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post 1605349891 05-19-2020, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted By AdamSMW
Imagine being so arrogant and ignorant that you just forget that some people need to put food on the table, pay their rent, internet service, water and electricity and that giving "free money" from the government is a very dangerous solution which cannot last long, imagine being so prone to panic that you think it's worth taking away the freedom of people for a virus that kills less than 1 % of people it infects, imagine being so egoist that you only think of the job you still have while other people lost their jobs and their entire business they worked most of their life to build, stay at home for the next 3 years waiting for your vaccine bro, "just 2 more weeks"
Studies have shown that the long term damage will be worse for the economy without a lockdown. Yeah, it sucks. But no one is going to be going out and eating in restaurants anyway. You people act like if you open it up, people are going to be going out and spending money, but most people still won't do that. The only thing that stopping lockdown does is force people to go into work and be unable to get unemployment now (which is why the right wing overlords are pushing for it)
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Originally Posted By Farley1324
Scientists Are Tired of Explaining Why The COVID-19 Virus Was Not Made in a Lab

https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-...n-a-lab-rumour

It's a rumour that just won't die. When asked whether the COVID-19 virus was genetically engineered in a lab, scientists have already said "no" rather firmly, but the matter of the new coronavirus' origin is unlikely to be put to rest so easily.

Discussions around this subject have become even more pertinent since US government intelligence officials are reportedly investigating the potential source of the pandemic, focussing on theories that it may have originated in a laboratory, despite all evidence pointing to SARS-CoV-2 not being human-made.

"All evidence so far points to the fact the COVID-19 virus is naturally derived and not man-made," explains immunologist Nigel McMillan from the Menzies Health Institute Queensland.

"If you were going to design it in a lab the sequence changes make no sense as all previous evidence would tell you it would make the virus worse.No system exists in the lab to make some of the changes found."

Back in late March, we covered a study published in Nature Medicine, in which the researchers investigated the genomic data of SARS-CoV-2 - particularly the receptor-binding domain (RBD) sections of the virus - to try and discover how it mutated into the virulent and deadly version we're currently struggling to contain.

As a by-product of their research, they were able to determine that SARS-CoV-2 was not genetically manipulated.

"By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes," one of the researchers, Scripps Research immunologist Kristian Andersen, said at the time.

"Two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2."

Although it is clear the virus was not created in the lab,
there have been ongoing concerns it may have 'escaped' a research facility, with most of the speculation - understandably - focussed on the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). However, it remains just speculation. The Washington Post recently reported that US embassy officials had safety concerns about the lab back in 2018, and the institute did keep a closely related bat virus - but even that's far from a smoking gun.

"The closest known relative of SARS-CoV-2 is a bat virus named RaTG13, which was kept at the WIV. There is some unfounded speculation that this virus was the origin of SARS-CoV-2," explains University of Sydney evolutionary virologist, Edward Holmes.

"However, RaTG13 was sampled from a different province of China (Yunnan) to where COVID-19 first appeared and the level of genome sequence divergence between SARS-CoV-2 and RaTG13 is equivalent to an average of 50 years (and at least 20 years) of evolutionary change."

Now, it is important to note that viruses can mutate naturally anywhere - in animal hosts, in humans, or even in laboratory cell cultures. Unfortunately, it's difficult to determine where and how the new coronavirus acquired its mutations, although most researchers think the process involved an animal host.

Additionally, researchers are still investigating if the necessary mutations for causing the new disease occurred before or after SARS-CoV-2 made the jump to humans.

The institute at the centre of the controversy has repeatedly denied accusations of being the source of the pandemic. Back in March, head of bat coronavirus research at WIV, Shi Zhengli, explained that when she first received samples from early COVID-19 patients, she immediately did a thorough investigation at her department, finding no match between the viruses her lab had been working on, and COVID-19 patients.

"That really took a load off my mind," she told Scientific American. "I had not slept a wink for days."

What experts do agree on is that a pandemic like this is no surprise. Scientists have been warning governments for years that a new disease was on the horizon, and that many countries were woefully under-prepared.

For example, the director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Anthony Fauci, told the incoming US government administration in January 2017 about the inevitability of a "surprise outbreak", urging them to make preparations.

"We've been aware for some time that another coronavirus, like SARS and MERS before it, could cause a pandemic, and so in many ways, the emergence of a new coronavirus with pandemic potential is not a surprise," explains La Trobe University epidemiologist Hassan Vally.

"We have to be careful to not aid those irresponsibly using this global crisis for political point-scoring by giving any oxygen to these and other rumours."
See post 175. I pretty sure one of those videos explains how it takes upwards of 800 years for a regular coronavirus to "build-in" HIV, SARS, and MERS inclusions on it naturally.
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Originally Posted By mp83
Studies have shown that the long term damage will be worse for the economy without a lockdown. Yeah, it sucks. But no one is going to be going out and eating in restaurants anyway. You people act like if you open it up, people are going to be going out and spending money, but most people still won't do that. The only thing that stopping lockdown does is force people to go into work and be unable to get unemployment now (which is why the right wing overlords are pushing for it)
I will be out and about the day lockdown ends. I will be camping in a tent outside my gym, and before my warmups will lick every barbell in the gym.

I know MANY people that are over this and will resume their lives immediately as well.
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Originally Posted By jamalfudge
See post 175. I pretty sure one of those videos explains how it takes upwards of 800 years for a regular coronavirus to "build-in" HIV, SARS, and MERS inclusions on it naturally.
Yeah...and the earth is only 6,000 years old too I bet
Originally Posted By xbluexhawkx
I will be out and about the day lockdown ends. I will be camping in a tent outside my gym, and before my warmups will lick every barbell in the gym.

I know MANY people that are over this and will resume their lives immediately as well.
^Which is precisely why so many lockdowns are being continued or extended. I hope extended lockdowns is what you want, 'cause that's what you're campaigning for here
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Originally Posted By Farley1324
Lots of people have said that, taken an antibody test, and come back negative. It's, like, 'a thing' lol
I have had a sore throat every day for the 5 months since.

Every day.

Still do although it is fading somewhat now.

I did get the swab in the nose test which came back negative.

But I got the test 4 months after I was really sick. I did not get the anti body test. Back in Dec. I had a dry Cough. Fever. Achy. I even had both the top of my feet turn a VERY dark shade of black and blue out of nowhere. One in Jan and one in early Feb.

Trust me, I had it. Sore throat is probably the remnants of it.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324
Yeah...and the earth is only 6,000 years old too I bet
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Originally Posted By rjones416
crazy how freedomcels are still crying about this. if you dont have an essential job then stay home and collect welfare.
easy for you to say. You dont have to worry about unemployment running out one day then having to look for a job during a 2nd great depression, get fukt *******, you probably stock shelves
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Originally Posted By mp83
Studies have shown that the long term damage will be worse for the economy without a lockdown. Yeah, it sucks. But no one is going to be going out and eating in restaurants anyway. You people act like if you open it up, people are going to be going out and spending money, but most people still won't do that. The only thing that stopping lockdown does is force people to go into work and be unable to get unemployment now (which is why the right wing overlords are pushing for it)
I agree. Which is why I believe the stock market rally is VERY VERY overbought. Just because places open does not mean all of the people scared by covid, and there are plenty, will flock back to bars, restaurants, stores etc. And forget about tourism like cruises, Vegas, sporting events, concerts etc. A city like Vegas will have all of their hotels open soon but only 50% occupancy in the hotels, 25% gambling, limited restaurants open, and no clubs. Many of these places will have to spend fully on expenses to be open but only take in half the revs.
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Originally Posted By mp83
Look at the outbreak in Brazil vs the outbreak in places that did lockdowns. It is a huge difference. How is such a dumbass able to get 350k reps?
I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture. The lock doesn't down matter because it's not over. The virus is going to continue to spread and eventually infect everyone because a vaccine isn't going to be out before that happens. Countries that rely on lockdowns are going to keep having second/third/fourth resurgences of the virus vs countries that let herd immunity handle it.

This is going to be the new flu. Yeah, lets destroy the world economy because of it
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Originally Posted By dannyg1217
Let me know when Sweden has their second wave
Not trying to make this political but I find it interesting that right wingers are saying "look at Sweden" when it comes to how they handled corona but not for anything else they do (socialism, etc.) Talk about cherry picking.
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Lockdown is a joke. At this point I know many people who are so fed up and will resist it hard if they try it again, 2nd wave or not
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Originally Posted By HairyWBush
what would you call the current situation in new york, where there is military, in and out, of a fenced in where NOBODY gives anyone the time of day inquiring about what the **** it is, nobody wants to talk about operation gotham 2020, there is testing going on with the communist china esque surveillance and ratings system, the governor orders every business to bar anyone from walking in without a mask, a simple dog park is closed, the state has had no hope to reopening, cuomo purposely fukked with the nursing homes by discharging hospitalized patients to nursing homes, new york has shown to be practically opposite of what they're reporting, ny/nj fuk with the influenza cases to unleash these impractical draconian rules that are supposed to magically stop this virus from spreading, yet it's sooo contagious we'll have a 2nd wave, Governor Andrew Cuomo banned the use of HCQ in the entire state of New York on March 6. why would you ban something that proves to be fairly effective? hmm
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...bill/6666/texthmm a new order to trace people

ok Fauci. Fauci is a deep state fukin fraud. he has promoted the unhealthy mantra of social distancing/isolation and shutdown since the beginning. he has discontent to anything but a god damn vaccine, including hydroxycloroquine, yet spoke positively about it in 2005 about coronaviruses.https://onenewsnow.com/perspectives/...0OP7kSF-DOcoO8
Fauci ALSO has NOT spoken about how to keep yourself healthy during this whole thing, except stay inside, stay isolated, and do as I say and wear a mask. he does not promote the free will of taking vitamins. Vitamins are essential to staying healthy, we all know this. yet here,https://www.washingtonian.com/2016/0...eople-all-day/he tells you howhestays healthy. howhedoesn't get sick.

all signs point towards this thing being made in a lab. the missing chinese lab scientist nobody found, the chinese scientist that was the first to speak up about it, then ordered to silence himself, the ccp covered this whole thing up (https://www.victimsofcommunism.org/s...virus-pandemic) event 201(you're welcome to form your own opinion on that, I don't care), they tell you the thing is not transmitted from animals, but they tell you it came from a bat. Calling you stupid right to your face.

the severity was estimated in the hundreds of thousands, yet they 1. resort to altering deaths. 2. stop reporting OTHER deaths. new Jersey stopped reporting on influenza all together on February 29 of this year. STOPPED. NO REPORTS. NY just drastically dropped off. I guess COVID's the only thing people get in 2020.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5f_6ltv7oI
1) Can't really comment on NY/NJ since I don't live there. Nor can I really comment about the nursing homes thing. Seems like a dumb move since they reversed the decision a week ago too.
As for the HCQ, here's a study done recentlyhttps://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2012410which says they couldn't find proof of HCQ being either good or bad for end-stage COVID patients (those intubated).

2) Social distancing has been proved to be effective: see Surgeon General, CDC, FDA, WHO guidelines. As for the vitamins part, you can't really fault him for not recommending vitamins because people will use that to twist his words, eg. "Fauci says upping vitamin D intake helps coronavirus, here's why that's false." People high up in medical fields can't just recommend things willy nilly since they're looked to as experts.
Can't comment on the back-and-forth about masks. That was plain stupidity.
I read the article regarding HCQ trials done by James Todaro. However, if you read the link I posted above, many more MDs are stating that HCQ hasn't been proven to be effective for even end-stage COVID patients, let alone the claims that it can prevent it entirely.

3) Not denying that it wasn't released by a lab in China. All I know is that coronaviruses are found in the wild bat population. Doesn't mean that they haven't been experimenting with it in labs.

4) That can be attributed to a lack of testing, but I can't comment 100% on that. Also, if you could post a .org study regarding the funeral homes and/or inflated numbers, I'd appreciate it. No offense, but I've seen enough of Project Veritas videos' to know that I don't trust their reporting.
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lol...libs are anything if predictable. In 2 weeks...2 more weeks...2nd wave.

How about we just be adults and let adults make their own choices and live with the consequences?
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Originally Posted By dmike100
lol...libs are anything if predictable. In 2 weeks...2 more weeks...2nd wave.

How about we just be adults and let adults make their own choices and live with the consequences?
No!

The good little boys ITT LOVE being told what to do by the government!

The government knows whats best!
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Originally Posted By HomeGym4TheWin
Not trying to make this political but I find it interesting that right wingers are saying "look at Sweden" when it comes to how they handled corona but not for anything else they do (socialism, etc.) Talk about cherry picking.
thats not what cherry-picking is. sweedens socialism has dick to do with coronavirus. jesus libs are nauseating with their complete lack of logic.
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Originally Posted By HomeGym4TheWin
Not trying to make this political but I find it interesting that right wingers are saying "look at Sweden" when it comes to how they handled corona but not for anything else they do (socialism, etc.) Talk about cherry picking.
their socialism has nothing to do with lockdowns. The rest of the world looked to China for how to deal with this, the biggest human rights violators are now showing us the way.
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if you want to follow COMMUNIST china and abandon your civil liberties over a virus that has an average death age ABOVE the national life expectancy then you are a cucklord.

this is america, we believe in personal responsibility. protect yourself if you are scared of a relatively benign virus but dont force me to be a bitch like you
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Originally Posted By rjones416
crazy how freedomcels are still crying about this. if you dont have an essential job then stay home and collect welfare.
They cant. They live a suburban lifestyle in a bubble. They feel they are immune to any and all outside attacks. They grew up without being told what to do and got everything they want, when they want.

They cannot comprehend barriers and boundaries.


Like someone said earlier. To them its "just the flu" until it comes into their neighborhood, knocking on their door, infecting their loved ones. Then their tune changes because that suburban bubble has been burst
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Originally Posted By Sevenlionz
Lockdown is a joke. At this point I know many people who are so fed up and will resist it hard if they try it again, 2nd wave or not
I hope so, I live in the liberal run Denver area and everyone is eating up all this government control and asking for seconds.
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Originally Posted By dannyg1217
Let me know when Sweden has their second wave
What's with neo-nazis/Trump supporters/Idiots romanticizing Sweden's response to this pandemic?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-he...-idUKKBN22V26V
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Originally Posted By mp83
This pandemic has shown how arrogant, narcissistic and ignorant the majority of miscers (and people in general) are. Imaging being so arrogant that you think you know more than scientists about something they have devoted their whole lives to studying. The only reason Covid hasn't been worse is because the lockdowns worked. Its even funnier because those same people are probably flat earthers lol

No, the second wave won't hit right away. It takes 1-2 weeks to show symptoms and the number of carriers right now is low, so itll probably take like 6-8 weeks to show, but when it does, it's gonna suck.
People don’t claim to know more then the scientists. They claim that the scientists are brought and paid for. Which after decades of Hysteria about climate “cooling”, sorry climate “warming”, sorry climate “change” is a fair assumption. Scientists these days will raise whatever alarm that gets them the most funding.
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Originally Posted By JaxBrah
if you want to follow COMMUNIST china and abandon your civil liberties over a virus that has an average death age ABOVE the national life expectancy then you are a cucklord.

this is america, we believe in personal responsibility. protect yourself if you are scared of a relatively benign virus but dont force me to be a bitch like you
this has me rolling

83% of covid19 deaths are people aged 65 or older in Florida

open this phucking country up now
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Originally Posted By mp83
Good point. I shouldn't be shocked that so many miscers are Trump cultists who are narcissistic enough to think they know more than scientists about science
Scientists have been wrong the whole time
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Does anyone know where this 100million+ number is coming from? All the articles I can find are talking about Jilin province, which has a total population of 25million


Feels like this might be media fear mongering because traffic to their COVID-19 articles is starting to wane
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Originally Posted By dannyg1217
their socialism has nothing to do with lockdowns. The rest of the world looked to China for how to deal with this, the biggest human rights violators are now showing us the way.
They have a 10% mortality rate now. I guess we'll see in a couple months, with more rigorous testing, whether their plan was actually the right one all along.

I'm still in the camp that believes that the quarantine/lockdown was the right call at first. Gradual re-opening is also the right call, but masks should be mandatory until a peer-reviewed treatment plan or vaccine comes into play.
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Was gonna read thread and saw Farley posted. No point in posting anymore, this man's whole life is spent posting in the main covid chat threads.
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post 1605352271 05-19-2020, 07:55 PM
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Need to put misc in charge of world governments

post 1605352431 05-19-2020, 07:57 PM
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No idea why the stock market is so high. Who knows how long this thing will last.
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Originally Posted By dannyg1217
Let me know when Sweden has their second wave
Originally Posted By gluon
thats not what cherry-picking is. sweedens socialism has dick to do with coronavirus. jesus libs are nauseating with their complete lack of logic.
Originally Posted By dannyg1217
their socialism has nothing to do with lockdowns. The rest of the world looked to China for how to deal with this, the biggest human rights violators are now showing us the way.
Yall got whooshed. What I mean is...during the debate over socialized healthcare, Libs would always reference Europe as examples of how it works. GOP would always come back with "Europe isn't America; it wont work here"

Same logic now...Sweden not imploding over COVID doesn't mean America wont. Even with lockdown, look how bad things were? You really think no lockdown at all would have been better? How exactly would that make sense at all?
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