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post 1583919591 07-15-2019, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa
A realist isn’t someone that never sees things positively or with some optimism or hope. .
Sometimes reality is positive, or gives you legitimate reasons for optimism and hope. So thats totally fine

But sometimes it doesnt. Just live in reality. how many times do I have to say it.

if you can take an objective look at your life and see positive things ahead and reasons to believe in whatever you want to believe in, absolutely thats fine.

what I'm arguing against is blind dogmatic cult of positivity or whatever that isnt justified in reality.
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa
Your reality is also that you work out once every 8 days and think you’re a freak yet your body hasn’t changed in literally 10 years.
Well it doesn't help me irl I'd rather be lean and have a lean face than be bloated and strong. Plus my cortisol levels are lower the less I lift.
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Here's the book I referenced earlier, good read for anyone ITT

https://www.amazon.com/Bright-sided-.../dp/0312658850

"Americans are a "positive" people -- cheerful, optimistic, and upbeat: This is our reputation as well as our self-image. But more than a temperament, being positive is the key to getting success and prosperity. Or so we are told.

In this utterly original debunking, Barbara Ehrenreich confronts the false promises of positive thinking and shows its reach into every corner of American life, from Evangelical megachurches to the medical establishment, and, worst of all, to the business community, where the refusal to consider negative outcomes--like mortgage defaults--contributed directly to the current economic disaster. With the myth-busting powers for which she is acclaimed, Ehrenreich exposes the downside of positive thinking: personal self-blame and national denial. This is Ehrenreich at her provocative best--poking holes in conventional wisdom and faux science and ending with a call for existential clarity and courage."
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
how many times do I have to say it.
I said, "keep saying it and it'll come true." so just keep saying it.
Originally Posted By eod8989
Well it doesn't help me irl I'd rather be lean and have a lean face than be bloated and strong. Plus my cortisol levels are lower the less I lift.
You can be strong and lean but that's just another piece of your long list of excuses. No need to get into that again as I think everyone is aware of that now.
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post 1583920121 07-15-2019, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa
I said, "keep saying it and it'll come true." so just keep saying it.
What I'm saying is true, which is why instead of refuting it you say bullchit like this. I literally agreed with you in my last post
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
What I'm saying is true, which is why instead of refuting it you say bullchit like this. I literally agreed with you in my last post
Yes I know you agreed with me...thank you.

The issue is I cannot be strong-armed into taking your belief system.
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post 1583926801 07-15-2019, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa
Yes I know you agreed with me...thank you.

The issue is I cannot be strong-armed into taking your belief system.
.....so you dont agree with yourself..... putting you on ignore.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
putting you on ignore.
Translation: I lost an argument I was trying so hard to win. Maybe I should have been more positive.
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I can't be bothered to go through 7 pages of this.

But long story short; you ultimately have the power to affectmostof the goings-on in your life. Maybe not all, but most, or the larger majority.

If you could put in a little extra effort to increase your satisfaction in life by 10%, why wouldn't you?

Like, let's say you're obese, woefully ugly, make $7.25 an hour, have no savings, and don't get laid...

Wouldn't you swap that for being in-shape, making $25 an hour, with 20K in savings (all else remaining the same, ie; still kinda ugly)?

I genuinely don't know about you, but if I could check off 4 or 5 extra boxes and be slightly more satisfied with life... well, I'd do it.
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Originally Posted By TypeNirvash
I can't be bothered to go through 7 pages of this.

But long story short; you ultimately have the power to affectmostof the goings-on in your life. Maybe not all, but most, or the larger majority.

If you could put in a little extra effort to increase your satisfaction in life by 10%, why wouldn't you?

Like, let's say you're obese, woefully ugly, make $7.25 an hour, have no savings, and don't get laid...

Wouldn't you swap that for being in-shape, making $25 an hour, with 20K in savings (all else remaining the same, ie; still kinda ugly)?

I genuinely don't know about you, but if I could check off 4 or 5 extra boxes and be slightly more satisfied with life... well, I'd do it.
Careful with the logic, it doesn't translate well when the narrative that life is not fair is on the line.
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Take a trip then tell me the mind and your mindset doesn't matter. Just LMFAO
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa
Careful with the logic, it doesn't translate well when the narrative that life is not fair is on the line.
I mean,life isn't fair.

But fairness hasn't ever been the name of the game. As a society, certainly, we have made attempts to bring the odds onto a more level playing field.

Some people start at the top, and never have to deal with pleeb problems. I mean, just today some brah posted a thread about how he's making 130K and living paycheck to paycheck (and that's more than 3x what I make). Brah spends about what I make on frivolous expenses.

I'll have to work for years before I get there.

But I can get there eventually.

So yeah, life isn't fair.

But that doesn't mean you can't work at it. And yeah, sometimes your luck will be chit.

But doing nothing won't help your situation get any better.

But lmao @ anyone saying to just lay down and rot, man
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Take a trip then tell me the mind and your mindset doesn't matter. Just LMFAO
On the real, my mind did change after my first trip
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Originally Posted By DesiredUser****
Take a trip then tell me the mind and your mindset doesn't matter. Just LMFAO
This.
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Originally Posted By TypeNirvash
I mean,life isn't fair.

But fairness hasn't ever been the name of the game. As a society, certainly, we have made attempts to bring the odds onto a more level playing field.

Some people start at the top, and never have to deal with pleeb problems. I mean, just today some brah posted a thread about how he's making 130K and living paycheck to paycheck (and that's more than 3x what I make). Brah spends about what I make on frivolous expenses.

I'll have to work for years before I get there.

But I can get there eventually.

So yeah, life isn't fair.

But that doesn't mean you can't work at it. And yeah, sometimes your luck will be chit.

But doing nothing won't help your situation get any better.

But lmao @ anyone saying to just lay down and rot, man


On the real, my mind did change after my first trip
We 100% agree, it isn't fair and I don't think anyone with their salt wouldn't want it fair. Struggle builds character and I can almost immediately tell by the way a person acts if they have faced struggle or life was easy.

I saw that thread about the $130k thing. I know a guy locally that makes $300k and he is living like that kid. Dude has a $1400 car payment for 96 months on a $90k car...just brain dead. Smart enough to make the money but too stupid to keep it.

Many know the story about my ex-wife cheating blah blah blah. Well, One of the guys she fuked with was 6'3", good looking, jacked, full head of hair in his 30's and a good job...he hung himself last Thursday. I don't know his struggle and its fukin awful he's dead. This guy had literally everything some of these people want...height, money, looks, aesthetics and took his own life after a fight with his wife. Tell me his mindset had nothing to do with his overall view on life...
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Originally Posted By eod8989
Sorry but I dont believe dudes are meeting 8s and 9s outside of supermarkets. This just isn't the reality I live in. Some people dont want to cold approach either. It's a literal meme that was popular back in like 2010-2011 and doesn't work.
I believe the exact opposite. There are way more hot girls out and about during the day, than in any confined place like a bar/club. Unless you're saying 8s and 9s don't leave the house?

You have to interact with women to get them, cold approach is just one of many routes. You're basically bitching and whining about getting 0 reward for 0 effort.
Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
being a 6/10 and getting women is not some great feat. If you looked like jar jar binks and was slaying models, come talk to me.

average white guys getting regular poon is not some difficult accomplishment. all you have to do is show up and put in the numbers game
I'm not white. I'm bald, 5'9, and Middle Eastern - I get mistaken for Mediterranean sometimes, but I'm still an ethnic. I'd say looks wise, I stand at the lower end of the sexual dating market in the western world. If I was white or even black, I'd be drowning in poon with what I've learnt.

Also, who looks like jar jar bings?? And why do you need to slay models? This extreme mentality is part of the issue with a lot of incels.

With some work, most men are capable of achieving the 6-8/10 range in looks. If they manage to develop some semi decent social skills, they can usually get laid with girls within a 2 point range. So a 5 who puts himself out there, and can hold a conversation, has a shot at 7s.

Granted, if you're a negative, 5'4 beta male, with no concept of social interactions, then your best hope is a fat wildebeest several points below you in attractiveness. This is why the OP is wrong, because a positive mindset can help MOST people better their situations, whereas a negative mindset is almost always a detriment.

Yes, some people are born deformed and will never develop social skills, thus will never compete in the dating market barring some miracle. But that's not most incels.
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Originally Posted By eod8989
Hey man I'm going to do some cold approaches with a good mindset and post in that cold approach thread.....oh wait that doesn't work irl as you can see how that thread turned out.
Wow man you are a fckn sad sack of sht. I really don’t want to imagine that anyone is beyond help but if there’s one person in this forum that could have that title it’s you.

Cold approach thread isn’t dead just on pauseI’ve had some wins lately but nothing worth posting
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
Ok, well I had a gf before and had sex, and I have an ivy league degree from a top 3 school you dumb *******. there, now do you respect my worldview?
If this is true, you are 1000x more pathetic than I initially believed. You are an empty suit.

No, I do not respect your worldview because your education gives you skills and opportunities only available to an elite group of people, and you haven’t managed to harness that wealth of knowledge and connections for your benefit - I absolutely pity you, and wish you could understand your own potential and unleash you from yourself to attain a life that makes you truly happy.

The guy who can’t get girls calling me a *******. That’s rich.
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Lol at most illogical thread of the year.

Didn't read through thread but title in itself is a a huge contradiction.

OP, you realize that whatever it is you're arguing is a mindset in and of itself right? So you're basically saying "Guise mindset doesn't matter. Listen to me guise. Adopt my mindset instead though cause it's better. Even though i just said that mindset doesnt matter, and thus whatever bs im saying wouldnt matter either herp derp"

Pls go.

You ARE your mind. It logically follows that your mindset defines who you are. To argue against this is asinine.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
In your theoretical asking 100 girls out, and rejected by every single one of them, there is only one common factor...

You.

The fact that you call it "cold approach" is a very good indicator of that.
Yeah it's you.
You're simply unattractive!
That's it plain and simple. Looks are everything in today's dating. There's no amount of positive thinking that will change you from a 4 to a 7. No muscles won't do it. You can try to looksmax as possible, but for most people the improvement are marginal.
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Originally Posted By Imaneya
I believe the exact opposite. There are way more hot girls out and about during the day, than in any confined place like a bar/club. Unless you're saying 8s and 9s don't leave the house?

You have to interact with women to get them, cold approach is just one of many routes. You're basically bitching and whining about getting 0 reward for 0 effort.



I'm not white. I'm bald, 5'9, and Middle Eastern - I get mistaken for Mediterranean sometimes, but I'm still an ethnic. I'd say looks wise, I stand at the lower end of the sexual dating market in the western world. If I was white or even black, I'd be drowning in poon with what I've learnt.

Also, who looks like jar jar bings?? And why do you need to slay models? This extreme mentality is part of the issue with a lot of incels.

With some work, most men are capable of achieving the 6-8/10 range in looks. If they manage to develop some semi decent social skills, they can usually get laid with girls within a 2 point range. So a 5 who puts himself out there, and can hold a conversation, has a shot at 7s.

Granted, if you're a negative, 5'4 beta male, with no concept of social interactions, then your best hope is a fat wildebeest several points below you in attractiveness. This is why the OP is wrong, because a positive mindset can help MOST people better their situations, whereas a negative mindset is almost always a detriment.

Yes, some people are born deformed and will never develop social skills, thus will never compete in the dating market barring some miracle. But that's not most incels.
If you are banging all these chicks you're pretending to bang, it's very likely that you have an attractive face. Middle eastern look Mediterranean, and most women will assume you're Italian,Greek or Portuguese. Anyways just to go back to the lottery analogy, it's not impossible. It's just highly improbable. It is most likely due to pure chance. or you're just blind to your own looks and the advantage of looking white like.
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Originally Posted By fcnz32
Lol at most illogical thread of the year.

Didn't read through thread but title in itself is a a huge contradiction.

OP, you realize that whatever it is you're arguing is a mindset in and of itself right? So you're basically saying "Guise mindset doesn't matter. Listen to me guise. Adopt my mindset instead though cause it's better. Even though i just said that mindset doesnt matter, and thus whatever bs im saying wouldnt matter either herp derp"

Pls go.

You ARE your mind. It logically follows that your mindset defines who you are. To argue against this is asinine.
If you read the paragraphs I wrote maybe you could understand what I am saying. You except to understand with the title alone ?
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Originally Posted By Basiliskboy
Wow man you are a fckn sad sack of sht. I really don’t want to imagine that anyone is beyond help but if there’s one person in this forum that could have that title it’s you.

Cold approach thread isn’t dead just on pauseI’ve had some wins lately but nothing worth posting
Bro you're the biggest copper in this thread, and I highly admire you for this skill. You know damn right that you won't have much success cold approaching in North America because you're short and black. It's great that you were able to develop a mindset that will help you feel good about yourself, but that mindset is not going to affect your success rate with women.
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Originally Posted By ssilv
This.
Speaking of, I'm due for another one. Haven't taken off work in about 9 months
Read what I wrote before. It seems like you guys are just reading the title.
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Originally Posted By nnodcvcker
Bro you're the biggest copper in this thread, and I highly admire you for this skill. You know damn right that you won't have much success cold approaching in North America because you're short and black. It's great that you were able to develop a mindset that will help you feel good about yourself, but that mindset is not going to affect your success rate with women.
The fact that so much value is put on something so valueless is amazing. These girls you guys want to cold approach, with all the effort it takes to do so and such a low success rate FOR ANYONE to do that...you still don't know a thing about her. Are you going to marry a cold approach? What's the point? Validation?
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa
We 100% agree, it isn't fair and I don't think anyone with their salt wouldn't want it fair. Struggle builds character and I can almost immediately tell by the way a person acts if they have faced struggle or life was easy.

I saw that thread about the $130k thing. I know a guy locally that makes $300k and he is living like that kid. Dude has a $1400 car payment for 96 months on a $90k car...just brain dead. Smart enough to make the money but too stupid to keep it.

Many know the story about my ex-wife cheating blah blah blah. Well, One of the guys she fuked with was 6'3", good looking, jacked, full head of hair in his 30's and a good job...he hung himself last Thursday. I don't know his struggle and its fukin awful he's dead. This guy had literally everything some of these people want...height, money, looks, aesthetics and took his own life after a fight with his wife. Tell me his mindset had nothing to do with his overall view on life...
Yeah, the struggle helps you become better. It's one of the most important things in life--handling struggle. Sure, I'd like life on easy-mode, but eventually you'd become disillusioned. Life wouldn't be as meaningful.

I genuinely didn't know any of that about you, Bobby. But damn that sucks, and also that sucks even harder that he killed himself. We can't know what he was going through, but the mind is a whacky thing.

... The fact that the brah thought that death was the only way to escape is legitimately a testament to the fact thatmentality is almost everything.
Originally Posted By nnodcvcker
Bro you're the biggest copper in this thread, and I highly admire you for this skill. You know damn right that you won't have much success cold approaching in North America because you're short and black. It's great that you were able to develop a mindset that will help you feel good about yourself, but that mindset is not going to affect your success rate with women.
So wait, you're telling me thatno successis better thansome success?

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Originally Posted By TypeNirvash
I mean,life isn't fair.

But fairness hasn't ever been the name of the game. As a society, certainly, we have made attempts to bring the odds onto a more level playing field.

Some people start at the top, and never have to deal with pleeb problems. I mean, just today some brah posted a thread about how he's making 130K and living paycheck to paycheck (and that's more than 3x what I make). Brah spends about what I make on frivolous expenses.

I'll have to work for years before I get there.

But I can get there eventually.

So yeah, life isn't fair.

But that doesn't mean you can't work at it. And yeah, sometimes your luck will be chit.

But doing nothing won't help your situation get any better.

But lmao @ anyone saying to just lay down and rot, man


On the real, my mind did change after my first trip
Again I never said to down and rot.
Why can't you just read what I wrote previously.
The argument here is that your mindset is not the determining factor in succeeding in competitive endeavors. Everyone in the Olympics has a winning mindset, but only one person gets the gold medal.
The argument here is not self acceptance or happiness.
I never said to do nothing. I'm advocating for taking calculated risks without being overly optimistic like most Americans are brainwashed to be.
Even if all of were to set your minds to becoming CEO of a top fortune 500 companies, 99% of you won't make it because you lack the connections, the family history, and the smartness.
You're delusional if you think the contrary.
A top woman boxer can have whatever mindset she wants, she will not beat Tyson fury or Wilfred Dontay.
Most of you won't be millionaires inspite of your efforts.
Most of you will not experience upwards socioeconomic mobility . It's just numbers. I would bet all the money I have on it.
Nobody at the Olympics or the NBA is training to lose, but most of them lose in spite of their mindset.
This is the argument
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Read what I wrote before. It seems like you guys are just reading the title.
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lol what a chit and cancer thread.
also this ^
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Originally Posted By TypeNirvash
Yeah, the struggle helps you become better. It's one of the most important things in life--handling struggle. Sure, I'd like life on easy-mode, but eventually you'd become disillusioned. Life wouldn't be as meaningful.

I genuinely didn't know any of that about you, Bobby. But damn that sucks, and also that sucks even harder that he killed himself. We can't know what he was going through, but the mind is a whacky thing.

... The fact that the brah thought that death was the only way to escape is legitimately a testament to the fact thatmentality is almost everything.


So wait, you're telling me thatno successis better thansome success?

Strong
2 words opportunity cost
Use math instead of your feelings!
The time he would have wasted approaching women and getting very minimal success could have been spent doing something else that would be more beneficial. It's a simple economic concept.
I could just go gamble in Las Vegas because I could get some success. I won't even mention the negative effects of constant rejection on his self esteem.
I don't even wanna go into how retarded cold approach is.
Most people successful with cold approach ( i.e Good looking guys) are not cold approaching. They are doing hot approaches because the girls are attracted to them and send them signals showing they want to be approached.
Why are people so out of touch with reality?
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