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Having been through a lot is not the point. How you react to what you have been through is.
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05-11-2019, 03:09 PM
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Brb, Dany went through the world of chit and finally has scraped together what she needed to fulfill her dream. Brb arrives west, listens to her advisors and doesnt overthrow Cersei (which she should have done in retrospect since it would be less losses plus she keeps her dragons and all her friends and army. Esp since people hated Cersei). Brb listen to advisors and get rekt. Brb listen to Jon and Tyrion and lose a dragon. Brb listening to Jon again and letting him mine the glass. Brb listening to Jon again and committing her army to his cause. Brb sacrificing her life to be in the front lines and battle the NK. Brb losing all her dothraki and most of her unsullied and Jorah. Brb listening to all these dip****s again while they (esp Sansa) treat her like absolute dogchit despite everything she's sacrificed for them. Brb getting a little hurt because everyone praised Jon and not her but calmly walking out like a rational human and not going crazy. Brb losing another dragon, brb losing her best friend. Brb begging Jon for just ONE FUKING THING that shouldn't matter to him since he doesnt want the throne.
Brb getting betrayed by Jon anyways who tells the one person who hates her guts and would obviously spread the news.
Brb Tryrion: "CERSEI I KNOW THERE IS SUM GOOD IN U"
Brb Varys: "Dany is a mad queen we must betray and kill her"
Tyrion: "I'm afraid you may be right lul XD"
What a masterpiece of a show.
Brb getting betrayed by Jon anyways who tells the one person who hates her guts and would obviously spread the news.
Brb Tryrion: "CERSEI I KNOW THERE IS SUM GOOD IN U"
Brb Varys: "Dany is a mad queen we must betray and kill her"
Tyrion: "I'm afraid you may be right lul XD"
What a masterpiece of a show.
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Originally Posted By thehardg00dbye⏩
I just laid it out for you fam..Having been through a lot is not the point. How you react to what you have been through is.
Originally Posted By Coal
Brb, Dany went through the world of chit and finally has scraped together what she needed to fulfill her dream. Brb arrives west, listens to her advisors and doesnt overthrow Cersei (which she should have done in retrospect since it would be less losses plus she keeps her dragons and all her friends and army. Esp since people hated Cersei). Brb listen to advisors and get rekt. Brb listen to Jon and Tyrion and lose a dragon. Brb listening to Jon again and letting him mine the glass. Brb listening to Jon again and committing her army to his cause. Brb sacrificing her life to be in the front lines and battle the NK. Brb losing all her dothraki and most of her unsullied and Jorah. Brb listening to all these dip****s again while they (esp Sansa) treat her like absolute dogchit despite everything she's sacrificed for them. Brb getting a little hurt because everyone praised Jon and not her but calmly walking out like a rational human and not going crazy. Brb losing another dragon, brb losing her best friend. Brb begging Jon for just ONE FUKING THING that shouldn't matter to him since he doesnt want the throne.
Brb getting betrayed by Jon anyways who tells the one person who hates her guts and would obviously spread the news.
Brb Tryrion: "CERSEI I KNOW THERE IS SUM GOOD IN U"
Brb Varys: "Dany is a mad queen we must betray and kill her"
Tyrion: "I'm afraid you may be right lul XD"
What a masterpiece of a show.
Brb getting betrayed by Jon anyways who tells the one person who hates her guts and would obviously spread the news.
Brb Tryrion: "CERSEI I KNOW THERE IS SUM GOOD IN U"
Brb Varys: "Dany is a mad queen we must betray and kill her"
Tyrion: "I'm afraid you may be right lul XD"
What a masterpiece of a show.
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05-11-2019, 03:16 PM
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You went back and edited your post again? Interesting technique. Ill leave you with this and we can agree to disagree if you like. She has a short fuse and she is impulsive. These are horrible triats for someone to rule a kingdom. Especially with the firepower she had or has. I admit i have just never liked her character, so she was always at a loss for me. I guess i wish she were a little more like Brienne who I absolutely think is awesome
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05-11-2019, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
Qyburn woulda been had a solution for the night kingCersei apparently could have taken on the NK by herself so none of this fukking matters.
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Everyone as written deserves to die. I hope the fukkin crow whisperer **** birds all over everyone and pulls the moon from orbit just to push humanity to the extinction that the action of natural selection would have incurred if not for the plot condom piece of chit light lord's random and meandering meddling.
How fukking ironic. The show went from people dying than you care about, to everyone living and you not giving a chit.
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Everyone as written deserves to die. I hope the fukkin crow whisperer **** birds all over everyone and pulls the moon from orbit just to push humanity to the extinction that the action of natural selection would have incurred if not for the plot condom piece of chit light lord's random and meandering meddling.
How fukking ironic. The show went from people dying than you care about, to everyone living and you not giving a chit.
Brb dragonglass tipped balistas and archers
Brb green juice land mine field where the wight army would have come in and soldiers on top of the walls dropping fire grenades on em
Not those soft ass fire trenches
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Originally Posted By Coal
Fukking this so hard.Brb, Dany went through the world of chit and finally has scraped together what she needed to fulfill her dream. Brb arrives west, listens to her advisors and doesnt overthrow Cersei (which she should have done in retrospect since it would be less losses plus she keeps her dragons and all her friends and army. Esp since people hated Cersei). Brb listen to advisors and get rekt. Brb listen to Jon and Tyrion and lose a dragon. Brb listening to Jon again and letting him mine the glass. Brb listening to Jon again and committing her army to his cause. Brb sacrificing her life to be in the front lines and battle the NK. Brb losing all her dothraki and most of her unsullied and Jorah. Brb listening to all these dip****s again while they (esp Sansa) treat her like absolute dogchit despite everything she's sacrificed for them. Brb getting a little hurt because everyone praised Jon and not her but calmly walking out like a rational human and not going crazy. Brb losing another dragon, brb losing her best friend. Brb begging Jon for just ONE FUKING THING that shouldn't matter to him since he doesnt want the throne.
Brb getting betrayed by Jon anyways who tells the one person who hates her guts and would obviously spread the news.
Brb Tryrion: "CERSEI I KNOW THERE IS SUM GOOD IN U"
Brb Varys: "Dany is a mad queen we must betray and kill her"
Tyrion: "I'm afraid you may be right lul XD"
What a masterpiece of a show.
Brb getting betrayed by Jon anyways who tells the one person who hates her guts and would obviously spread the news.
Brb Tryrion: "CERSEI I KNOW THERE IS SUM GOOD IN U"
Brb Varys: "Dany is a mad queen we must betray and kill her"
Tyrion: "I'm afraid you may be right lul XD"
What a masterpiece of a show.
I literally couldn't stand Dany until season 8 because the writers made every motherfukker around her incompetent.
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Dany really should have listened to Olenna when she told her to be a dragon. She’d still have 3 dragons, her entire fleet, and the IT.
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
Qyburn is currently making nuclear tipped balistas.Qyburn woulda been had a solution for the night king
Brb dragonglass tipped balistas and archers
Brb green juice land mine field where the wight army would have come in and soldiers on top of the walls dropping fire grenades on em
Not those soft ass fire trenches
Brb dragonglass tipped balistas and archers
Brb green juice land mine field where the wight army would have come in and soldiers on top of the walls dropping fire grenades on em
Not those soft ass fire trenches
Dude is head of his time by a few centuries.
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Originally Posted By ohiostate124⏩
Saw a comment on youtube that summed it up nicely. The Night King was just a tool to even the scales between Dany & Cersei's army.Dany really should have listened to Olenna when she told her to be a dragon. She’d still have 3 dragons, her entire fleet, and the IT.
It's hard for me to believe this was their vision considering Bran and the Night King's plotline.
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Originally Posted By ceizer1985⏩
Qyburn is currently making nuclear tipped balistas.
Dude is head of his time by a few centuries.
Dude is head of his time by a few centuries.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
Agree completely. I’ve been saying the same since episode 3. That can’t be GRRM’s intentions. It’s got to atleast be the extremely fast forwarded version to wrap up the series.Saw a comment on youtube that summed it up nicely. The Night King was just a tool to even the scales between Dany & Cersei's army.
It's hard for me to believe this was their vision considering Bran and the Night King's plotline.
It's hard for me to believe this was their vision considering Bran and the Night King's plotline.
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Originally Posted By ohiostate124⏩
I'd like to think GRRM would have had some great input, even if the Night King isn't a thing in the books.Agree completely. I’ve been saying the same since episode 3. That can’t be GRRM’s intentions. It’s got to atleast be the extremely fast forwarded version to wrap up the series.
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Originally Posted By thehardg00dbye⏩
then have a spin-off about the war in foreign lands that grrm hasn't talked about.This is pretty much the way i wanted it to happen.
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Originally Posted By 2RDEYE⏩
How is it a cop out? The First Men destroyed the Children of The Forest and led them to create White Walkers. No one on the throne has learned anything or used their power to help humanity. They all deserve to die, except Jon. He's the only noble character on the show and was resurrected for a reason.would not like that at all lol. idk why people think it'd be cool if the night king killed everyone. would be the most cop out thing ever.
ep3 how would they retreat lmao. you can't run from a magical undead army.
i mean the way it would go down is they run to white harbour and sail to essos and that would be the end
ep3 how would they retreat lmao. you can't run from a magical undead army.
i mean the way it would go down is they run to white harbour and sail to essos and that would be the end
They could have had NK kill the majority of characters then face off with Jon, Dany, and Arya at Kings Landing.
05-11-2019, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
Why not?Saw a comment on youtube that summed it up nicely. The Night King was just a tool to even the scales between Dany & Cersei's army.
It's hard for me to believe this was their vision considering Bran and the Night King's plotline.
It's hard for me to believe this was their vision considering Bran and the Night King's plotline.
If you consider it’s a drama —that’s a valid journey arch as an excuse for the characters to do things.
Them doing things and how they do it is the point of this entertainment genre.
Once again the comic book mentality ruleset is conflicting with the theater drama mindset.
If this was a comic book it would be a crappy reasoning arc but GoT isn’t held to those standards because unlike a drama, a comic book doesn’t have true content in between the skeleton so the Skelton has to be a good one, but GoT is about the meat on it so the skeleton doesn’t matter.
Make sense?
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
doesnt make any sense, srs. If the purpose was to even the playing field between Dany and Cersei, they could have just done this:Why not?
If you consider it’s a drama —that’s a valid journey arch as an excuse for the characters to do things.
Them doing things and how they do it is the point of this entertainment genre.
Once again the comic book mentality ruleset is conflicting with the theater drama mindset.
If this was a comic book it would be a crappy reasoning arc but GoT isn’t held to those standards because unlike a drama, a comic book doesn’t have true content in between the skeleton so the Skelton has to be a good one, but GoT is about the meat on it so the skeleton doesn’t matter.
Make sense?
If you consider it’s a drama —that’s a valid journey arch as an excuse for the characters to do things.
Them doing things and how they do it is the point of this entertainment genre.
Once again the comic book mentality ruleset is conflicting with the theater drama mindset.
If this was a comic book it would be a crappy reasoning arc but GoT isn’t held to those standards because unlike a drama, a comic book doesn’t have true content in between the skeleton so the Skelton has to be a good one, but GoT is about the meat on it so the skeleton doesn’t matter.
Make sense?
-Script a smaller army for Dany when she left Essos
-Not have WW's at all
-Keep Cersei hiring the golden company after the Loot Train defeat
-Have enough time for a Season 3-tier plot with the war for the Iron Throne, with all the espionage, planning, military tactics, and drama that made the show amazing
In other words - it was a round-about way to get somewhere that they could have just established in the Season 6 finale. The WW's were a waste because they didn't even deliver on their build up.
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Originally Posted By Tanerian⏩
I'm pretty sure it's just bad writing, but for a different reason. He's gonna go back to King's Landing to kill Cersei. But the writers are trying to make it look like he's still pussy whipped by her.
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Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩
I don't think this particular case is bad writing tbh. Jaime by far has had the biggest redemption arc in the series, and it suddenly appeared it was being thrown to the wind. If he does go back to kill Cersei -- which I also agree is the most likely scenario -- it'll cement his redemption in a pretty satisfying wayI'm pretty sure it's just bad writing, but for a different reason. He's gonna go back to King's Landing to kill Cersei. But the writers are trying to make it look like he's still pussy whipped by her.
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
I never took that scene as him wanting to go back to Cersei. I think it's certain he's going to try and stop her and possibly kill her.I don't think this particular case is bad writing tbh. Jaime by far has had the biggest redemption arc in the series, and it suddenly appeared it was being thrown to the wind. If he does go back to kill Cersei -- which I also agree is the most likely scenario -- it'll cement his redemption in a pretty satisfying way
Why else would he be prompted after hearing about Cersei's victory on killing Rhaegal? He's terrified she might actually win and wants to protect what he sees are good people. Redemption accomplished.
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Originally Posted By SkinnyPhatBrah⏩
YES. Thought I was the only one that thought of him skipping town after merking everyone in Westeros and heading for Essos. Epic endingHow it should have gone:
Ep 3 - lose at Winterfell.
Ep 4 - fighting retreat down the Kings Road by the fleeing survivors
Ep 5 - Cersei realising (too late) she should have sent her troops North and allying with what survivors are left by the end of the episode
Ep 6 - NK kills everyone. Last scene is him marching towards the sea to head for Essos.
Ep 3 - lose at Winterfell.
Ep 4 - fighting retreat down the Kings Road by the fleeing survivors
Ep 5 - Cersei realising (too late) she should have sent her troops North and allying with what survivors are left by the end of the episode
Ep 6 - NK kills everyone. Last scene is him marching towards the sea to head for Essos.
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
It's bad writing because the writers aren't even giving us an ounce of doubt that that's what he's going to do. Had Brienne gotten killed during the battle for instance. Then it would show that he really had nothing to live for anymore outside of Cersei. So him going back to King's Landing would at least show some doubt in his story arc. But the writers had to just force the chick flick moment with him and Brienne.I don't think this particular case is bad writing tbh. Jaime by far has had the biggest redemption arc in the series, and it suddenly appeared it was being thrown to the wind. If he does go back to kill Cersei -- which I also agree is the most likely scenario -- it'll cement his redemption in a pretty satisfying way
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
This. I would honestly like to see his vision for an Eastern or asian culture. Maybe something like feudal Japan. He could do some cool stuff with a samuraiesque twist.then have a spin-off about the war in foreign lands that grrm hasn't talked about.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
Eh well the dialogue itself definitely suggests he's going there to defend Cersei. And that's because Daenarys -- after Rhaegal's death -- is now more inclined to raze the city with Drogon whereas previously there was still the possibility of a somewhat-more diplomatic solution. Brienne is concerned for Jaime specifically because it's now far more likely the city will now burnI never took that scene as him wanting to go back to Cersei. I think it's certain he's going to try and stop her and possibly kill her.
Why else would he be prompted after hearing about Cersei's victory on killing Rhaegal? He's terrified she might actually win and wants to protect what he sees are good people. Redemption accomplished.
Why else would he be prompted after hearing about Cersei's victory on killing Rhaegal? He's terrified she might actually win and wants to protect what he sees are good people. Redemption accomplished.
Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩
Whether or not the scene was convincing in that regard, I'd chalk it up to compressed timelines. But I wouldn't say the writing behind it is bad in concept, it's just hampered by the logistics of the Season 8 executionIt's bad writing because the writers aren't even giving us an ounce of doubt that that's what he's going to do. Had Brienne gotten killed during the battle for instance. Then it would show that he really had nothing to live for anymore outside of Cersei. So him going back to King's Landing would at least show some doubt in his story arc. But the writers had to just force the chick flick moment with him and Brienne.
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They should've made the NK the final boss. Like..
- They lose the battle at winterfell vs the NK... then
- they all have to fall back to kings landing
- Someone somehow softens Cerseis heart and she agrees to fight the NK along Jon
- Cersei dies anyway in the heat of battle
- Badass NK fight at kings landing..
This would be a bit unlikely given cerseis, but interesting nonetheless
- They lose the battle at winterfell vs the NK... then
- they all have to fall back to kings landing
- Someone somehow softens Cerseis heart and she agrees to fight the NK along Jon
- Cersei dies anyway in the heat of battle
- Badass NK fight at kings landing..
This would be a bit unlikely given cerseis, but interesting nonetheless
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
The "she's hateful....so am I" part is harder to explain. But maybe he's making some futile attempt to save her knowing that he'll fail and it will be the end of one of them.Eh well the dialogue itself definitely suggests he's going there to defend Cersei. And that's because Daenarys -- after Rhaegal's death -- is now more inclined to raze the city with Drogon whereas previously there was still the possibility of a somewhat-more diplomatic solution. Brienne is concerned for Jaime specifically because it's now far more likely the city will now burn
But the way he was told about Rhaegal made it sound like Dany was in serious trouble of losing. IDK if Jaime would reasonably suspect Dany to go Kamikaze on KL in response - he doesn't know her at all.
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Yup that would have been both the more logical and more entertaining option.They should've made the NK the final boss. Like..
- They lose the battle at winterfell vs the NK... then
- they all have to fall back to kings landing
- Someone somehow softens Cerseis heart and she agrees to fight the NK along Jon
- Cersei dies anyway in the heat of battle
- Badass NK fight at kings landing..
This would be a bit unlikely given cerseis, but interesting nonetheless
- They lose the battle at winterfell vs the NK... then
- they all have to fall back to kings landing
- Someone somehow softens Cerseis heart and she agrees to fight the NK along Jon
- Cersei dies anyway in the heat of battle
- Badass NK fight at kings landing..
This would be a bit unlikely given cerseis, but interesting nonetheless
Logically, Dany would have just annihilated KL after making it to Westeros, then the real war would begin. But I guess Jon's fear of the NK is the reason she didn't.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
True true. I got the impression that outwardly he was going to help Cersei, but I can see it from both perspectives for sure. I obviously think there has been a chitton of bad writing in these last couple D&D episodes, but that didn't immediately strike me as one of those casesThe "she's hateful....so am I" part is harder to explain. But maybe he's making some futile attempt to save her knowing that he'll fail and it will be the end of one of them.
But the way he was told about Rhaegal made it sound like Dany was in serious trouble of losing. IDK if Jaime would reasonably suspect Dany to go Kamikaze on KL in response - he doesn't know her at all.
But the way he was told about Rhaegal made it sound like Dany was in serious trouble of losing. IDK if Jaime would reasonably suspect Dany to go Kamikaze on KL in response - he doesn't know her at all.
Anyways I'm pretty interested to see how things go down tomorrow night, we'll see if there's any shred of redemption for D&D's story arc
05-11-2019, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
That is part of bad writing though. It's the writers who decided to make this the last season. It's the writers who decided to condense the season into 6 long episodes. Does anybody really believe Jaime is going back to KL to crawl back to Cersei?Whether or not the scene was convincing in that regard, I'd chalk it up to compressed timelines. But I wouldn't say the writing behind it is bad in concept, it's just hampered by the logistics of the Season 8 execution
I'll tell you how bad the writers are. Even when they do something good, they are still able to ruin it with bad decisions. We all knew that Jaime and Brienne has had a relationship that was full of sexual tension, etc. But it never had to be consummated with sex. Their relationship could have been just perceived as one where they both really loved each other, with it being consummated when Jaime knighted Brienne.
Brienne being knighted could have been her symbol of losing her virginity. I mean, Jaime used a sword to do it. That would have been a perfect way to end their relationship. But no, the writers had to add the romcom aspect of it to please the wine-drinking cat ladies who watch the show.
Brienne dying would have been more beneficial for his story arc.
05-11-2019, 06:27 PM
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