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03-23-2020, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Fsharpasharp⏩
Oh yes, the innocent of the Western “democratic” governments. The American government much like the CCP has conducted inhumanely towards its populace, the track record especially like nation like America is damming as CCP, so this moral high horse you claim has no real standing. I wouldn’t trust neither the CCP nor any Western government. The same western government which you like to paint as more trust worthy and angelic, kill a million Iraqis over a god damn, so please enough with this appeal to purity and justice.Normal? Everyone in the country is still wearing masks, being temperature checked, and a sizable portion of the population is still working from home. It’s nothing like it was before. Foreigners are held in mandatory 2 week quarantines upon arrival.
It’s amazing how you are into fringe ideas but actually trust the CCP. The same government that openly jails and kills those who oppose anything that goes against their backwards ideology. Go on twitter and see the truth lmao. A couple days ago there was a tweet of a video that surfaced of a covid-19 carrying elderly couple who were found dead in their apartment. I’ll gladly edit this post with the video, tomorrow.
It’s amazing how you are into fringe ideas but actually trust the CCP. The same government that openly jails and kills those who oppose anything that goes against their backwards ideology. Go on twitter and see the truth lmao. A couple days ago there was a tweet of a video that surfaced of a covid-19 carrying elderly couple who were found dead in their apartment. I’ll gladly edit this post with the video, tomorrow.
Life in authoritarian China and democratic Korea are both rapidly returning to life. This flu especially in the Western nations is overhyped by the views driven media and parasitical greedy medical and pharmaceutical industries.
The death rate is actually lower than the common flu if calculated correctly and honestly.
03-23-2020, 10:36 PM
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Wuhan and Italy is all ghetto unhealthy people living in alleyways and ghettos with not much separating everyone.
In USA we have larger properties separated by freeways and large expanses of land.
I expect this two week lockdown will be effective enough for the goal of hospital beds especially with the new cocktail that speeds up recovery and prevents death.
In USA we have larger properties separated by freeways and large expanses of land.
I expect this two week lockdown will be effective enough for the goal of hospital beds especially with the new cocktail that speeds up recovery and prevents death.
03-23-2020, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted By Skinnyfloyd1⏩
Like the poster above said, China cracked down with a level of intensity that throws your “overhyped” comment right out the window. The people of China were in a 2 month lockdown and still aren’t back to their normal lives. You think the mini lockdowns we have here are overhyped? Foolishness.Oh yes, the innocent of the Western “democratic” governments. The American government much like the CCP has conducted inhumanely towards its populace, the track record especially like nation like America is damming as CCP, so this moral high horse you claim has no real standing. I wouldn’t trust neither the CCP nor any Western government. The same western government which you like to paint as more trust worthy and angelic, kill a million Iraqis over a god damn, so please enough with this appeal to purity and justice.
Life in authoritarian China and democratic Korea are both rapidly returning to life. This flu especially in the Western nations is overhyped by the views driven media and parasitical greedy medical and pharmaceutical industries.
The death rate is actually lower than the common flu if calculated correctly and honestly.
Life in authoritarian China and democratic Korea are both rapidly returning to life. This flu especially in the Western nations is overhyped by the views driven media and parasitical greedy medical and pharmaceutical industries.
The death rate is actually lower than the common flu if calculated correctly and honestly.
When your door is welded shut, when your trash and used toilet paper are inspected daily, when your temperature is checked just to let you enter your apartment, when you’re forced to wear a mask to go outside, when your city becomes a ghost town, then you have my permission to complain.
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03-23-2020, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
They're commies at the CDC and WHO? What the **** are you talking about? Lol.only cucks appeal to authority as a logical fallacy.
Because they are authority doesnt mean they are correct. They are epidemiologists and scientists, not economists and sociologists, nor the president who makes the ultimate decisions based on all elements involved, not just 1 element.
Their job is to describe the problem, the leaders come up with the solutions.
And they are commies at the CDC and The Who as well. USA is a unique problem because Capitalism doesnt sleep like communism does. we have to keep things going or else collapse unlike commies who have no empires and can just be a cuck all month.
Because they are authority doesnt mean they are correct. They are epidemiologists and scientists, not economists and sociologists, nor the president who makes the ultimate decisions based on all elements involved, not just 1 element.
Their job is to describe the problem, the leaders come up with the solutions.
And they are commies at the CDC and The Who as well. USA is a unique problem because Capitalism doesnt sleep like communism does. we have to keep things going or else collapse unlike commies who have no empires and can just be a cuck all month.
Listen, you and the other imbecilic "it's just the flu, bro" miscers have no credibility whatsoever. Meanwhile, we have an organization that was literally created to halt the spread of infectious diseases and have infinitely more expertise. When considering the two choices on who to listen to, the answer should be painfully obvious.
03-23-2020, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted By guitarwar241⏩
you people who claim any credibility are the worst dumbest tunnel vision thinkers out there. Incomplete and have no authority of intelligence what so ever. Total disregard for the human condition. Just stop. Full stop. Youre not smarter than anyone and not qualified to make decisions about this, period.They're commies at the CDC and WHO? What the **** are you talking about? Lol.
Listen, you and the other imbecilic "it's just the flu, bro" miscers have no credibility whatsoever. Meanwhile, we have an organization that was literally created to halt the spread of infectious diseases and have infinitely more expertise. When considering the two choices on who to listen to, the answer should be painfully obvious.
Listen, you and the other imbecilic "it's just the flu, bro" miscers have no credibility whatsoever. Meanwhile, we have an organization that was literally created to halt the spread of infectious diseases and have infinitely more expertise. When considering the two choices on who to listen to, the answer should be painfully obvious.
we will let trump make the decisions not you sensationalist cucks.
Youre shaming the wrong people, attack China not people who are hoping to fix this with the least amount of damage to the country as a whole.
03-23-2020, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Fsharpasharp⏩
Yawn,Like the poster above said, China cracked down with a level of intensity that throws your “overhyped” comment right out the window. The people of China were in a 2 month lockdown and still aren’t back to their normal lives. You think the mini lockdowns we have here are overhyped? Foolishness.
When your door is welded shut, when your trash and used toilet paper are inspected daily, when your temperature is checked just to let you enter your apartment, when you’re forced to wear a mask to go outside, when your city becomes a ghost town, then you have my permission to complain.
When your door is welded shut, when your trash and used toilet paper are inspected daily, when your temperature is checked just to let you enter your apartment, when you’re forced to wear a mask to go outside, when your city becomes a ghost town, then you have my permission to complain.
The world now has a playbook. China and Korea has already given us a successful playbook on how to deal with this common virus. Italy is another example, showing that the elderly and those with underlying condition are most vulnerable this common virus; exactly the common flu. The real statistic when calculated accurately and honestly will show it is less threatening the common flu. Healthy, non elderly people who don't have underlying health conditions shouldn't be burden the the vulnerable. If anything, life should continue while we protect the vulnerable.
China's lockdown harsh because it started in China, they didn’t know what they were dealing with and their population density. Example, it didn’t start in America, America know what it is dealing with, America knows who is most threaten by it, that it is less threatening and dangerous than the flu and with time, warning and population density on its side these draconic overhyped measures can easily be stated as excessive and unwarranted.
You are comparing apples to oranges,
When this finally blows over, most will agree that this was overblown, overhyped and downright oppressive state of measures on humanity.
03-23-2020, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Skinnyfloyd1⏩
Its like in a. war.... we dont nuke the whole place.Yawn,
The world now has a playbook. China and Korea has already given us a successful playbook on how to deal with this common virus. Italy is another example, showing that the elderly and those with underlying condition are most vulnerable this common virus; exactly the common flu. The real statistic when calculated accurately and honestly will show it is less threatening the common flu. Healthy, non elderly people who don't have underlying health conditions shouldn't be burden the the vulnerable. If anything, life should continue while we protect the vulnerable.
China's lockdown harsh because it started in China, they didn’t know what they were dealing with and their population density. Example, it didn’t start in America, America know what it is dealing with, America knows who is most threaten by it, that it is less threatening and dangerous than the flu and with time, warning and population density on its side these draconic overhyped measures can easily be stated as excessive and unwarranted.
You are comparing apples to oranges,
When this finally blows over, most will agree that this was overblown, overhyped and downright oppressive state of measures on humanity.
The world now has a playbook. China and Korea has already given us a successful playbook on how to deal with this common virus. Italy is another example, showing that the elderly and those with underlying condition are most vulnerable this common virus; exactly the common flu. The real statistic when calculated accurately and honestly will show it is less threatening the common flu. Healthy, non elderly people who don't have underlying health conditions shouldn't be burden the the vulnerable. If anything, life should continue while we protect the vulnerable.
China's lockdown harsh because it started in China, they didn’t know what they were dealing with and their population density. Example, it didn’t start in America, America know what it is dealing with, America knows who is most threaten by it, that it is less threatening and dangerous than the flu and with time, warning and population density on its side these draconic overhyped measures can easily be stated as excessive and unwarranted.
You are comparing apples to oranges,
When this finally blows over, most will agree that this was overblown, overhyped and downright oppressive state of measures on humanity.
We have surgical precision in how we deal with threats. We can blow up a guy in just a corner of a building with satellites from outer space. We can tactically attack just what we need to.
same with this war. We dont need to nuke the country to win. We can target to protect old people and those at risk. and have a smarter more in between precision approach to containing it (which will be the case after this 2 week lockdown) and we need to be smarter about how we react in details not on a macro scale. Like make a rule people at risk over 65 to self quarantine only, and anyone with respiratory issues. and contain their exposure to the rest of the populous and things of that nature and scope.
Like here in AZ theres like 20 people infected and like we dont need to be under the same precautions as like a dirty ghetto in NY or something.
should be surgical approach to containment not a sloppy all encompassing breakdown of everything.
03-23-2020, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
Huh? Are you currently smoking meth? I never claimed to have credibility nor did I say I was qualified to make any decisions in my post so I'm not exactly sure where you pulled that from. To reiterate, I said that people should be listening to the CDC's advice instead of some idiots/miscers with exactly zero knowledge about infectious diseases.you people who claim any credibility are the worst dumbest tunnel vision thinkers out there. Incomplete and have no authority of intelligence what so ever. Total disregard for the human condition. Just stop. Full stop. Youre not smarter than anyone and not qualified to make decisions about this, period.
we will let trump make the decisions not you sensationalist cucks.
Youre shaming the wrong people, attack China not people who are hoping to fix this with the least amount of damage to the country as a whole.
we will let trump make the decisions not you sensationalist cucks.
Youre shaming the wrong people, attack China not people who are hoping to fix this with the least amount of damage to the country as a whole.
03-23-2020, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted By guitarwar241⏩
That take in general is just binary and misguided as hell.Huh? Are you currently smoking meth? I never claimed to have credibility nor did I say I was qualified to make any decisions in my post so I'm not exactly sure where you pulled that from. To reiterate, I said that people should be listening to the CDC's advice instead of some idiots/miscers with exactly zero knowledge about infectious diseases.
The CDC first of all FAILED TO COMMUNICATE properly.
Al the videos that help properly explain what’s going on are from other you tubers. The CDC comes across as condescending, pointing at the wrong things, and has strong communist vibes.
Which is why these draconian measures feel like communism and infringement on freedoms.
Like I said there are better approaches and there’s lots of criticisms to the CDC. They failed to properly and fully educate in a modern way. They seem like the DMV of epidemics. Poorly organized and archaic. You can see it’s a bunch of weird old people who look super socialist in vibe and the WHO is even worse like that weird Indian dude that can barely speak properly.
03-23-2020, 11:27 PM
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Which scholarly acclaimed literature contained this ground breaking information?Yeah; but what about dying from a condition which you WOULD HAVE DIED FROM ANYWAY EVENTUALLY, and was just accelerated by the virus?
Anyway I read an article that basically anyone that dies right now in Italy they're blaming COVID-19 which is why the death rates are so high there compared to anywhere else.
Anyway I read an article that basically anyone that dies right now in Italy they're blaming COVID-19 which is why the death rates are so high there compared to anywhere else.
We’ve already had a week here of every retard, and their new found expertise in microbiology, claiming the health service is ‘cooking the books’ by blaming more deaths on Covid 19 than actually the virus is responsible for.
It’s already been rubbished, yes already ill people elderly are highest risk, but there are many who didn’t have preexisting conditions and young seriously ill.
What people don’t realise is, the more young fit people who are attacked by the virus, the more it has the potential to mutate and become more aggressive.
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Originally Posted By mcboo2⏩
this is the truth! have a B.S. in economics and am working on my masters.. we were talking about when the economy was going to collapse in Dec. all this virus stuff just expedited the inevitableThe US economy hasn't been 'strong' since 2008. Do not believe the lies or bull**** the media tells you. Most of the statistics on unemployment, job markets, real estate prices etc they give you are completely misleading or just plain wrong. The "job boom" was 99% temp jobs. Filled by people with extreme student debt, who couldn't possibly overcome it due to no upward mobilization. This QE bull**** only accelerated this total market bubble. It took only ONE week of job displacement to crash all of Trump's gains in office. LOL, strong greatest economy in the world. Whether it was the corona virus, or something else. The market was waiting for an excuse to crash. Let it burn. So now, we can re-bail out the the companies who will in turn pay their executive bonuses, lay off half their company, and not help the individual in any tangible way whatsoever. These people will again be slaves to their debt, giving more power to the corporations. Who truly run the government. Well that and the central banks. You literally had United Airlines say today if they don't get a bailout mass layoffs are coming. This isn't capitalism. Until we can find a way to get money and corporations out of politics this cycle will just continue to happen over and over.
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03-24-2020, 12:03 AM
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youre choosing to focus on an issue that is meaningless in comparison to the scale of the issue almost implying the 1% are more important than the 99%.Which scholarly acclaimed literature contained this ground breaking information?
We’ve already had a week here of every retard, and their new found expertise in microbiology, claiming the health service is ‘cooking the books’ by blaming more deaths on Covid 19 than actually the virus is responsible for.
It’s already been rubbished, yes already ill people elderly are highest risk, but there are many who didn’t have preexisting conditions and young seriously ill.
What people don’t realise is, the more young fit people who are attacked by the virus, the more it has the potential to mutate and become more aggressive.
We’ve already had a week here of every retard, and their new found expertise in microbiology, claiming the health service is ‘cooking the books’ by blaming more deaths on Covid 19 than actually the virus is responsible for.
It’s already been rubbished, yes already ill people elderly are highest risk, but there are many who didn’t have preexisting conditions and young seriously ill.
What people don’t realise is, the more young fit people who are attacked by the virus, the more it has the potential to mutate and become more aggressive.
are you implying we should ruin the world because 1 in a million people who are young also had some mild side effects in their immunity? Or how is that statement even useful?
Just people constantly focusing on the wrong things. Where is your concern for the economy and the lower class people who are in huge trouble trying to survive on a logistical level with everything shut down. certain specific scenarios can be life threatening for those who are homeless or not prepared.
But you just want to parrot that outlier case of some younger person having complications.
The point is the amounts and averages, not the fact that it has happened 1% of the time. stop exaggerating and being intellectually deceptive about your summations. its akin to lying.
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03-24-2020, 12:06 AM
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Theres a difference between economic cycles and complete tanking of unprecedented proportions if this were to continue. Again, we aren't commies so our system is more sensitive.this is the truth! have a B.S. in economics and am working on my masters.. we were talking about when the economy was going to collapse in Dec. all this virus stuff just expedited the inevitable
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Guess 911 wasn't a big deal using your potato logic since more people die in car accidents too.
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Originally Posted By gixxer0.6g⏩
millions of people smoke...for 40 years then die.From smoking.
And another 7,500 from being a fat ass
But we are going to destroy our economy from the a washed down flu?
And another 7,500 from being a fat ass
But we are going to destroy our economy from the a washed down flu?
This virus is a SARS type virus not a flu, and it can kill without treatment in weeks...
just a flu bro, better shutdown every economy in the world eh?
03-24-2020, 05:27 AM
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most people that have it don't even know it. Tha'ts what they keep saying on TV. I mean how bad can it be if people don't even notice anything wrong LOL
To destroy the country over this is crazy!
To destroy the country over this is crazy!
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causing fear and hysteria is what the media is good at. thankfully i left the US before his nonsense hit full force, can imagine the ****show it's become.
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What most of the retards ITT are missing is that the relatively low death rate we're currently seeing is WITH SUFFICIENT MEDICAL TREATMENT
Those ICU patients? Many of whom are young even though they rarely die rn.....Deadif the health service collapses. The mortality rate will rocket if the healthcare infrastructure is overwhelmed. Add in all the other additional death that will be caused from other patients not receiving care.
That is what they are trying to prevent, because a huge spike cannot be handled...... There is afractionof the ICU beds needed if this was just left to run through the population.
"huuuuurrr but muh 'conomy" - how do you think "the ecomony" will react to a collapse in social order, mass outrage, and a vast amount of unnecessary suffering that would likely follow the collapse of health care systems?
Those ICU patients? Many of whom are young even though they rarely die rn.....Deadif the health service collapses. The mortality rate will rocket if the healthcare infrastructure is overwhelmed. Add in all the other additional death that will be caused from other patients not receiving care.
That is what they are trying to prevent, because a huge spike cannot be handled...... There is afractionof the ICU beds needed if this was just left to run through the population.
"huuuuurrr but muh 'conomy" - how do you think "the ecomony" will react to a collapse in social order, mass outrage, and a vast amount of unnecessary suffering that would likely follow the collapse of health care systems?
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The obvious solution is to open everything back up for healthy 50 and unders. Rip the bandaid off and spread this thing like wildfire. Human immunity is the only effective solution. Let's get it over with and thin the herd.
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03-24-2020, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted By TimeTraveler666⏩
causing fear and hysteria is what the media is good at. thankfully i left the US before his nonsense hit full force, can imagine the ****show it's become.

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That's not true. And I'm telling you that as someone with loved ones in Italy.Yeah; but what about dying from a condition which you WOULD HAVE DIED FROM ANYWAY EVENTUALLY, and was just accelerated by the virus?
Anyway I read an article that basically anyone that dies right now in Italy they're blaming COVID-19 which is why the death rates are so high there compared to anywhere else.
Anyway I read an article that basically anyone that dies right now in Italy they're blaming COVID-19 which is why the death rates are so high there compared to anywhere else.
Yes the disease is basically an aggressive flu (a good flu is pretty bad for ya). Yes mainly old people and fragile people die from it. But it is no joke. You basically fight it by controlling and keeping it at bay so your hospitals don't get overrun because that's when lots of people start dying and even healthy people are at risk. It's very treatable but it seems to be spreading more quickly than anticipated. If the numbers are skewed in any way than it's in the numbers of total infected people, because a lot of people remain asymptomatic.
In Italy they were overrun, countries like Belgium or Germany are coping with decent measures in due time. China and South Korea are beating it with extreme measures before the point of no return.
America is playing with fire. Act quickly and you'll beat it rather well. But America has not really been vigilant. Stay inside and avoid contact with people, don't treat it like nothing and make sure your fragile loved ones understand the dangers.
It's only as dangerous as you allow it to be.
For the economy to recover ASAP, you need to beat it ASAP. Respond adequately.
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Possible side effects of having coronavirus
- Make both males and females sterile
- Permanent lung damage
- Permanent kidney damage
- Permanent liver damage
- Permanent brain damage (looks like it can invade nervous system and the brain in some cases)
- Virus may invade your bloodstream and cause blood clots
- Virus may cause heart failure
- Virus may invade bacteria and live in your gut forever
- Neuromuscular damage
These are just a few of the possible side effects og having corona, there are likely many more. None of these are proven yet, but studies suggest that all of these are possible, and several patients have had these side effecs. The point is we don´t know the long term effects yet, therefore caution is good to have. Some of you miscers can´t see any longer than the tip of your nose.
- Make both males and females sterile
- Permanent lung damage
- Permanent kidney damage
- Permanent liver damage
- Permanent brain damage (looks like it can invade nervous system and the brain in some cases)
- Virus may invade your bloodstream and cause blood clots
- Virus may cause heart failure
- Virus may invade bacteria and live in your gut forever
- Neuromuscular damage
These are just a few of the possible side effects og having corona, there are likely many more. None of these are proven yet, but studies suggest that all of these are possible, and several patients have had these side effecs. The point is we don´t know the long term effects yet, therefore caution is good to have. Some of you miscers can´t see any longer than the tip of your nose.
03-24-2020, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
sauce????I expect this two week lockdown will be effective enough for the goal of hospital bedsespecially with the new cocktail that speeds up recovery and prevents death.
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Originally Posted By W1LLW⏩
Choloroquine and z pack. Trump was talking about it on the press briefing last night.sauce????
03-24-2020, 07:19 AM
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Worth reading.
This is a long post addressing two underlying issues with the current response to the pandemic that leave me concerned. It’s the longest post I’ve ever written.
For those of you not taking action, or believing the pandemic to be “over hyped”, you can make fun of me as much as you want now or when this is over. You can make me the subject of memes and post it everywhere. I will pose for the picture. I am not trying to convince you, but I do feel compelled to share information that I deem critical to all of us, which is why I am posting this at all.
WHY YOU SHOULD TAKE 5 MINUTES TO READ AND CONSIDER THE INFORMATION I AM SHARING:
For those of you who don’t know me well, I am analytical and metered. I don’t freak out nor do I respond emotionally. I also don’t post a bunch of bull**** or political or controversial stuff on ********. I founded and am CEO of a successful software company that provides SaaS based data, analytics, and dashboards to recruiting departments at companies we all know. As you would expect, I am data driven and fact based. Before founding my company I held executive roles leading very large recruiting teams at some of the world's fastest growing companies such as Starbucks and Google. At Google I was fortunate enough to report to Sheryl Sandberg before she took the ******** COO role. I was a Chemical Engineering major in college and have a business degree from a top undergraduate business school. I am not one for hyperbole or histrionics. My bull**** factor is close to zero.
I share all this personal information only to help solidify that this post may be worth reading and sharing with others. I would encourage you to forward or share this post at your discretion. Many people do not understand what is happening with the pandemic to the degree required which is why I took the time to write this and share this on ********.
Now that I've gotten the introduction out of the way, here are two issues I want to bring to everyone’s attention.
ISSUE ONE: SOCIAL NORMS ARE POWERFUL MOTIVATORS AND GETTING IN THE WAY OF PEOPLE TAKING THE RIGHT STEPS IN RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC:
One of the current problems with addressing the pandemic is the social pressures of taking action today. It's awkward, and feels like an over-reaction. The reason it feels like an overreaction is that most people OVERWEIGHT the currently reported cases and inherently UNDERWEIGHT the mathematics of how the virus is spreading and what will happen in about 30 days time. This is because our brains tend to think linearly as opposed to logarithmically. It’s the same reason many people don’t save for retirement or understand compound interest.
To create a new social norm, human beings like to see behavior modeled. This serves as a signal that says, “oh, someone else is doing it so I should do it also.”
SO HERE IS A SOCIAL BENCHMARK FOR REFERENCE - THIS IS WHAT I’VE DONE FOR MY FAMILY TO DATE:
I have already isolated my family. We have canceled EVERYTHING. We have canceled previously scheduled doctor visits. Social get togethers. Normal routine meetings. Everything has been canceled. It's difficult and socially awkward. Some of you think I’m crazy, but I’m doing it not because I am afraid, but because I am good at math (more on that in part 2). I had to have my 16 year old daughter quit her job coaching junior gymnasts at the local gym, with one day’s notice and also tell my kids they can't attend youth group at church. Both of those were tough discussions. I told a very close friend he shouldn’t stay at my house this weekend even though he was planning to and had booked his flight from the Bay Area. I canceled another dear friend’s visit for later this month to go snowboarding on Mt Bachelor.
We are not eating out. Our kids are already doing online school so we don’t have to make changes there. I would not send my kids to school even if they were in public or private school. We have eliminated all non-essential contact with other people. We will only venture out to grocery shop when required. We will still go outside to parks, go mountain biking, hiking, and recreate to keep ourselves sane and do other things as a family, just not with other people. We have stocked up on food and have a supply for ~2 months. We have stocked up on other goods that if depleted would create hardship, like medicines and feminine hygiene products. We have planned for shortages of essential items.
THE REASON I HAVE CHOSEN THIS ROUTE FOR MY FAMILY IS MULTI FACETED:
1. Although my family is considered low risk (I’m 49 in good health, Angi is 46 and in good health, and our kids are 14 and 16), we must assume that the healthcare system cannot help us, because the hospitals will become overwhelmed very quickly. Most American hospitals will become overwhelmed in approximately 30 days unless something changes. More on this in part 2 below. So although we are in great health and unlikely to become gravely ill, the risk is greater if you do not have access to the medical care that you need. This is something for everyone to consider. As a society we are accustomed to having access to the best medical care available. Our medical system will be overwhelmed unless we practice social distancing at scale. That said, the medical teams in Italy are seeing an alarming number of cases from people in their 40s and 50s.
2. It’s not a matter of if social distancing will take place, it’s a matter of when. This is because social distancing is the only way to stop the virus today. As I will explain in part 2 below, starting now is FAR more effective than starting even 2 days from now or tomorrow. This has been proven by Italy and China (and soon to be France and other European countries who have been slow to respond.). Wuhan went on lockdown after roughly 400 cases were identified (and they had access to testing that America has systematically failed to do well to date). The US already has more than 4 times this number of known infected cases as Wuhan did when it was shut down, and our citizens are far more mobile and therefore spreading the virus more broadly when compared to Wuhan. Yet our response is tepid at best.
If hand washing and “being smart” were sufficient Italy would not be in crisis. So I pray the draconian measures are coming from our government, because they are required to stop the spread of the virus. It’s better to start sooner than later as the cost is actually far greater if we wait. I pray they close all schools and non-essential services the way that Italy and China have done.
3. Spreading the virus puts those in the high-risk category at much greater risk. This is the moral argument. It’s a strong argument because there are only two ways, as of today, that the virus can be stopped: let it run its course and infect 100s of millions of people, or social distancing. There is no other way today. If you don’t practice social distancing, people downstream from you that you transmit the virus to will die, and many will suffer.
4. The risk of infection is increasing exponentially, because the quantity of infected people, most who will not show symptoms, is doubling every three days. So the longer you wait to self-isolate, the greater the chance of you or someone you love becoming infected and then you infecting others because more of the population is becoming infected. There are twice as many infected people today as there was on Tuesday.
5. The virus is already in your town. It’s everywhere. Cases are typically only discovered when someone gets sick enough to seek medical attention. This is important as it typically takes ~5 days to START showing ANY symptoms. Here’s the math: For every known case there are approximately 50 unknown cases. This is because if I become sick, I infect several people today, and they infect a few people each tomorrow (as do I), and the total count of infected people doubles every 3 days until I get so sick I get hospitalized or get tested and become a “known case”. But in the time it takes me to figure out I am sick 50 others downline from me now have the virus. So every third day the infection rate doubles until I get so sick that I realize I have the virus an am hospitalized or otherwise tested. Harvard and Massachusetts General Hospital estimate that there are 50x more infections than known infections as reported (citation below). The implication of this is that the virus is already “everywhere” and spreading regardless if your city has zero, few or many reported cases. So instead of the 1573 reported known cases today there are likely 78,650 cases, at least, in the United States. Which will double to 157,300 by this Sunday. And this will double to 314,600 cases by this coming Wednesday. So in less than 1 week the number of total infected in the United States will quadruple. This is the nature of exponential math. It’s actually unfortunate that we are publishing the figures for known cases as it diverts attention away from more important numbers (like the range of estimated actual cases).
6. Some people cannot, or will not, practice social distancing for a variety of reasons and will continue to spread the virus to many people. So everyone else must start today.
The reasons above are why I have begun to practice social distancing. It’s not easy. But you should do it too.
The hospitals will be at capacity and there are not enough ventilators. You will hear a lot about this issue in the coming few weeks... the shortage of ventilators.
ISSUE TWO: MANY PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ON THE WRONG NUMBERS:
Yes, the virus only kills a small percentage of those afflicted. Yes, the flu kills 10s of thousands of people annually. Yes, 80% of people will experience lightweight symptoms with COVID19. Yes the mortality rate of COVID19 is relatively low (1-2%). ll of this true, but is immaterial. They are the wrong numbers to focus on...
The nature of exponential math is that the infection rates start slowly, and then goes off like a bomb and overwhelms the hospitals. You will understand this math clearly in the next section if you do the short math exercise. Evergreen hospital in Seattle is already in triage. I have heard credible reports from people on the ground that they are already becoming overwhelmed. And the bomb won't really go off for a few more days. Probably by Wednesday, March 18th (next week). In just a few days from now we will hear grave reports from Seattle hospitals.
You should assume the virus is everywhere at this point, even if you have no confirmed cases in your area.
YOU SHOULD DO THIS SIMPLE 2 MINUTE MATH EXERCISE (NO REALLY TAKE TWO MINUTES AND DO IT):
To further understand exponential growth, take the number of confirmed cases in your area and multiply by 10 (or 50 if you believe Harvard and Massachusetts General estimations) to account for the cases that are not yet confirmed. If you have no confirmed cases choose a small number. I’d suggest 10 cases in your city, if no cases are yet reported. But you can use whatever number you like. This number of infected people doubles every ~3 days as the infection spreads. So literally take your number, and multiply by 2. Then do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again. Do this multiplication exercise 10 times in total.
2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x (the number of estimated infections in your city today (not just the reported cases)).
This result is the estimate for the actual cases in your area 30 days from now. The math will take 30 seconds to complete with a calculator and it’s worth doing the math to see how it grows. This end number is the number of cases in your city 30 days from today if a large percentage of the population do not practice social distancing.
This is a long post addressing two underlying issues with the current response to the pandemic that leave me concerned. It’s the longest post I’ve ever written.
For those of you not taking action, or believing the pandemic to be “over hyped”, you can make fun of me as much as you want now or when this is over. You can make me the subject of memes and post it everywhere. I will pose for the picture. I am not trying to convince you, but I do feel compelled to share information that I deem critical to all of us, which is why I am posting this at all.
WHY YOU SHOULD TAKE 5 MINUTES TO READ AND CONSIDER THE INFORMATION I AM SHARING:
For those of you who don’t know me well, I am analytical and metered. I don’t freak out nor do I respond emotionally. I also don’t post a bunch of bull**** or political or controversial stuff on ********. I founded and am CEO of a successful software company that provides SaaS based data, analytics, and dashboards to recruiting departments at companies we all know. As you would expect, I am data driven and fact based. Before founding my company I held executive roles leading very large recruiting teams at some of the world's fastest growing companies such as Starbucks and Google. At Google I was fortunate enough to report to Sheryl Sandberg before she took the ******** COO role. I was a Chemical Engineering major in college and have a business degree from a top undergraduate business school. I am not one for hyperbole or histrionics. My bull**** factor is close to zero.
I share all this personal information only to help solidify that this post may be worth reading and sharing with others. I would encourage you to forward or share this post at your discretion. Many people do not understand what is happening with the pandemic to the degree required which is why I took the time to write this and share this on ********.
Now that I've gotten the introduction out of the way, here are two issues I want to bring to everyone’s attention.
ISSUE ONE: SOCIAL NORMS ARE POWERFUL MOTIVATORS AND GETTING IN THE WAY OF PEOPLE TAKING THE RIGHT STEPS IN RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC:
One of the current problems with addressing the pandemic is the social pressures of taking action today. It's awkward, and feels like an over-reaction. The reason it feels like an overreaction is that most people OVERWEIGHT the currently reported cases and inherently UNDERWEIGHT the mathematics of how the virus is spreading and what will happen in about 30 days time. This is because our brains tend to think linearly as opposed to logarithmically. It’s the same reason many people don’t save for retirement or understand compound interest.
To create a new social norm, human beings like to see behavior modeled. This serves as a signal that says, “oh, someone else is doing it so I should do it also.”
SO HERE IS A SOCIAL BENCHMARK FOR REFERENCE - THIS IS WHAT I’VE DONE FOR MY FAMILY TO DATE:
I have already isolated my family. We have canceled EVERYTHING. We have canceled previously scheduled doctor visits. Social get togethers. Normal routine meetings. Everything has been canceled. It's difficult and socially awkward. Some of you think I’m crazy, but I’m doing it not because I am afraid, but because I am good at math (more on that in part 2). I had to have my 16 year old daughter quit her job coaching junior gymnasts at the local gym, with one day’s notice and also tell my kids they can't attend youth group at church. Both of those were tough discussions. I told a very close friend he shouldn’t stay at my house this weekend even though he was planning to and had booked his flight from the Bay Area. I canceled another dear friend’s visit for later this month to go snowboarding on Mt Bachelor.
We are not eating out. Our kids are already doing online school so we don’t have to make changes there. I would not send my kids to school even if they were in public or private school. We have eliminated all non-essential contact with other people. We will only venture out to grocery shop when required. We will still go outside to parks, go mountain biking, hiking, and recreate to keep ourselves sane and do other things as a family, just not with other people. We have stocked up on food and have a supply for ~2 months. We have stocked up on other goods that if depleted would create hardship, like medicines and feminine hygiene products. We have planned for shortages of essential items.
THE REASON I HAVE CHOSEN THIS ROUTE FOR MY FAMILY IS MULTI FACETED:
1. Although my family is considered low risk (I’m 49 in good health, Angi is 46 and in good health, and our kids are 14 and 16), we must assume that the healthcare system cannot help us, because the hospitals will become overwhelmed very quickly. Most American hospitals will become overwhelmed in approximately 30 days unless something changes. More on this in part 2 below. So although we are in great health and unlikely to become gravely ill, the risk is greater if you do not have access to the medical care that you need. This is something for everyone to consider. As a society we are accustomed to having access to the best medical care available. Our medical system will be overwhelmed unless we practice social distancing at scale. That said, the medical teams in Italy are seeing an alarming number of cases from people in their 40s and 50s.
2. It’s not a matter of if social distancing will take place, it’s a matter of when. This is because social distancing is the only way to stop the virus today. As I will explain in part 2 below, starting now is FAR more effective than starting even 2 days from now or tomorrow. This has been proven by Italy and China (and soon to be France and other European countries who have been slow to respond.). Wuhan went on lockdown after roughly 400 cases were identified (and they had access to testing that America has systematically failed to do well to date). The US already has more than 4 times this number of known infected cases as Wuhan did when it was shut down, and our citizens are far more mobile and therefore spreading the virus more broadly when compared to Wuhan. Yet our response is tepid at best.
If hand washing and “being smart” were sufficient Italy would not be in crisis. So I pray the draconian measures are coming from our government, because they are required to stop the spread of the virus. It’s better to start sooner than later as the cost is actually far greater if we wait. I pray they close all schools and non-essential services the way that Italy and China have done.
3. Spreading the virus puts those in the high-risk category at much greater risk. This is the moral argument. It’s a strong argument because there are only two ways, as of today, that the virus can be stopped: let it run its course and infect 100s of millions of people, or social distancing. There is no other way today. If you don’t practice social distancing, people downstream from you that you transmit the virus to will die, and many will suffer.
4. The risk of infection is increasing exponentially, because the quantity of infected people, most who will not show symptoms, is doubling every three days. So the longer you wait to self-isolate, the greater the chance of you or someone you love becoming infected and then you infecting others because more of the population is becoming infected. There are twice as many infected people today as there was on Tuesday.
5. The virus is already in your town. It’s everywhere. Cases are typically only discovered when someone gets sick enough to seek medical attention. This is important as it typically takes ~5 days to START showing ANY symptoms. Here’s the math: For every known case there are approximately 50 unknown cases. This is because if I become sick, I infect several people today, and they infect a few people each tomorrow (as do I), and the total count of infected people doubles every 3 days until I get so sick I get hospitalized or get tested and become a “known case”. But in the time it takes me to figure out I am sick 50 others downline from me now have the virus. So every third day the infection rate doubles until I get so sick that I realize I have the virus an am hospitalized or otherwise tested. Harvard and Massachusetts General Hospital estimate that there are 50x more infections than known infections as reported (citation below). The implication of this is that the virus is already “everywhere” and spreading regardless if your city has zero, few or many reported cases. So instead of the 1573 reported known cases today there are likely 78,650 cases, at least, in the United States. Which will double to 157,300 by this Sunday. And this will double to 314,600 cases by this coming Wednesday. So in less than 1 week the number of total infected in the United States will quadruple. This is the nature of exponential math. It’s actually unfortunate that we are publishing the figures for known cases as it diverts attention away from more important numbers (like the range of estimated actual cases).
6. Some people cannot, or will not, practice social distancing for a variety of reasons and will continue to spread the virus to many people. So everyone else must start today.
The reasons above are why I have begun to practice social distancing. It’s not easy. But you should do it too.
The hospitals will be at capacity and there are not enough ventilators. You will hear a lot about this issue in the coming few weeks... the shortage of ventilators.
ISSUE TWO: MANY PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ON THE WRONG NUMBERS:
Yes, the virus only kills a small percentage of those afflicted. Yes, the flu kills 10s of thousands of people annually. Yes, 80% of people will experience lightweight symptoms with COVID19. Yes the mortality rate of COVID19 is relatively low (1-2%). ll of this true, but is immaterial. They are the wrong numbers to focus on...
The nature of exponential math is that the infection rates start slowly, and then goes off like a bomb and overwhelms the hospitals. You will understand this math clearly in the next section if you do the short math exercise. Evergreen hospital in Seattle is already in triage. I have heard credible reports from people on the ground that they are already becoming overwhelmed. And the bomb won't really go off for a few more days. Probably by Wednesday, March 18th (next week). In just a few days from now we will hear grave reports from Seattle hospitals.
You should assume the virus is everywhere at this point, even if you have no confirmed cases in your area.
YOU SHOULD DO THIS SIMPLE 2 MINUTE MATH EXERCISE (NO REALLY TAKE TWO MINUTES AND DO IT):
To further understand exponential growth, take the number of confirmed cases in your area and multiply by 10 (or 50 if you believe Harvard and Massachusetts General estimations) to account for the cases that are not yet confirmed. If you have no confirmed cases choose a small number. I’d suggest 10 cases in your city, if no cases are yet reported. But you can use whatever number you like. This number of infected people doubles every ~3 days as the infection spreads. So literally take your number, and multiply by 2. Then do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again. Do this multiplication exercise 10 times in total.
2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x (the number of estimated infections in your city today (not just the reported cases)).
This result is the estimate for the actual cases in your area 30 days from now. The math will take 30 seconds to complete with a calculator and it’s worth doing the math to see how it grows. This end number is the number of cases in your city 30 days from today if a large percentage of the population do not practice social distancing.
03-24-2020, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted By gixxer0.6g⏩
This only seems like a good idea until a close relative or friend of yours gets severely ill from the virus and then I'm sure you'll switch your tune.Let's get it over with and thin the herd.
Herd immunization isn't a bad idea but it needs to happen gradually rather than all at once.
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Part 2
2 to the 10th power is 1024. When something doubles 10 times, it's the same as multiplying by 1024. The infection rate of the virus doubles every 3 days. In thirty days there will be 1,024 times the number of infected people in your area as there is today if your community does not immediately put social distancing into practice. One thousand and twenty four times as many infected people as there is today, in just 30 days.
Next, divide the final number (the scary big one) you just calculated by the current population of your city and you will be able to get the percentage of people THAT YOU KNOW PERSONALLY who will be infected 30 days from now.
Next take 15% (multiply by 0.15) of that final 30 day number of total infected people. This will provide an estimate of the serious cases which will require acute medical care, and compare it to the number of beds and ventilators available at your local hospital. Google the "number of beds" and the name of your local hospital now. It takes 2 seconds and the number of beds is easy to find. 65% of beds are already occupied by patients unrelated to the coronavirus. St Charles in Bend, Oregon where I live, has 226 beds and the town is roughly 100,000 people. Most hospitals have on average, 40 or fewer ventilators.
These numbers you just calculated are the problem: Too many patients, not enough beds, and a serious shortage of ventilators (the biggest problem) if we don't immediately begint social distancing. More on this biggest problem related to the insufficient quantity of ventilators is below.
COUNTRIES THAT GET OVERWHELMED WILL HAVE A MUCH GREATER MORTALITY RATE BECAUSE THEY WON’T BE ABLE TO ADEQUATELY CARE FOR THE SICK.
And by sick I mean not just coronavirus patients. Your son or daughter that needs acute care surgery this May for his badly broken leg will be attended to by an orthopedic doctor that has been working at maximum capacity and working 18 hour shifts for 7 days every week for 6 weeks because it was required to care for all the coronavirus patients at her hospital. Or the orthopedic surgeon will be sick with the virus and your son or daughter will be operated on by a non-expert or a member of the National Guard. Your elderly Mom that has diabetes and goes into acute distress next month may not receive ANY care because the doctors are consumed and have to prioritize patients based on triage handbooks filled with success rate probabilities. Your sibling’s family that are all injured in a terrible car crash in June will have diminished care. If one of them needs a ventilator there will be none available because all of them will be in use by critical coronavirus patients. Your young friend with cancer and a compromised immune system from treatment will succumb even though the cancer was curable and the treatment was working, because their body was too fragile to combat the coronavirus due to the chemotherapy and they couldn't receive the customized, acute care required due to the hospital being overwhelmed. All of the above is currently happening in Italy, who had the same number of infections we have today just 2 weeks ago. You must start today.
The count of actual virus infections doubles every ~3 days. The news and government agencies are lagging in their response. So we hear that the US only has 1573 cases today (3/12/20), ( seehttps://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) and it doesn't seem like a lot. It would be better to report the estimated actual cases, since reported cases don’t tell us much. However, we know from China that the actual number of cases are at least an order of magnitude greater than the reported cases, because people get infected and do not display symptoms. In math, an "order of magnitude" means ten times difference, or put another way, a factor of 10. 100 is 10 times greater than 10, so it's an order of magnitude greater.
Harvard Medical School / Massachusetts General Hospital just released their estimate (recording is here:https://externalmediasite.partners.o...2f078744435a1d) that the actual cases are 50x greater than the reported cases. So we likely have 75,000 cases in the United States already. The number of reported cases is not that important.
But let’s assume the current number of cases is only 10,000 ACTUAL cases in the United States just to be conservative and model out what will happen:
If we don’t stop the virus from spreading, in 30 days we will have 2 to the 10th power more cases of infected people because the infection count doubles every 3 days (the virus doubles every 3 days and there are 10, 3 day periods in 30 days).
The math: 2 to the 10th power means 1,024 times as many cases as we have today (2 times 2 repeated 10 times).
This number is a catastrophically big problem for all of us: We will have 10 million+ actual cases (10,000 actual cases today x 1,024) in the United States in just 30 days’ time if we continue without extreme social distancing. 10 million people with the virus. And it will keep doubling every 3 days unless we practice social distancing.
15% of cases require significant medical attention, which means that 1.5 million people will require significant medical attention if 10 million people get infected (15% of 10 Million total infections = 1.5 million people requiring hospitalization).
1.5 million hospitalizations is about 50% more than we have beds for at hospitals in the United States. And 65% of all beds are already occupied in our hospitals. But patients with the virus need ICU beds, not just any old hospital bed. Only about 10% of hospital beds are considered intensive care. So we will have a huge bed shortage, but that is not the biggest problem, as we can erect temporary ICU shelters and bring in more temporary beds, as Italy has already done, and California and Washington hospitals have already done. Evergreen Hospital in Seattle has already erected temporary triage tents in the parking lot as of 3/13/20. All regular beds are full at Evergreen Hospital as of yesterday.
Once the government of China, Norway, and Italy came to understand this math, they reacted accordingly and shut EVERYTHING down. Extreme social distancing is the only response available to stop the virus today. The United States is not responding well nor are other countries like France or the UK. Countries that do not respond well will pay a much larger, catastrophic price.
But hospital beds are not the big problem. The lack of ventilators is the big problem. Most estimates peg the ventilators in the United States at roughly 100,000 to 150,000 units. Seehttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21149215(admittedlydated) andhttps://theweek.com/speedreads/90085...virus-outbreak
The primary and most serious comorbid (comorbid is a medical term that means co-existing or happening at the same time) condition brought on by the Coronavirus is something called bilateral interstitial pneumonia which requires ventilators for treatment of seriously ill patients. So if 1.5M people of the 10 million infected 30 days from now require acute care (15% of the 10M estimated total infections), 1.3M may not get the care that they need because we don’t have enough ventilators in the United States. And remember, this is only if ALL OF US EFFECTIVELY start social distancing by April 11th (30 days from today).
BUT IF WE START EXTREME SOCIAL DISTANCING BY MARCH 23 (12 days from this writing), WE AVOID OVER 1.4 MILLION PEOPLE GETTING CRITICALLY ILL AND OVERWHELMING THE HOSPITALS:
If everyone takes extreme measures to social distance, and the United States can dramatically reduce the spread of the virus 12 days from now, the math is very different, as the exponential growth will only be 2 to the 4th power (12 days divided by the doubling rate of every 3 days equals the exponent of 4):
2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 16
So instead of 10 Million cases in the United States if we wait 30 days, if we act 18 days sooner, we will have only 160,000 cases (16 times the estimated 10,000 actual cases as of today), of which 15% are likely to require critical care. This is 24,000 critical patients (a huge difference compared to 1.5 million acute patients). The difference between taking extreme measures now, versus waiting even a few days, is very large due to how exponents work in math.
THE OUTCOME IS EVEN BETTER IF WE TAKE ACTION IN THE NEXT 6 DAYS: If the vast majority of the population self isolates and implements social distancing in only 6 days from now the exponential math is 2 to the 2nd power (6 days divided by the 3 days it takes the virus to double means the exponent is only 2). In math this is "two squared".
2 x 2 = 4
Multiplied by the estimated 10,000 ACTUAL cases as of today (3/12/20) that means only 40,000 total cases will develop, 15% of which may be critical which is 6,000 critical patients.
This is why you should share this post broadly. If people begin social distancing in the next 6 days it will greatly reduce the impact on all of us. It's why they say a "post goes viral".
SOCIAL DISTANCING WILL REDUCE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY:
Finally, the longer everyone waits to practice significant social distancing the greater the economic hardship will be on all of us. Lost jobs. Mortgage defaults. Closed businesses. Bankruptcies. All will be minimized if you start social distancing today.
Some of the reasons the economic impacts will be reduced are worth mentioning: If we stop the virus now the overall duration of the outbreak will be far shorter. The stock market will normalize more quickly and recover more quickly. Businesses and people will be able to survive a shorter duration outbreak vs a longer duration outbreak. More companies will avoid bankruptcy if we begin to practice social distancing now.
This is a big financial reason to begin social distancing if you are employed by any company: if companies see that the virus is being slowe, they will be less likely to conduct layoffs. You will be more likely to be laid off or experience a job-related event if we don’t practice social distancing immediately. As an HR executive, I’ve been involved in many, many layoffs. It’s the last thing companies want to do. But if they see that the pandemic will be shorter lived vs long and drawn out, they are less likely to make the permanent decision of laying off staff.
The overall economic impact that hits your bank account will be greater if you wait or you don’t practice social distancing. This is why Norway acted now, because it’s less economic impact to take drastic measures early than to do them later, and it saves a lot of lives and suffering by doing so. And Norway has only one confirmed death as of this writing.
START TODAY. I CAN’T STRESS THIS ENOUGH. YOU MUST START TODAY.
2 to the 10th power is 1024. When something doubles 10 times, it's the same as multiplying by 1024. The infection rate of the virus doubles every 3 days. In thirty days there will be 1,024 times the number of infected people in your area as there is today if your community does not immediately put social distancing into practice. One thousand and twenty four times as many infected people as there is today, in just 30 days.
Next, divide the final number (the scary big one) you just calculated by the current population of your city and you will be able to get the percentage of people THAT YOU KNOW PERSONALLY who will be infected 30 days from now.
Next take 15% (multiply by 0.15) of that final 30 day number of total infected people. This will provide an estimate of the serious cases which will require acute medical care, and compare it to the number of beds and ventilators available at your local hospital. Google the "number of beds" and the name of your local hospital now. It takes 2 seconds and the number of beds is easy to find. 65% of beds are already occupied by patients unrelated to the coronavirus. St Charles in Bend, Oregon where I live, has 226 beds and the town is roughly 100,000 people. Most hospitals have on average, 40 or fewer ventilators.
These numbers you just calculated are the problem: Too many patients, not enough beds, and a serious shortage of ventilators (the biggest problem) if we don't immediately begint social distancing. More on this biggest problem related to the insufficient quantity of ventilators is below.
COUNTRIES THAT GET OVERWHELMED WILL HAVE A MUCH GREATER MORTALITY RATE BECAUSE THEY WON’T BE ABLE TO ADEQUATELY CARE FOR THE SICK.
And by sick I mean not just coronavirus patients. Your son or daughter that needs acute care surgery this May for his badly broken leg will be attended to by an orthopedic doctor that has been working at maximum capacity and working 18 hour shifts for 7 days every week for 6 weeks because it was required to care for all the coronavirus patients at her hospital. Or the orthopedic surgeon will be sick with the virus and your son or daughter will be operated on by a non-expert or a member of the National Guard. Your elderly Mom that has diabetes and goes into acute distress next month may not receive ANY care because the doctors are consumed and have to prioritize patients based on triage handbooks filled with success rate probabilities. Your sibling’s family that are all injured in a terrible car crash in June will have diminished care. If one of them needs a ventilator there will be none available because all of them will be in use by critical coronavirus patients. Your young friend with cancer and a compromised immune system from treatment will succumb even though the cancer was curable and the treatment was working, because their body was too fragile to combat the coronavirus due to the chemotherapy and they couldn't receive the customized, acute care required due to the hospital being overwhelmed. All of the above is currently happening in Italy, who had the same number of infections we have today just 2 weeks ago. You must start today.
The count of actual virus infections doubles every ~3 days. The news and government agencies are lagging in their response. So we hear that the US only has 1573 cases today (3/12/20), ( seehttps://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) and it doesn't seem like a lot. It would be better to report the estimated actual cases, since reported cases don’t tell us much. However, we know from China that the actual number of cases are at least an order of magnitude greater than the reported cases, because people get infected and do not display symptoms. In math, an "order of magnitude" means ten times difference, or put another way, a factor of 10. 100 is 10 times greater than 10, so it's an order of magnitude greater.
Harvard Medical School / Massachusetts General Hospital just released their estimate (recording is here:https://externalmediasite.partners.o...2f078744435a1d) that the actual cases are 50x greater than the reported cases. So we likely have 75,000 cases in the United States already. The number of reported cases is not that important.
But let’s assume the current number of cases is only 10,000 ACTUAL cases in the United States just to be conservative and model out what will happen:
If we don’t stop the virus from spreading, in 30 days we will have 2 to the 10th power more cases of infected people because the infection count doubles every 3 days (the virus doubles every 3 days and there are 10, 3 day periods in 30 days).
The math: 2 to the 10th power means 1,024 times as many cases as we have today (2 times 2 repeated 10 times).
This number is a catastrophically big problem for all of us: We will have 10 million+ actual cases (10,000 actual cases today x 1,024) in the United States in just 30 days’ time if we continue without extreme social distancing. 10 million people with the virus. And it will keep doubling every 3 days unless we practice social distancing.
15% of cases require significant medical attention, which means that 1.5 million people will require significant medical attention if 10 million people get infected (15% of 10 Million total infections = 1.5 million people requiring hospitalization).
1.5 million hospitalizations is about 50% more than we have beds for at hospitals in the United States. And 65% of all beds are already occupied in our hospitals. But patients with the virus need ICU beds, not just any old hospital bed. Only about 10% of hospital beds are considered intensive care. So we will have a huge bed shortage, but that is not the biggest problem, as we can erect temporary ICU shelters and bring in more temporary beds, as Italy has already done, and California and Washington hospitals have already done. Evergreen Hospital in Seattle has already erected temporary triage tents in the parking lot as of 3/13/20. All regular beds are full at Evergreen Hospital as of yesterday.
Once the government of China, Norway, and Italy came to understand this math, they reacted accordingly and shut EVERYTHING down. Extreme social distancing is the only response available to stop the virus today. The United States is not responding well nor are other countries like France or the UK. Countries that do not respond well will pay a much larger, catastrophic price.
But hospital beds are not the big problem. The lack of ventilators is the big problem. Most estimates peg the ventilators in the United States at roughly 100,000 to 150,000 units. Seehttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21149215(admittedlydated) andhttps://theweek.com/speedreads/90085...virus-outbreak
The primary and most serious comorbid (comorbid is a medical term that means co-existing or happening at the same time) condition brought on by the Coronavirus is something called bilateral interstitial pneumonia which requires ventilators for treatment of seriously ill patients. So if 1.5M people of the 10 million infected 30 days from now require acute care (15% of the 10M estimated total infections), 1.3M may not get the care that they need because we don’t have enough ventilators in the United States. And remember, this is only if ALL OF US EFFECTIVELY start social distancing by April 11th (30 days from today).
BUT IF WE START EXTREME SOCIAL DISTANCING BY MARCH 23 (12 days from this writing), WE AVOID OVER 1.4 MILLION PEOPLE GETTING CRITICALLY ILL AND OVERWHELMING THE HOSPITALS:
If everyone takes extreme measures to social distance, and the United States can dramatically reduce the spread of the virus 12 days from now, the math is very different, as the exponential growth will only be 2 to the 4th power (12 days divided by the doubling rate of every 3 days equals the exponent of 4):
2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 16
So instead of 10 Million cases in the United States if we wait 30 days, if we act 18 days sooner, we will have only 160,000 cases (16 times the estimated 10,000 actual cases as of today), of which 15% are likely to require critical care. This is 24,000 critical patients (a huge difference compared to 1.5 million acute patients). The difference between taking extreme measures now, versus waiting even a few days, is very large due to how exponents work in math.
THE OUTCOME IS EVEN BETTER IF WE TAKE ACTION IN THE NEXT 6 DAYS: If the vast majority of the population self isolates and implements social distancing in only 6 days from now the exponential math is 2 to the 2nd power (6 days divided by the 3 days it takes the virus to double means the exponent is only 2). In math this is "two squared".
2 x 2 = 4
Multiplied by the estimated 10,000 ACTUAL cases as of today (3/12/20) that means only 40,000 total cases will develop, 15% of which may be critical which is 6,000 critical patients.
This is why you should share this post broadly. If people begin social distancing in the next 6 days it will greatly reduce the impact on all of us. It's why they say a "post goes viral".
SOCIAL DISTANCING WILL REDUCE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY:
Finally, the longer everyone waits to practice significant social distancing the greater the economic hardship will be on all of us. Lost jobs. Mortgage defaults. Closed businesses. Bankruptcies. All will be minimized if you start social distancing today.
Some of the reasons the economic impacts will be reduced are worth mentioning: If we stop the virus now the overall duration of the outbreak will be far shorter. The stock market will normalize more quickly and recover more quickly. Businesses and people will be able to survive a shorter duration outbreak vs a longer duration outbreak. More companies will avoid bankruptcy if we begin to practice social distancing now.
This is a big financial reason to begin social distancing if you are employed by any company: if companies see that the virus is being slowe, they will be less likely to conduct layoffs. You will be more likely to be laid off or experience a job-related event if we don’t practice social distancing immediately. As an HR executive, I’ve been involved in many, many layoffs. It’s the last thing companies want to do. But if they see that the pandemic will be shorter lived vs long and drawn out, they are less likely to make the permanent decision of laying off staff.
The overall economic impact that hits your bank account will be greater if you wait or you don’t practice social distancing. This is why Norway acted now, because it’s less economic impact to take drastic measures early than to do them later, and it saves a lot of lives and suffering by doing so. And Norway has only one confirmed death as of this writing.
START TODAY. I CAN’T STRESS THIS ENOUGH. YOU MUST START TODAY.
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Originally Posted By Unstumpable⏩
You realize medications have to undergo lengthy test trials to test for effectiveness before they're approved to treat a certain virus? Just because the president says they might work, doesn't mean they can bypass said trials. Two weeks LMAO. You have no idea how this works.Choloroquine and z pack. Trump was talking about it on the press briefing last night.
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So sick of these fukking threads from single digit IQcels
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