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post 1583817011 07-13-2019, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted By trufflepigg
she should be punished for sure, but man 20 years is extreme when nobody was physically hurt. You can argue this boy is mentally scarred, but I don't think so, 20 years worth for his mental anguish? Crazy...


guys there is absolutely no comparison in switching the gender roles, i thought misc was more level headed but guess we are getting infiltrated by the equality sjw's, men/women are not apples to apples when we switch the roles on this case, a man doing this is rape no matter what in my personal opinion. The texts sent from the boy prove he was lovin' it, if anything this sentencing will fu*k him up more than the "rape" he endured, he will likely blame himself in the future for ruining this woman's life(obviously that's not what occurred she is a predator and deserves jail time)
As to this argument, that 29 year old adult predator put him in that position. Also lol at putting rape in quotations. He's a 13 year old child. My God. How do you people not understand this?! Just because it wasn't forceful rape it's still rape. JFC!
Originally Posted By Frank
Why isn't it comparable to a male teacher to a female student? You think that a 13 year old female who has a sexual relationship with an older man doesn't feel like they are in a "relationship" and that she is in love with her teacher? Do you really imagine the creepy math teacher leveraging grades for blow jobs?

Both scenarios are the same. These are people in positions of authority and responsibility where it is very easy to seduce a younger person and make them feel like they are in love.

Why don't you explain why you feel its different for a male teacher?
It's absolutely the same for a male and a female. Being preyed upon by a full grown adult is being preyed upon no matter your sex. This is not a 17 year old high school student.It's a 13 year old.
Originally Posted By redraider86
Totally fine with arguing what a reasonable punishment is or isn't. Once you're arguing that children won't suffer negatively from sexual assault by a person twice their age....Well, I can't think of an innocent, misunderstood reason for such an argument. Yes, children fool around and experiment. With one another. Not with people in authority positions who are twice the age of the child. Really twisted stuff and it's astounding that we're still having this conversation.
Yes totally agree. 20 years is a pretty harsh sentence but I think it's good because it will hopefully prevent other adults from preying on children. Also agree and I had edited my original post you quoted with the same exact thoughts regarding children fooling around and experimenting with other children. Not 29 year fully grown adults in authority positions.
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post 1583817091 07-13-2019, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted By trufflepigg
she should be punished for sure, but man 20 years is extreme when nobody was physically hurt. You can argue this boy is mentally scarred, but I don't think so, 20 years worth for his mental anguish? Crazy...


guys there is absolutely no comparison in switching the gender roles, i thought misc was more level headed but guess we are getting infiltrated by the equality sjw's, men/women are not apples to apples when we switch the roles on this case, a man doing this is rape no matter what in my personal opinion. The texts sent from the boy prove he was lovin' it, if anything this sentencing will fu*k him up more than the "rape" he endured, he will likely blame himself in the future for ruining this woman's life (obviously that's not what occurred she is a predator and deserves jail time)
I’m sorry man, and I mean this in the most respectful way, but you’re a hypocrite. Let’s say for instance that the genders were reversed and a 13 year old girl was sending texts to a 29 year old man, about how she loved the sexual encounter. For you to call it ****philia in that case but not when it involves a small boy is very disingenuous.

We must also not forget the science angle. Our frontal lobes(the one responsible for judgment, decision making, knowing our place in the world, and knowing our ability to manipulate those less developed than us) doesn’t fully develop until 25. This woman, with a fully developed frontal lobe is in a completely different place in life than this kid. 13 year old kids can’t find their own ass, even if a map was given to them. They are at completely different places and developmental stages in life.

On no planet should a fully developed man/woman sleep with an underdeveloped BOY/GIRL who has barely hit puberty. A boy who can barely shave. A boy who is still eligible for Boy Scouts. A boy who can’t drive yet. A boy who still watches cartoons and participated in little league/junior league. Period end.
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post 1583817261 07-13-2019, 10:51 AM
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Good for her dead srs. Nice to see some true equality.

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You have any idea the psychological trauma having sex with a teacher at 13 does to a child? Regardless if that kid is female or male.
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post 1583817451 07-13-2019, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted By VoxExMachina
When did I say that in all cases they were willing participants? Where did I say that it was only damaging if it was forcible rape? I also never implied it shouldn't be punished, only that the term might be excessive. I don't like people putting words in my mouth, or trying to act like they know everything whereas I'm "ignorant".

What I said was that 20 years would beprobablybe too longif they were truly willing participants, and a lot of that would also be predicated on the age and situation of the people involved. Keep in mind that people are going to prison for MURDER for less than 20 years, and have the possibility of parole.

But you sound like an argumentative fuktard so I'm just going to let this statement stand and not bother replying to any more of your little strawman arguments.
I have no idea why you're even so riled up about my replies brah, lol @ negging and calling me a fuktard over this. If you're expecting me to get equally emotional and to fire back, brace yourself for disappointment


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post 1583817501 07-13-2019, 10:56 AM
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Dam 20 years, there goes her life, must be making an example out of her... Also lol husband must be on that micro peen time for her to be turning to 13 year olds to satisfy her.
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post 1583817511 07-13-2019, 10:56 AM
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Arizona is strict as hell with their stat rape laws. Even I knew that when I was 20 years old and went on vacation there.
post 1583817591 07-13-2019, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted By LeoThedude
Dam 20 years, there goes her life, must be making an example out of her... Also lol husband must be on that micro peen time for her to be turning to 13 year olds to satisfy her.
Not trying to pin point on you, but don't feel like going back and finding all of the other similar statements regarding the husband and how it's his fault she was having sex with a 13 year old. Ped0philes are sick in the head people. It has nothing to do with anyone else. Their husband/wives don't cause them to be attracted to children, it's a mental sickness.
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Developmentally it's even more severe than if it was a girl, because girls enter puberty earlier and complete faster. She should get a more severe sentence.
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post 1583817811 07-13-2019, 11:03 AM
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some spiteful ass miscers, I'll be real this 13 year old had sexual relations with a women hotter than any of the phat sloots I've gotten with. He is a pimp and a playah. Also at 13 is when I started to notice women and wanted to bone, I remember chicks started sprouting BAZOOKAS , hnnnnng. I remember 13 like it was yesterday and it's not as young as everyones making it out to be.
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post 1583817971 07-13-2019, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted By Frank
That logic is basically like saying its ok to steal from someone rich, because it doesn't really affect their lifestyle.
Well not really. But you actually make a great point. The act is still bad and should be punished. But how it affects the victim should be factored when deciding the punishment. It *is* worse to steal a poor man’s last bit of food than it is to steal from a rich person who won’t notice (even though both actions are wrong).

On a side note, you all should think about things for 60 seconds at least before forming such strong opinions — preferably for years. But I know most of you think about things for less than one second.
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Originally Posted By Imaneya
This. Bunch of dishonest ******* fuks acting as if she's the devil.

This is in no way comparable to a male teacher vs a female student. That 13 year old horndog enjoyed that chit, and is probably upset that he doesn't get to keep hitting it.

She's fuking stupid and wreckless, but does not deserve anything more than 5 years.
I bet if she was 3/10 fat slob you wouldn't give a chit if it was 40 years to life.

Same miscers like you are shocked when women are favored in court.

Equal sentences should be common. Stop with the bullchit double standard society we live in.
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Originally Posted By Legz422
Not trying to pin point on you, but don't feel like going back and finding all of the other similar statements regarding the husband and how it's his fault she was having sex with a 13 year old. Ped0philes are sick in the head people. It has nothing to do with anyone else. Their husband/wives don't cause them to be attracted to children, it's a mental sickness.
Not saying it was all on the husband, says something about him to stand by her still though... Like you said some people are just sick in the head, not even gonna try to understand the mentality that causes people to be attracted to middle schoolers. Either way she's paying the price now with basically her whole life down the drown.
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Originally Posted By lightsarefallin
Good for her dead srs. Nice to see some true equality.

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You have any idea the psychological trauma having sex with a teacher at 13 does to a child? Regardless if that kid is female or male.
I would be very interested to hear from the boys in older cases who had sex with their hot teachers at the age of 13-15 years old, and hear from them when they are 21+ and see if they feel like it traumatized them, if they are upset about being preyed upon. Or if they are 100% mentally okay with what happened and still look back at the sex fondly.
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Originally Posted By LeoThedude
Not saying it was all on the husband, says something about him to stand by her still though... Like you said some people are just sick in the head, not even gonna try to understand the mentality that causes people to be attracted to middle schoolers. Either way she's paying the price now with basically her whole life down the drown.
Oh, I'm in total agreement that it's unbelievable he stood behind her knowing she's guilty. That's insane. But she is mentally ill so it's not on him that she actually preyed upon and had sex with a child. He could be a 10/10 Chad with a horse dik and that wouldn't stop her. Ped0's are gonna ped0.
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Originally Posted By Contribution05
I would be very interested to hear from the boys in older cases who had sex with their hot teachers at the age of 13-15 years old, and hear from them when they are 21+ and see if they feel like it traumatized them, if they are upset about being preyed upon. Or if they are 100% mentally okay with what happened and still look back at the sex fondly.
I just listened to a podcast about teachers molesting students at a school in ontario. Long story short there was a young female who had an affair with an older teacher. He started grooming her around age 13, making her feel special and becoming a father figure in many ways. From age 15 to when she graduated they had a sexual affair, it basically ended when she moved away. When she looked back on it she viewed it similarly to how one would view a high school relationship. She ended up confessing this affair to her boyfriend, with the disclaimer "he's not a creep or anything". Her boyfriend had to explain to her what kind of person her HS teacher really was. (the kind that grooms 13year olds into being future sex partners)

Just because something feels normal, doesn't mean it is. Just because your actions don't have a severe emotional impact on the victim (your opinion, not mine) doesn't mean that your actions are any less reprehensible.
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Originally Posted By Frank
Why isn't it comparable to a male teacher to a female student? You think that a 13 year old female who has a sexual relationship with an older man doesn't feel like they are in a "relationship" and that she is in love with her teacher? Do you really imagine the creepy math teacher leveraging grades for blow jobs?

Both scenarios are the same. These are people in positions of authority and responsibility where it is very easy to seduce a younger person and make them feel like they are in love.

Why don't you explain why you feel its different for a male teacher?
The problem is that both are treated binarily. The 'it's the law and that's that' argument is the best we can come up with, and it doesn't reflect the damage caused.

A 30 year old male teacher seducing a 13 year old girl is creepy as fuk. There's a physical and emotional aspect to it, where the girl is much more vulnerable than a 13 year horndog boy. I may be wrong, but for a 13 year old girl, it's more likely to be a 'love' or emotional thing. Where as for a boy, it's likely purely physical, and if chit hits the fan he can just tell the teacher to get fuked.

The consequences for the 2 are completely different, both in terms of internal mental impact and external societal treatment.

Can't believe I have to explain this chit. I get that people don't want teachers banging kids, and that it should be punished. But, that boy is in no way negatively affected, apart from having to deal with all the legal/media fallout as a result of this coming out.
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Originally Posted By Imaneya
The problem is that both are treated binarily. The 'it's the law and that's that' argument is the best we can come up with, and it doesn't reflect the damage caused.

A 30 year old male teacher seducing a 13 year old girl is creepy as fuk. There's a physical and emotional aspect to it, where the girl is much more vulnerable in than a 13 year horndog boy. I may be wrong, but for a 13 year old girl, it's more likely to be a 'love' or emotional thing. Where as for a boy, it's likely purely physical, and if chit hits the fan he can tell the teacher to get fuked.

The consequences for the 2 are completely different, both in terms of internal mental impact and external societal treatment.

Can't believe I have to explain this chit. I get that people don't want teachers banging kids, and that it should be punished. But, that boy is in no way negatively affected, apart from having to deal with all the legal/media fallout as a result of this coming out.
You don't think that 13 year old boy felt the emotional connection to his teacher? Did you ever experience first love and the pain that is associated when it ends?
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Just for sake of argument, gonna argue how one is worse than the other in specific terms... those terms arehow it effects the victim., that's what I'm going to argue for here. Not arguing that the punishment shouldn't be the same.

Example -
#1. a guy getting raped by another guy.
#2. a girl getting raped by a guy.

Both horrible, disgusting, etc, no need to virtue signal that rape is bad. But can you agree that example #1, on average, will have a much worse effect on the victim than #2? You should be able to, even if one is a 9.998/10 on the bad scale, and one is 9.999/10 on the bad scale... you can determine that one bad thing is worse than another bad thing.

To drive this point home, you surely can agree that a male teacher doing 'that' to a boy student is far worse than any other combination on average, even if ALL combinations are wrong? To say that a female teacher doing 'that' to a male student is equally as harmful to the male student is ludicrous.

Again, not saying any of these cases aren't bad. Just saying how one thing is worse than another very bad thing. Because some people are acting like things are equally harmful, when that's not true. 1,000,000 is a really big number, 10,000,000 is even bigger. Are they both equally big because they're both big?

Just pointing out that 1 isn't 2, and 2 isn't 3. Not saying 1, 2, and 3 aren't all *******s.
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good. about time they got the equal treatment they wanted.

Couple more of these convictions and you will see a screeching halt in these crimes. yes, it is a crime.

up until now there has hardly been any repercussions for this stuff.
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential
Just for sake of argument, gonna argue how one is worse than the other in specific terms... those terms arehow it effects the victim., that's what I'm going to argue for here. Not arguing that the punishment shouldn't be the same.

Example -
#1. a guy getting raped by another guy.
#2. a girl getting raped by a guy.

Both horrible, disgusting, etc, no need to virtue signal that rape is bad. But can you agree that example #1, on average, will have a much worse effect on the victim than #2? You should be able to, even if one is a 9.998/10 on the bad scale, and one is 9.999/10 on the bad scale... you can determine that one bad thing is worse than another bad thing.

To drive this point home, you surely can agree that a male teacher doing 'that' to a boy student is far worse than any other combination on average, even if ALL combinations are wrong? To say that a female teacher doing 'that' to a male student is equally as harmful to the male student is ludicrous.

Again, not saying any of these cases aren't bad. Just saying how one thing is worse than another very bad thing. Because some people are acting like things are equally harmful, when that's not true. 1,000,000 is a really big number, 10,000,000 is even bigger. Are they both equally big because they're both big?

Just pointing out that 1 isn't 2, and 2 isn't 3. Not saying 1, 2, and 3 aren't all *******s.
Yeah I understand what you are saying, and I think it should be taken into account. This lady was a predator and a pervert in this case.
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it will be appealed. She isnt going for 20 years
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Originally Posted By Destor
I have no idea why you're even so riled up about my replies brah, lol @ negging and calling me a fuktard over this. If you're expecting me to get equally emotional and to fire back, brace yourself for disappointment


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Why are you saying that in all cases of sex with a minor, even if there is only a 2 year age difference, they should be put to death and their entire family locked up?


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Idk how I feel about this. Gender reversal and I think we all agree that it's completely fuked, maybe deserving of a 20 year sentence. There's just something different about it being a 13 year old horny boy and female teacher. I don't really know how to describe it. Maybe it has something to do with the power dynamic when it comes to sex? The only thing I can think of is that it has something to do with the physical act of penetration and the power that it represents in our society. Fuk if I know.
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Originally Posted By NillaWafer
Idk how I feel about this. Gender reversal and I think we all agree that it's completely fuked, maybe deserving of a 20 year sentence. There's just something different about it being a 13 year old horny boy and female teacher. I don't really know how to describe it. Maybe it has something to do with the power dynamic when it comes to sex? The only thing I can think of is that it has something to do with the physical act of penetration and the power that it represents in our society. Fuk if I know.
It's all relative to how it will impact someone's life. For example -

Example #1. A guy loses a fight in a bar, and humiliated, he lives in a small town. Was a busy night, everyone see's him lose the fight, and get humiliated by the guy who won the fight.
Example #2. A girl loses a fight in a bar, and humiliated, she lives in a small town. Was a busy night, everyone see's her lose the fight, and get humiliated by the girl who won the fight.

Anyone can see that example #1 will effect that guys standing in society, and how members in that society now view that person, and his reputation, etc, way more than it will effect the girl in example #2.

This equality thing is messing with peoples heads, and ability to think logically. In their minds bad = bad, and all bad is equally bad. It's just insanity. Is all good equally good too? What is this.
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Originally Posted By lightsarefallin
Good for her dead srs. Nice to see some true equality.

"I'm a good person I'm not a harm to society."

You have any idea the psychological trauma having sex with a teacher at 13 does to a child? Regardless if that kid is female or male.
I was bangin' a 19 year old college girl when I was 13. I wasn't traumatized. Weird.
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential
It's all relative to how it will impact someone's life. For example -

Example #1. A guy loses a fight in a bar, and humiliated, he lives in a small town. Was a busy night, everyone see's him lose the fight, and get humiliated by the guy who won the fight.
Example #2. A girl loses a fight in a bar, and humiliated, she lives in a small town. Was a busy night, everyone see's her lose the fight, and get humiliated by the girl who won the fight.

Anyone can see that example #1 will effect that guys standing in society, and how members in that society now view that person, and his reputation, etc, way more than it will effect the girl in example #2.

This equality thing is messing with peoples heads, and ability to think logically. In their minds bad = bad, and all bad is equally bad. It's just insanity. Is all good equally good too? What is this.
Good example srs.
post 1583822081 07-13-2019, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted By jafomofo
I was bangin' a 19 year old college girl when I was 13. I wasn't traumatized. Weird.
That's not the same thing as a 29 year old that is in a position of authority over a 13 year old. She was still wrong and ugh that's groce AF! She was an adult sexually attracted to a child. That's not normal.
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post 1583822191 07-13-2019, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted By Frank
Good example srs.
Another -
Jane is 22, she bangs her neighbours dad.
James is 22, he bangs his neighbours mom.

People will now call Jane a slut.
People will now call James a stud.

But the outcomes are equal? I don't even.
Fak U say? Cheeky kent ya, i'll fakin fak ya, ya lil sloot
post 1583822351 07-13-2019, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential
Another -
Jane is 22, she bangs her neighbours dad.
James is 22, he bangs his neighbours mom.

People will now call Jane a slut.
People will now call James a stud.

But the outcomes are equal? I don't even.
I understand your examples, but you can not compare them to this case. A 13 year old child is a 13 year old child no matter their sex. You can't justify it away.
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