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1) Just LOL if you think AI will replace psychiatrists. You're trying to tell me a guy with paranoid schizophrenia will agree to talk to a computer to allow it to diagnose him?
2) Patient advocacy groups will never allow AI to make ethical decisions (stopping treatment,...).
3) As for technical procedures: the jobs might change, but using AI effectively in a doctor/patient relationship will just require a new/different skillset.
4) These robots are extremely expensive. Healthcare will not get cheaper because of AI, it will get more expensive.
2) Patient advocacy groups will never allow AI to make ethical decisions (stopping treatment,...).
3) As for technical procedures: the jobs might change, but using AI effectively in a doctor/patient relationship will just require a new/different skillset.
4) These robots are extremely expensive. Healthcare will not get cheaper because of AI, it will get more expensive.
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The algorithms to replace doctors will simply just be more complicated is all
01-28-2020, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
First thing to come up when you type ECG / EKG machine learning:Lol show me an EKG reading AI first or an AI that can suture a wound. You guys can't even automate the most routine daily things at any level let alone implement it across the country. It's like trying going from a 1990s Corolla to a self driving car overnight.
FYI we've had computers reading EKGs for decades. I brought this point up like 6 years ago when miscers said "herp derp AI." We still read our own EKGs. And everyone is still doing their own suturing. And you want to tell me that your AI is going to read a cardiac MRI and implement a treatment plan for a patient with HOCM? Or manage my transplant patient who is septic?
You can experiment all you want. We've experimented with all sorts of medical automation even back in the 2000s. None even made it to one hospital let alone across the country.
FYI we've had computers reading EKGs for decades. I brought this point up like 6 years ago when miscers said "herp derp AI." We still read our own EKGs. And everyone is still doing their own suturing. And you want to tell me that your AI is going to read a cardiac MRI and implement a treatment plan for a patient with HOCM? Or manage my transplant patient who is septic?
You can experiment all you want. We've experimented with all sorts of medical automation even back in the 2000s. None even made it to one hospital let alone across the country.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...019.00103/full
I also know first hand that they use robotics and very new software in hospitals near us to do heart surgery. Off the top of my head i think it's robotic assisted abolation atrial fibrillation or something like that. The results show for themselves, at the moment the surgery takes a few weeks to recover from when done by opening the chest. When they do the same surgery using the robot they can do it through keyhole surgery which takes a little longer to complete, however the patient can be home within 24 hours of the heart surgery.
I mean you just dont have any clue about ML/Deep learning/Artificial intelligence/engineering. This is understandable that you wouldn't know what is capable. However, it's quite scary that as a doctor (that you claim to be) you are so ignorant to the advancements in your field. You'd think with such a high priority job you'd at least go with the curve and follow the latest trends in science and technology in order to ensure you're up to date on the latest things in your field.
It's a shame you're so ignorant because somebody might miss out being your patient because you refuse to learn and go with the research.
No you aren't going to have an 'AI Robot' whatever that means or looks like, you will however have your job augmented by AI algorithms and other software to make it much more proficient meaning faster diagnosis/surgery/recovery etc. So overall less doctors would be needed because there would be less hands on work.
I'm currently working within AI research for dementia patients so i know a lot about the subject, if you'd like to actually learn rather than being ignorant send over a pm i'd be happy to give my point of view on things.
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
I'd argue the opposite. Humans have a inferiority complex. Hence the need to imagine all this superhuman AI coming around in the next few years. Also, most people don't lead exciting lives. So fantasizing about this stuff makes the future more exciting.We like to believe that humans have some intangible ability to innovate or imagine or whatever you want to call it, bestowed upon us by our consciousness. I'm not so sure -- feed the same amount data into software and I don't see why AI wouldn't be able to achieve the same thing
Originally Posted By Exiled93⏩
This.It is my expert opinion that everyone has over estimated the use of AI. Self driving trucks probably won't be used for another 20-30 years. Not the 5 like some say. They can barely get the self checkouts at walmart to work without saying "please remove the last bagged item" every 2 minutes.
If anything in medicine gets automated it will be pharmacists. But then again that's what lobbyists and the huge barrier to entry prevents anyways.
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If anything in medicine gets automated it will be pharmacists. But then again that's what lobbyists and the huge barrier to entry prevents anyways.
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A cardiologist gets paid for each EKG reviewed. We can't even replace that simple task of a cardiologist with AI and save the money. But we're gonna displace everyone overnight with nonexistent technology.
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Originally Posted By BHall1991⏩
Of course there is. We bill insurance like 200$ for each and every single EKG that a cardiologist reviews daily, which is a sh*t ton. How about echos? Brain MRIs? MRCPs? Is a robot going to do that ERCP as well? Lol when you know so little about the field and are making claims, it comes off as absurd.It beat the best chess engine, which would never lose to the top human, every single game over 1000 games. It was only close when the time controls was 30/1 for stockfish. It's also master go and was able to map proteins.
This guys whole arguement is show me a NN that can read an EKG.. that would be childsplay.Theres just no capital incentives for that yet.Show me a human who can beat Stockfish or someone who can map protein structures based on its genetic sequence or someone who can beat Lee Sedol at Go...
This guys whole arguement is show me a NN that can read an EKG.. that would be childsplay.Theres just no capital incentives for that yet.Show me a human who can beat Stockfish or someone who can map protein structures based on its genetic sequence or someone who can beat Lee Sedol at Go...
Originally Posted By MindDigger⏩
Hence why surgical robots, which still need 2 surgeons in the room btw, suck.1) Just LOL if you think AI will replace psychiatrists. You're trying to tell me a guy with paranoid schizophrenia will agree to talk to a computer to allow it to diagnose him?
2) Patient advocacy groups will never allow AI to make ethical decisions (stopping treatment,...).
3) As for technical procedures: the jobs might change, but using AI effectively in a doctor/patient relationship will just require a new/different skillset.
4)These robots are extremely expensive. Healthcare will not get cheaper because of AI, it will get more expensive.
2) Patient advocacy groups will never allow AI to make ethical decisions (stopping treatment,...).
3) As for technical procedures: the jobs might change, but using AI effectively in a doctor/patient relationship will just require a new/different skillset.
4)These robots are extremely expensive. Healthcare will not get cheaper because of AI, it will get more expensive.
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Originally Posted By Didlid⏩
The time necessary to do the work will decrease, however the amount of work will increase, and I wouldn't be surprised if they cancel each other out. If AI is better at early detection and diagnosis, the number of people being treated will increase. If you want to see a specialist in my country there's a waiting list of at least 3 months for non-urgent procedures, for some specializations there's a 1-year waiting list.No you aren't going to have an 'AI Robot' whatever that means or looks like, you will however have your job augmented by AI algorithms and other software to make it much more proficient meaning faster diagnosis/surgery/recovery etc. So overall less doctors would be needed because there would be less hands on work.
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Originally Posted By Didlid⏩
You're calling OP ignorant but it is in fact you who is clueless.First thing to come up when you type ECG / EKG machine learning:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...019.00103/full
I also know first hand that they use robotics and very new software in hospitals near us to do heart surgery. Off the top of my head i think it's robotic assisted abolation atrial fibrillation or something like that. The results show for themselves, at the moment the surgery takes a few weeks to recover from when done by opening the chest. When they do the same surgery using the robot they can do it through keyhole surgery which takes a little longer to complete, however the patient can be home within 24 hours of the heart surgery.
I mean you just dont have any clue about ML/Deep learning/Artificial intelligence/engineering. This is understandable that you wouldn't know what is capable. However, it's quite scary that as a doctor (that you claim to be) you are so ignorant to the advancements in your field. You'd think with such a high priority job you'd at least go with the curve and follow the latest trends in science and technology in order to ensure you're up to date on the latest things in your field.
It's a shame you're so ignorant because somebody might miss out being your patient because you refuse to learn and go with the research.
No you aren't going to have an 'AI Robot' whatever that means or looks like, you will however have your job augmented by AI algorithms and other software to make it much more proficient meaning faster diagnosis/surgery/recovery etc. So overall less doctors would be needed because there would be less hands on work.
I'm currently working within AI research for dementia patients so i know a lot about the subject, if you'd like to actually learn rather than being ignorant send over a pm i'd be happy to give my point of view on things.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...019.00103/full
I also know first hand that they use robotics and very new software in hospitals near us to do heart surgery. Off the top of my head i think it's robotic assisted abolation atrial fibrillation or something like that. The results show for themselves, at the moment the surgery takes a few weeks to recover from when done by opening the chest. When they do the same surgery using the robot they can do it through keyhole surgery which takes a little longer to complete, however the patient can be home within 24 hours of the heart surgery.
I mean you just dont have any clue about ML/Deep learning/Artificial intelligence/engineering. This is understandable that you wouldn't know what is capable. However, it's quite scary that as a doctor (that you claim to be) you are so ignorant to the advancements in your field. You'd think with such a high priority job you'd at least go with the curve and follow the latest trends in science and technology in order to ensure you're up to date on the latest things in your field.
It's a shame you're so ignorant because somebody might miss out being your patient because you refuse to learn and go with the research.
No you aren't going to have an 'AI Robot' whatever that means or looks like, you will however have your job augmented by AI algorithms and other software to make it much more proficient meaning faster diagnosis/surgery/recovery etc. So overall less doctors would be needed because there would be less hands on work.
I'm currently working within AI research for dementia patients so i know a lot about the subject, if you'd like to actually learn rather than being ignorant send over a pm i'd be happy to give my point of view on things.
Keyhole/lap for ablation of AF by itself is minimally invasive and meant for faster recovery where feasible, doesn't matter if robot assisted or not. If you actually saw it in person or even looked it up online, you would know what this 'robot' is anyway. It's more of a joystick that the surgeon controls the tools with. It has nothing to do with artificial intelligence.
Robot is not the standard of care anyway, won't be anytime soon either. Claims of AI doing anything more than MAYBEassistingdoctors in the near future are nothing but fantasies. Will help reduce workload sure, but not even close to doing anything that humans can't do right now, in surgery at least.
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Originally Posted By BloodFireDeath⏩
All robot surgeries have not just the primary surgeon and then the 1st assist surgeon lol.You're calling OP ignorant but it is in fact you who is clueless.
Keyhole/lap for ablation of AF by itself is minimally invasive and meant for faster recovery where feasible, doesn't matter if robot assisted or not. If you actually saw it in person or even looked it up online, you would know what this 'robot' is anyway. It's more of a joystick that the surgeon controls the tools with. It has nothing to do with artificial intelligence.
Robot is not the standard of care anyway, won't be anytime soon either. Claims of AI doing anything more than MAYBEassistingdoctors in the near future are nothing but fantasies. Will help reduce workload sure, but not even close to doing anything that humans can't do right now, in surgery at least.
Keyhole/lap for ablation of AF by itself is minimally invasive and meant for faster recovery where feasible, doesn't matter if robot assisted or not. If you actually saw it in person or even looked it up online, you would know what this 'robot' is anyway. It's more of a joystick that the surgeon controls the tools with. It has nothing to do with artificial intelligence.
Robot is not the standard of care anyway, won't be anytime soon either. Claims of AI doing anything more than MAYBEassistingdoctors in the near future are nothing but fantasies. Will help reduce workload sure, but not even close to doing anything that humans can't do right now, in surgery at least.
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Originally Posted By MindDigger⏩
This.1) Just LOL if you think AI will replace psychiatrists. You're trying to tell me a guy with paranoid schizophrenia will agree to talk to a computer to allow it to diagnose him?
2) Patient advocacy groups will never allow AI to make ethical decisions (stopping treatment,...).
3) As for technical procedures: the jobs might change, but using AI effectively in a doctor/patient relationship will just require a new/different skillset.
4) These robots are extremely expensive. Healthcare will not get cheaper because of AI, it will get more expensive.
2) Patient advocacy groups will never allow AI to make ethical decisions (stopping treatment,...).
3) As for technical procedures: the jobs might change, but using AI effectively in a doctor/patient relationship will just require a new/different skillset.
4) These robots are extremely expensive. Healthcare will not get cheaper because of AI, it will get more expensive.
I mean sure if ai goes hardcore and teaches itself and goes full on tv show mode then sure, but thats not anytime soon.
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Originally Posted By Didlid⏩
This. Pretty futile at this point. They keep saying computers and robots. 0 understanding of what ai/neural nets actually are.First thing to come up when you type ECG / EKG machine learning:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...019.00103/full
I also know first hand that they use robotics and very new software in hospitals near us to do heart surgery. Off the top of my head i think it's robotic assisted abolation atrial fibrillation or something like that. The results show for themselves, at the moment the surgery takes a few weeks to recover from when done by opening the chest. When they do the same surgery using the robot they can do it through keyhole surgery which takes a little longer to complete, however the patient can be home within 24 hours of the heart surgery.
I mean you just dont have any clue about ML/Deep learning/Artificial intelligence/engineering. This is understandable that you wouldn't know what is capable. However, it's quite scary that as a doctor (that you claim to be) you are so ignorant to the advancements in your field. You'd think with such a high priority job you'd at least go with the curve and follow the latest trends in science and technology in order to ensure you're up to date on the latest things in your field.
It's a shame you're so ignorant because somebody might miss out being your patient because you refuse to learn and go with the research.
No you aren't going to have an 'AI Robot' whatever that means or looks like, you will however have your job augmented by AI algorithms and other software to make it much more proficient meaning faster diagnosis/surgery/recovery etc. So overall less doctors would be needed because there would be less hands on work.
I'm currently working within AI research for dementia patients so i know a lot about the subject, if you'd like to actually learn rather than being ignorant send over a pm i'd be happy to give my point of view on things.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...019.00103/full
I also know first hand that they use robotics and very new software in hospitals near us to do heart surgery. Off the top of my head i think it's robotic assisted abolation atrial fibrillation or something like that. The results show for themselves, at the moment the surgery takes a few weeks to recover from when done by opening the chest. When they do the same surgery using the robot they can do it through keyhole surgery which takes a little longer to complete, however the patient can be home within 24 hours of the heart surgery.
I mean you just dont have any clue about ML/Deep learning/Artificial intelligence/engineering. This is understandable that you wouldn't know what is capable. However, it's quite scary that as a doctor (that you claim to be) you are so ignorant to the advancements in your field. You'd think with such a high priority job you'd at least go with the curve and follow the latest trends in science and technology in order to ensure you're up to date on the latest things in your field.
It's a shame you're so ignorant because somebody might miss out being your patient because you refuse to learn and go with the research.
No you aren't going to have an 'AI Robot' whatever that means or looks like, you will however have your job augmented by AI algorithms and other software to make it much more proficient meaning faster diagnosis/surgery/recovery etc. So overall less doctors would be needed because there would be less hands on work.
I'm currently working within AI research for dementia patients so i know a lot about the subject, if you'd like to actually learn rather than being ignorant send over a pm i'd be happy to give my point of view on things.
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
That's not a capital incentive.. they would be able to charge that regardless. The capital incentive lies in replacing the cost for you to do it. And right now the software is more costly than you.Of course there is. We bill insurance like 200$ for each and every single EKG that a cardiologist reviews daily, which is a sh*t ton. How about echos? Brain MRIs? MRCPs? Is a robot going to do that ERCP as well? Lol when you know so little about the field and are making claims, it comes off as absurd.
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i went to an urgent care for the flu a couple of years ago and the doc just checked the boxes for my symptoms and lab results, which gave out a list of possible diagnosis. he saw me for 5 minutes, told me what i had and sent the prescription electronically to my pharmacy, then onto his next patient.
specialty docs will always have a job but primary care will turn into a kiosk with one doctor for an entire practice.
specialty docs will always have a job but primary care will turn into a kiosk with one doctor for an entire practice.
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they can't given automate driving yet
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01-28-2020, 03:49 PM
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is this thread a joke or profession signalling?
they're literally inventing apps that can diagnose respiratory illnesses based on a cough into a smartphone
gps are literally useless for anyone below 50 and a functional knowledge of how to use google
they're literally inventing apps that can diagnose respiratory illnesses based on a cough into a smartphone
gps are literally useless for anyone below 50 and a functional knowledge of how to use google
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Originally Posted By lolXlol⏩
brb web md MD checking inis this thread a joke or profession signalling?
they're literally inventing apps that can diagnose respiratory illnesses based on a cough into a smartphone
gps are literally useless for anyone below 50 and a functional knowledge of how to use google
they're literally inventing apps that can diagnose respiratory illnesses based on a cough into a smartphone
gps are literally useless for anyone below 50 and a functional knowledge of how to use google
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You said AI won't replace them and then you said they have to follow the algorithm. True AI will be as free flowing as you and I, but will have access to more information and should be able to process it much faster and efficiently than we can. Imagine the smartest guy you know having access to basically all medical knowledge, able to tear through it all in fractions of a second and fit the best parts together for the current situation. Now imagine this person doesn't age, doesn't get tired, doesn't need to eat/sleep/feed and runs at near max levels at all times.
Sure If/Else statements aren't going to takeover, but once the building blocks for true AI are in place and once quantam computing hits our tour is over boyo.
Sure If/Else statements aren't going to takeover, but once the building blocks for true AI are in place and once quantam computing hits our tour is over boyo.
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Originally Posted By Kawhilights⏩
can AI become professional miscers and misc trolls too? will content get better here? although it has been pretty entertaining the past couple daysYou said AI won't replace them and then you said they have to follow the algorithm. True AI will be as free flowing as you and I, but will have access to more information and should be able to process it much faster and efficiently than we can. Imagine the smartest guy you know having access to basically all medical knowledge, able to tear through it all in fractions of a second and fit the best parts together for the current situation. Now imagine this person doesn't age, doesn't get tired, doesn't need to eat/sleep/feed and runs at near max levels at all times.
Sure If/Else statements aren't going to takeover, but once the building blocks for true AI are in place and once quantam computing hits our tour is over boyo.
Sure If/Else statements aren't going to takeover, but once the building blocks for true AI are in place and once quantam computing hits our tour is over boyo.
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I, for one, welcome my new AI overlords.
OP, you tried your best, but we're in an era of rampant anti-intellectualism. Nowadays, everyone who has a smartphone thinks they know everything.
In reality, the smartest people realize how little they really know.
OP, you tried your best, but we're in an era of rampant anti-intellectualism. Nowadays, everyone who has a smartphone thinks they know everything.
In reality, the smartest people realize how little they really know.
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Originally Posted By solidus2k3⏩
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Medical errors third-leading cause of death in America
just becasue some low iq dude got scammd out of hundreds of thousands to get a nice gliterry certificate doen't make him any better at diagnosing illnesses than the person actually experiencing their own symptoms
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Wrong unfortunately. AI isn’t just a one size fits all algorithm. It’ll take into account patient history INCLUDING dna sequencing. Something so personalized that there is actually AI working on this right now. Not only will AI replace diagnosis and treatment, it will eventually replace all aspects of medicine.
As someone who works with ANN’s in chemistry, I can assure you it’s not far off at all.
As someone who works with ANN’s in chemistry, I can assure you it’s not far off at all.
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
This. Work in the ED and IR. Won't be seeing AI in those fields for a fat minute.I'd argue the opposite. Humans have a inferiority complex. Hence the need to imagine all this superhuman AI coming around in the next few years. Also, most people don't lead exciting lives. So fantasizing about this stuff makes the future more exciting.
This.
A cardiologist gets paid for each EKG reviewed. We can't even replace that simple task of a cardiologist with AI and save the money. But we're gonna displace everyone overnight with nonexistent technology.
This.
A cardiologist gets paid for each EKG reviewed. We can't even replace that simple task of a cardiologist with AI and save the money. But we're gonna displace everyone overnight with nonexistent technology.
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Originally Posted By TonyTriangles⏩
1. Highly doubt you actually saw a doctor. Most urgent cares have midlevels.i went to an urgent care for the flu a couple of years ago and the doc just checked the boxes for my symptoms and lab results, which gave out a list of possible diagnosis. he saw me for 5 minutes, told me what i had and sent the prescription electronically to my pharmacy, then onto his next patient.
specialty docs will always have a job but primary care will turn into a kiosk with one doctor for an entire practice.
specialty docs will always have a job but primary care will turn into a kiosk with one doctor for an entire practice.
2. A doctor or anyone else checkboxing into the EMR is called inputting documentation for billing. They were putting in your symptoms so it goes into your note. Not looking up your symptoms ROFL.
FYI, you do realize it's the same specialty (primary care aka FM/IM) who staffs the hospital right? And who manages complex patients?
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Originally Posted By MakeABanana⏩
I know, that's why I made the thread lol. Little test to see just how ignorant people are. It's actually refreshing to treat true underserved populations. They take their evidence based medicines, want their vaccines and say thank you at the end.I, for one, welcome my new AI overlords.
OP, you tried your best, but we're in an era of rampant anti-intellectualism. Nowadays, everyone who has a smartphone thinks they know everything.
In reality, the smartest people realize how little they really know.
OP, you tried your best, but we're in an era of rampant anti-intellectualism. Nowadays, everyone who has a smartphone thinks they know everything.
In reality, the smartest people realize how little they really know.
Originally Posted By lolXlol⏩
ROFL until you show up in my ER after doing what the internet/naturopath/chiro/miscer told you to do and now you're knocking on death's door.just becasue some low iq dude got scammd out of hundreds of thousands to get a nice gliterry certificate doen't make him any better at
diagnosing illnesses than the person actually experiencing their own symptoms
diagnosing illnesses than the person actually experiencing their own symptoms
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Wood not play an AI poker but for money. But wood get operated on by ai surgeon bot
01-28-2020, 07:51 PM
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The insecurity on this forum is so funny. Having to justify doctors having it good, really? LOL.
The other WTF example is Matt London, I'm a big fan of the guy but let's be real, he's mentally ill, yet miscers are frothing at the mouth trying to debate him and prove him wrong whenever he makes his brag threads.
The other WTF example is Matt London, I'm a big fan of the guy but let's be real, he's mentally ill, yet miscers are frothing at the mouth trying to debate him and prove him wrong whenever he makes his brag threads.
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doctors misdiagnose **** A LOT. machine learning will solve that issue entirely. it's already phasing out radiologists
we should welcome AI with open arms; not shun it. it'll evolve the medical field to a level you can't imagine
we should welcome AI with open arms; not shun it. it'll evolve the medical field to a level you can't imagine
01-28-2020, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted By NonSmoker⏩
Pretty uncommon that I've seen a misdiagnosis made by another doctor. When it does happen (healthy guy comes in with diarrhea and is otherwise well but is having a heart attack) it's just something very unusual.doctors misdiagnose **** A LOT. machine learning will solve that issue entirely. it's already phasing out radiologists
we should welcome AI with open arms; not shun it. it'll evolve the medical field to a level you can't imagine
we should welcome AI with open arms; not shun it. it'll evolve the medical field to a level you can't imagine
Radiology has a great job market and is not being phased out by anything lul.
Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
I mean I asked like 6 times who would get sued for AI errors and *crickets*Did anyone answer my question? How many preventable medical errors that lead to death are caused by incompetence or gross negligence of a medical Doctor (NOT PAs or nurse practitioners)
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Lol, I’m a surgeon, there is no fukking way AI is replacing surgeons.
First of all, medicine is an art, there’s a humanistic factor, you mean to tell me a robot is going to appear and fix a pelvis fracture after a guy is in a motorcycle accident and at the worst hour of his life? Lol. And then this robot will manage post op course of this patient and will make recommendations on weight bearing status? Lol... where will we locate this robot? In the EMergency room? Will it make a ED bedside consult when the patient has a pelvic diastasis and put a pelvic binder and then wheel the patient to the OR while monitoring their vitals so patient doesn’t tank? Will it also talk to the family and calm them down? Just fukking lol. And who will be responsible if this robot went full retard somewhere in between?
None of you mofos would want a robot to fix you pelvis or tibia when you show to the hospital, not a single one of you. Even if the robot was goddamn perfect.
First of all, medicine is an art, there’s a humanistic factor, you mean to tell me a robot is going to appear and fix a pelvis fracture after a guy is in a motorcycle accident and at the worst hour of his life? Lol. And then this robot will manage post op course of this patient and will make recommendations on weight bearing status? Lol... where will we locate this robot? In the EMergency room? Will it make a ED bedside consult when the patient has a pelvic diastasis and put a pelvic binder and then wheel the patient to the OR while monitoring their vitals so patient doesn’t tank? Will it also talk to the family and calm them down? Just fukking lol. And who will be responsible if this robot went full retard somewhere in between?
None of you mofos would want a robot to fix you pelvis or tibia when you show to the hospital, not a single one of you. Even if the robot was goddamn perfect.
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