucked and I am not passionate about what I do at all for a career.
I chose college for the girls and partying. srs. But I was smart enough to get a good degree. If I could start over I'd hit the trades at 18, then hit university at 26.
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Yeah I'd rather make more while not cleaning huge turds out of sewer pipes from obese homeowners, and not worrying about my joints giving out at 53. Made that at around 26 so maybe they'd be ahead of me at first but I'd have caught up by now and passed in a couple more years.

No student loans crew so 0 debt. Trades can be great careers, so can STEM. Too many people not cut out for STEM careers collect debt and hate life though.
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I can confirm tradie cousin in law who welds underground chitpipes makes 110K a year with OT
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
So 11 years. Not to mention working shtty retail jobs with the occasional no paid internship. On top of that you may have to work additional hours with no pay because salary.

Meanwhile there are 22-23 year olds making upwards of $90k with no debt. That's not mentioning the ability to buy a house and car.

I'm semi trolling. Just good to see people who can't afford college make real money outside the status quo.





I chose college for the girls and partying. srs. But I was smart enough to get a good degree. If I could start over I'd hit the trades at 18, then hit university at 26.
That’s prob top pay for a journeyman plumber, you aren’t making that without 10-15 years experience. Apprentices make like $13/hr.
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plumbers isnt an easy field to get a job. you basically spend your time driving to other peoples houses. hope you dont get killed. pluggin their chit. hoping one day it will be like that pornhub episode you watched where she stands over you showing eveyrthing

i get on subway work until 3 come home and get to masterbate to plumber porn so who is winning here
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
I'm semi trolling. Just good to see people who can't afford college make real money outside the status quo.

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we need good people in trade jobs, that chit is rough and they deserve to make great money
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I fixed OP's mom's plumbing. She was impressed with my plunging and pipe filling. When I left she was all wet.
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Originally Posted By cjmadscientist⏩
make 85k/year without having to clean out clogged chit from a toilet

35 hours/week

6 weeks vacation

more sick days than I can possibly use

I'm good here in the lab
since when is service plumber all encompassing of all trades? lemme know how many welders electricians carpenters masons drywallers roofers longshoreman machinists and mechanics gotta clean chit out of a toilet on the reg? yall ignant
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The one downside with trades is when you get old/hurt you pretty much become unemployable. Either have to be in the union or start your own business.
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Originally Posted By TonyNail⏩
The one downside with trades is when you get old/hurt you pretty much become unemployable. Either have to be in the union or start your own business.
This right here. I respect the fukk out of tradesmen, but I don't envy them. Good on them for making a good living working hard. My job's stressful sometimes, but it beats crawling around in an attic or a crawlspace. Fukk that.
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90k per year, but what does their work week look like? 60 hours? 70?

I make $125k per year “working” 40 hour per week, working from home half that time.

I HATE my college degree.
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I can barely stand cleaning my own toilet. No thx jeffrey
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Originally Posted By StiffSproles⏩
90k per year, but what does their work week look like? 60 hours? 70?

I make $125k per year “working” 40 hour per week, working from home half that time.

I HATE my college degree.
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Strong unaware ITT.... You guys do realize the majority of licensed plumbers don't clean out clogged $hitters on a daily basis right? New construction and remodels are the big money makers not service...
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2019 Rise of the tradies
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Originally Posted By 1slo5oh⏩
Strong unaware ITT.... You guys do realize the majority of licensed plumbers don't clean out clogged $hitters on a daily basis right? New construction and remodels are the big money makers not service...
this. Lineman is the highest paying trade if im not mistaken. some of my bros went to lineman school and all owned houses, boats, trailers, sand toys etc, by the time we were 24 or 25. brb netting 150k a year when you are in your early 20s. makes me sad i missed that train tbh.
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every year they put out these same articles where they cherry pic from niche data sets and try to make everyone think that trades are a goldmine

they are heavily dependent on location, and also unions.

If you can manage to get into a desirable union in Boston, NYC, etc you can make a ton on paper, but you need to factor in the cost of living/taxes and also that very few of the salaries you hear being tossed around are off a standard 40 hour work week.

you really make the money when you're self employed as a tradie, however that comes with all the unique issues of working for yourself.

and always remember, being a tradie is macho when you're in your 20's, wait until you get up into them 30's and the overtime and physicality of the job start getting old real fast. and remember, you make your paycheck via physical labor, if you get injured on the job, or in the gym, and you cant work, you're not getting paid

im not some cubecel sh*tting on trades, i am a tradie currently, but i've come to realize its not a good fit long term
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Originally Posted By weightsb4dates⏩
this. Lineman is the highest paying trade if im not mistaken. but of my bros went to lineman school and all owned houses, boats, trailers, sand toys etc, by the time we were 24 or 25. brb netting 150k a year when you are in your early 20s. makes me sad i missed that train tbh.
Lineman are always away from home and the work is extremely dangerous. If you want to be on the road 65% of the year and always an inch away from instant death for a low 6 figures salary, have fun m8
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and always remember, being a tradie is macho when you're in your 20's, wait until you get up into them 30's and the overtime and physicality of the job start getting old real fast.
One of the reasons the idea never appealed to me. Plus the risk of injury on the job is far greater than sitting at a desk sending e-mails, reading/writing reports and making phone calls.
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Originally Posted By weightsb4dates⏩
this. Lineman is the highest paying trade if im not mistaken. but of my bros went to lineman school and all owned houses, boats, trailers, sand toys etc, by the time we were 24 or 25. brb netting 150k a year when you are in your early 20s. makes me sad i missed that train tbh.
Around Houston its pretty well known that the International Union of Elevator Constructors (sounds ridiculous I know) bring in the highest hourly rate. Of course there will be a few instances in every trade that pays higher but in general those guys get paid pretty well. I have a few friends that are Lineman as well and they always make six figures but that's with A LOT of overtime year in and year out. Again this is around Houston , it may vary from region to region
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One of the reasons the idea never appealed to me. Plus the risk of injury on the job is far greater than sitting at a desk sending e-mails, reading/writing reports and making phone calls.
I am willing to bet your average 40yo construction worker is in better shape than 99% of office personal... besides , if you have any drive what so ever you just use a trade as a stepping stone to bigger and better things while keeping that skill in your pocket as a solid plan B if $hit hits the fan.
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Originally Posted By 1slo5oh⏩
Around Houston its pretty well known that the International Union of Elevator Constructors (sounds ridiculous I know) bring in the highest hourly rate. Of course there will be a few instances in every trade that pays higher but in general those guys get paid pretty well. I have a few friends that are Lineman as well and they always make six figures but that's with A LOT of overtime year in and year out. Again this is around Houston , it may vary from region to region
I know crane operators who make over $200k/yr, what they don't tell you is that they work 12-14 hour days for 80-90% of the year
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