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post 1599366241 03-09-2020, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
If its been here thats a good sign because nothing has been too bad in all that time.

I haven't heard anything a out flu or pneumonia deaths being up that could be attributed to coroansvirus that wasnt diagnosed.

So it's either been here not doing s*it or it hasn't really until now
I'm with you. I think the actual mortality rate of this thing is going to well below the 3.4% advertised due to the undiagnosed cases. It's something to be aware of, and have heightened awareness, but it isn't the Plague.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
Everyone saying be prepared but don't panic are being accused of not taking it seriously enough.

Thsts all trump is doing. That's all his admiration is doing.

It's not like they're saying it doesnt exist, they're saying theres no reason to panic
I can't say I've seen a lot of that sentiment. If you are legitimately saying BE PREPARED but also DO NOT PANIC, then you are sending the right message. Panic does not help anyone. If you buy 100% of the hand sanitizer and TP at your local costco, it does not help, and if anything makes things worse. Buy enough of what you need to be self sufficient for a few weeks. If you can't afford that, then just keep washing your hands and do what you can to reduce your exposure.
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Originally Posted By .:Chris:.⏩
Yeah stock market is taking a big hit. Travel bans preventing circulation of money isnt helping either. But imagine the person to make the vaccine for this. MILLIONS.
They take ages to make, that it is slowing down in China & South Korea indicates that like the others that were going to kill millions/hundreds of millions around the world like SARS, Swine Flu, H5N1, Ebola that they die off pretty quickly, due to a mixture of things like travel bans, isolation, improved hygiene, weather fluctuations etc. Vaccines for even the seasonal flu are usually pretty much useless-due to the variations in strains/how they mutate-the UK one a few years back only worked on something like 15% of those that had it.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
For every one of these people, there is another on the opposite side of the spectrum who feels it's overblown.
What's the opposite of a country's health officials?
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So while we're doing zero testing, going in blind as far as knowing who and how many are infected, CDC is literally telling people as long as they don't have "reason to believe" they came into contact with someone infect, they're fine even with symptoms.

...but we have no idea who's infected due to no testing or infected simply not showing symptoms yet to get tested in the first place.

CDC will be to blame for this engulfing the country. When the HMF's in charge don't take it seriously, we can't expect the average joe to either....
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
That is what I thought as well. Just a weird coincidence one of the worst flu months in recent memory coincides with the outbreak of a new virus with similar symptoms to the flu. My step-daughters private school, which hosts less than 200 total kids (K-8) had 50 kids out at a time one week.



lol, think we have tested like 2k people here stateside. So either they have information/data that says mass testing isn't beneficial/needed..... or the government is that incompetent. The second is a scary though when you think about it.
You're a serious fking idoit. We already know FOR A FACT children either do not get it or do not show symptoms. Stop with this fairy tale COPE that it's actually been around for months so it's not that bad.

Who would have thought kids would get the flu during flu season during bad flu month.

THIS IS NOT THE FKING FLU.
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Originally Posted By Underwrought⏩
You're a serious fking idoit. We already know FOR A FACT children either do not get it or do not show symptoms. Stop with this fairy tale COPE that it's actually been around for months so it's not that bad.

Who would have thought kids would get the flu during flu season during bad flu month.

THIS IS NOT THE FKING FLU.
So no childen get this virus or get sick from it? Care to share some sources for that. I know there have not been deaths.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
Also what difference do the tests even make?
If someone has the symptoms we dont need a test to quarantine them, we can do it from common sense
We need to know so that even cases that present mildy can stay away from those that it can be deadly for. IE: Elderly and those with already compromised immune systems.
Simply assuming all you have is a cold or a mild case of influenza is a bad idea if you will be in contact with the above who it can absolutely be deadly for.

Also, there's more and more talk that even those getting over it and recovering are showing signs of permanent lung damage in scans. That's a serious thing no matter how old you are.
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Originally Posted By cromofo⏩
What's the opposite of a country's health officials?
Opposite referring to their viewpoint, not title.
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post 1599367861 03-09-2020, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
So no childen get this virus or get sick from it? Care to share some sources for that. I know there have not been deaths.
There's been loads and loads of doctors saying they aren't sure why, but children being infected is extremely rare and in the rare cases they do, it has been super mild for them.

**No one with credentials ever said children flat out DO NO get it. Just that out of the thousands and thousands of cases, there's an insanely low number of children infected.
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Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
So while we're doing zero testing, going in blind as far as knowing who and how many are infected, CDC is literally telling people as long as they don't have "reason to believe" they came into contact with someone infect, they're fine even with symptoms.

...but we have no idea who's infected due to no testing or infected simply not showing symptoms yet to get tested in the first place.

CDC will be to blame for this engulfing the country. When the HMF's in charge don't take it seriously, we can't expect the average joe to either....
We can’t grade their handling of it until we see the outcome. We can be sure they have a lot more information than us...hell, the virus was completely mapped out before it even gained a foothold in our country(assuming the timeline is correct, which I think it’s been here longer). I think there will be spikes in some areas but overall I don’t expect it to be too bad, or at least won’t get to the point where we overwhelm healthcare facilities. But even if some areas do, the CDC can’t get all of the blame. They can’t make LA cancel their marathon or make towns/cities act in certain ways. There will be plenty of blame to go around if things get ugly, but I’m sure us getting to that point is the most likely scenario right now.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Opposite referring to their viewpoint, not title.
Either you're relevant or you're not. Every moron can have a viewpoint, not everyone has the knowledge and expertise to back it up.
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Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
There's been loads and loads of doctors saying they aren't sure why, but children being infected is extremely rare and in the rare cases they do, it has been super mild for them.

**No one with credentials ever said children flat out DO NO get it. Just that out of the thousands and thousands of cases, there's an insanely low number of children infected.
I never saw numbers about infected, only dead. So that's a good thing at least.
Originally Posted By cromofo⏩
Either you're relevant or you're not. Every moron can have a viewpoint, not everyone has the knowledge and expertise to back it up.
Medical Professionals across the world have all different takes on this.
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Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
We need to know so that even cases that present mildy can stay away from those that it can be deadly for. IE: Elderly and those with already compromised immune systems.
Simply assuming all you have is a cold or a mild case of influenza is a bad idea if you will be in contact with the above who it can absolutely be deadly for.

Also, there's more and more talk that even those getting over it and recovering are showing signs of permanent lung damage in scans. That's a serious thing no matter how old you are.
That's why, in the absence of tests, tell everyone with symptoms to quarantine. Simple as that.

You guys are making it sound like we can't use common sense and precaution in the absence of the tests. Why not
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
That's why, in the absence of tests, tell everyone with symptoms to quarantine. Simple as that.

You guys are making it sound like we can't use common sense and precaution in the absence of the tests. Why not
It would be impossible to quarantine everyone with a fever/cough without having some test data. Not to mention you'd be relying on the patient to actually listen. It's a good thought, but no way to enforce it.
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Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
We need to know so that even cases that present mildy can stay away from those that it can be deadly for. IE: Elderly and those with already compromised immune systems.
Simply assuming all you have is a cold or a mild case of influenza is a bad idea if you will be in contact with the above who it can absolutely be deadly for.

Also, there's more and more talk that even those getting over it and recovering are showing signs of permanent lung damage in scans. That's a serious thing no matter how old you are.
I agree about keeping elderly and high-risk people safe, but we don’t really need covid 19 tests for people to know that they should stay away from elderly people if they’re sick. I do think we should encourage special precaution for people in those groups though.



As far as the lung damage thing, how can we know? Wouldn’t that be like getting cut, not having it completely healed a week later, and then saying there will be permanent damage? We don’t know what the lungs looked like before they got it, how bad it got, and we don’t know what their lungs will look like in 6 months. I’m not a doctor so others can feel free to correct me....but it seems premature to look at their lungs a week after being released and going “yep, looks like you have permanent damage”.
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WHO officially calls it a pandemic, but we've already known that.

EDIT: They didn't. My bad.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
That's why, in the absence of tests, tell everyone with symptoms to quarantine. Simple as that.

You guys are making it sound like we can't use common sense and precaution in the absence of the tests. Why not
So common sense is to tell everyone with a cough or fever to stay home for 14 days, and that everyone who has been in contact with those people within the past 7 days should join them?
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
It would be impossible to quarantine everyone with a fever/cough without having some test data. Not to mention you'd be relying on the patient to actually listen. It's a good thought, but no way to enforce it.
Well do you think we should actually be testing anyone with even just a cough? How would we even do that, those people with mild or no symptoms wont go to the doctor
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
So common sense is to tell everyone with a cough or fever to stay home for 14 days, and that everyone who has been in contact with those people within the past 7 days should join them?
Anyone with it bad enough to go see a doctor yes.

People with mild symptoms wouldnt get tested no matter how many tests we have because they wont go to the doctor.

Unless you think everyone who so much as sneezes one time should go in for a test?
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
Well do you think we should actually be testing anyone with even just a cough? How would we even do that, those people with mild or no symptoms wont go to the doctor
No idea what the answer is here, but I imagine anyone at the doctor/hospital would have to meet some basic criteria for testing (testing ain't free fam..) Also, like you said, I'm sure a lot of people who have had it didn't seek medical attention because it wasn't needed so we will never know about them.
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The CDC and US government did not consciously decide to not do mass testing. The first batch of test kits mailed to the states in early February was defective. Most states were not able to validate the tests to show consistent results, so they had to rely on the CDC to do testing. The second batch was not sent out until last week. Since then testing has been faster but some states don’t have the lab capacity to do more than a dozen a day. This is why hard hit states like NY are trying to get the CDC to agree to allow private labs to carry out the tests.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
Anyone with it bad enough to go see a doctor yes.

People with mild symptoms wouldnt get tested no matter how many tests we have because they wont go to the doctor.

Unless you think everyone who so much as sneezes one time should go in for a test?
You didn’t say that...you said anyone with symptoms. And “bad enough to go to the doctor” is almost completely subjective thereby making it pretty much pointless. Plus every school has a kid that’s sick. Does that mean shut down all schools? I think you are drastically overstating the threat of the virus and drastically underestimating the threats from disruption to economy & services.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
You didn’t say that...you said anyone with symptoms. And “bad enough to go to the doctor” is almost completely subjective thereby making it pretty much pointless. Plus every school has a kid that’s sick. Does that mean shut down all schools? I think you are drastically overstating the threat of the virus and drastically underestimating the threats from disruption to economy & services.
No I agree with you, I was trying to provide a counter argument to those saying testing is the be all end all.

It is not because a lot of people who have it will not show signs strong enough to go in and get a test to begin with, and we can play it safe for now and tell anyone bad enough that they go to see a doctor to stay home even without a test
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
No I agree with you, I was trying to provide a counter argument to those saying testing is the be all end all.

It is not because a lot of people who have it will not show signs strong enough to go in and get a test to begin with, and we can play it safe for now and tell anyone bad enough that they go to see a doctor to stay home even without a test
More testing would just give us a better idea of the actual death rate, ect. South Korea has tested over 100k people versus 58 deaths(I think) Very low rate in comparison to other countries, but they have also done the most testing by a very large margin.

Also look at the Diamond Princess. Isolated Cruise ship. 690ish infected, and I think 7(?) dead.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
As far as the lung damage thing, how can we know? Wouldn’t that be like getting cut, not having it completely healed a week later, and then saying there will be permanent damage? We don’t know what the lungs looked like before they got it, how bad it got, and we don’t know what their lungs will look like in 6 months. I’m not a doctor so others can feel free to correct me....but it seems premature to look at their lungs a week after being released and going “yep, looks like you have permanent damage”.
I guess we don't know for sure yet. But someone on another forum posted a link to scans from patients that were recovered which showed serious abnormalities in their lungs, similar to the same lung damage that some SARS and MERS patients had even after full recovery.
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Over 70% of people infected with coronavirus in China recovered: WHO

The World Health Organization said Monday that more than 70 percent of those infected with the new coronavirus in China have recovered, adding that the country was "bringing its epidemic under control".

Out of the more than 80,000 cases of COVID-19 in China, "more than 70 percent have recovered and have been discharged," WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporters in Geneva.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...recovered.html
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
Anyone with it bad enough to go see a doctor yes.

People with mild symptoms wouldnt get tested no matter how many tests we have because they wont go to the doctor.

Unless you think everyone who so much as sneezes one time should go in for a test?
Basically, unless you catch people early and before they're severely ill, you're already in trouble. South Korea has had some success setting up drive-through testing stations to keep people out of the hospital waiting rooms, and Germany is now trying their model.
Originally Posted By TrinnieBuu⏩
The CDC and US government did not consciously decide to not do mass testing. The first batch of test kits mailed to the states in early February was defective. Most states were not able to validate the tests to show consistent results, so they had to rely on the CDC to do testing. The second batch was not sent out until last week. Since then testing has been faster but some states don’t have the lab capacity to do more than a dozen a day. This is why hard hit states like NY are trying to get the CDC to agree to allow private labs to carry out the tests.
This is correct. Speculating about ulterior motives, no matter how glaring they might be, is, literally, conspiracy theorizing.
Nah, fukk that. I’m not doing that.
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