Usually groups of like-minded men would form a business or some kind of enterprise that generates revenue, status and pussy. Why are you not doing that?

Myself and a fellow miscer have been doing exactly this for the past year and a half

miscers too busy living that 10k a day CEO lifestyle

Cool! I'm glad at least someone is doing it. Mind telling what the business is about? I understand if you don't want to though. I feel like you have so many men with a similar mindset here (and let's face it past the memes, probably of average to better intelligence, young and with energy and ideas) that it's a shame it doesn't result in some form of cooperation and trying to make something happen that benefits all involved. People just lack confidence and cooperation I think, if idiotic boomers could make it happen decades ago, there is no reason not to try at least and come up with something that could generate some money, publicity, whatever instead of being dejected and depressed like they want you to be. The point is also Misc is such a clique that you could easily generate some positive momentum even online.

I've wanted to start a business for 15 years. Even studied Entrepreneurship in MBA school. Literally can't think of something with a better payout than my job if you probability adjust.


I even worked for sweat equity trying to help a Standford and Harvard trained surgeon who was on Staff at Northwestern to try to get a medical device company off the ground. When it came time for me to quit my day job and run the company, I declined in favor of my day job and kept my 35,000 shares of sweat equity and watched them remain worthless for the next 10 years.

If I couldn't make it happen with that dude, I don't know how miscers are going to help me.

how much do u make?

you look like some money could do you well

Miscers used to sell Beanie Babies on Ebay together but then some miscer got greedy and stole all the product.

Fair enough. I think if you're already all set up, it doesn't make much sense. I think this kind of thing would be interesting to people who either do not already have great income, or have lots of free time, or are still young enough to try and come up with something starting from scratch. I know it wouldn't appeal to everyone, but I though you have Misc here where there are lots of young men who haven't "made it" yet in the world, or want to be in a better position and instead of incel posting and dejection could try to put their energy into cooperation and a project that makes $$$$ (which lettuce be cereal tends to improve your lifestyle to say the least whether that's health, style, pussy, housing, cars, vacations, or just peace of mind and confidence).

Like $17 per hour, but I get OT sometimes too.

You need a Platinum Membership for that

Me and my close buddy did this and started a gym and bought residential property behind.

Hnng yoga instructors, Zumba dance instructors, hnng trainers and clients.

The worst thing is girls who break up with their bfs who go to the gym to “blow off steam” and keep in shape and get bored and talk to you in between sets.

Next thing you know ex hubby is showing up with a glock.

Every ex’s worst nightmare is that guy from the gym. We have an upstairs managers room that we call the bullring because of how many sloots come and end up getting fukked.

The misc has talked about buying private islands, but there’s too many insecure miscers that are betas that would mess it up with their personal drama.

Are you stupid?

I am just thinking about this logically.

1. You have a population of young men of average+ intelligence, youth, energy here.
2. A lot of them are a bit dejected, incels, depressed whatever. No need to mock this, it just means you are young, you haven't made it yet and you're probably not getting lots of pussy either. Maybe some of those, maybe all of those.
3. So you have this pool of free time, intelligence and energy.
4. If you are able to cooperate, like not all of Misc, just a few like-minded individuals should be enough to turn this into monetary success. We know what follows the $$$, too, you can improve so many other aspects with it because of time, ability to afford things, ability to say no to things, respect, confidence whatever. Not to mention you will feel good for accomplishing something.
5. The world isn't some magical space where everyone who has ever "made it" was a genius, alpha, 10 inch dick, top tier genetics individual. The world works according to some logic. You have the potential to make something happen, in the same vein cliques who cooperated made it happen countless times through history. I am not talking about some elite financial bankster club, we're talking about a simple business that can make you some decent money. Or maybe a side income if you have lesser ambitions than that. Or even something that can make you a millionaire if everything goes well. That's how the society has functioned forever. You aren't essentially different than all these other people.

So I am just saying, instead of being dejected, why not try to find some like-minded individuals, come up with an idea, invest your free time, make some $$$. Reap the benefits, feel good. That's it. Maybe you're the guy who ends up being on the boat being blown by PTP or whatever you think the reward should be for your work and ingenuity. That's how the world has worked forever. It's better than opening a new incel thread.

Glad to hear you are doing something! Not surprised you are 50 either if that age is correct. Most young people are so dejected and don't want to try anything.

im assuming this is a more commercial/equinox-esque type gym since theres zumba instructors?

to op, miscers DID do this. look at the old affiliate threads, some of those dudes are making bank now, internet marketing was and still is growing.

im personally working on some things myself.

Already been done.

Not a bad idea. We need less negativity & more gains/winning around here.

Real estate lol.

He's already working full time in a sales job involving business funding, and I work in escrow so we both have a solid base to work off of.

Yeah it definitely takes a leap of faith and some confidence to start. I think a large part of why miscers aren't getting together is because it's hard to go into business with people you already know, let alone strangers who you have no idea on their character and morals. There's a lot of friends I have who I've known much longer than this fellow miscer but who I'd never start a business with, either due to poor character, poor decision making, or just personality clash.

Making money, doing business "already been done"? There's so many guys here who could be doing something like this right now instead of the negativity.I agree, even if it doesn't end up working. Why not try something? Nothing is going to happen from not doing anything except posting negativity. All I'm saying is, people have this negative outlook like they're somehow radically different than all other men in history who did manage to "make it". You're not that different, you could be that guy. Try to create something, bounce some ideas, team up, try something. You'll still feel better even if it doesn't work out than posting the negative thread for the 10th time. But all the conditions for something to happen are right here. You've got a nice clique with all the potential, the boomers time is up, they did their thing, now it's your time to reap $$$, status and pussy. That's what you have to do. Just trying to be positive here.

32.It’s an old school/hood/homie gym downstairs, the upstairs is the nice commercial gym with a yoga studio and boxing gym with an AstroTurf track.

If people are serious about this and no betas get involved, where?

I know a couple places that are the Wild West, cheap property, virtually no taxes, plenty of flat land so no bulldozers/leveling needed.

What about a small town of tiny homes, a gym, hiking trails, and sloots that like hiking.

IRL miscers in LA did this.

A group of them, like eight guys, chipped in what they could and bought a pastrami and philly cheesesteak place in the Midwest. Then they bought another one and another and then started buying apartment complexes. All of this was in Missouri, Kansas, Indiana, etc. They had everything written up contractually spelling out every little detail and after the third food joint and second apartment complex they all of a sudden started making really nice money every month. I think they are at like five sandwich shops and like four complexes at this point with like thirty or so employees.

you were born into wealth... not hard

Maybe not a bad idea but you need something more specific. There has to be an actual of what kind of business to start, not just the generic idea of starting some business.

My dad was a broke as phuck immigrant, I earned everything.

He’s a retired wealthy CEO/10k healthcare exec but I grew up poor.This. Misc buys land, I know a place, move there, there’s a large metropolitan city 15 mins away and we already own businesses there and know the landlords with 20+ empty locations on the same strip where 30k cars drive through. Old drug area but we cleaned it out and know the mayor whose been supportive of the business development.

Who is in.

Laundromats are about to get cheap as fuk, no one is dry cleaning their clothes, but after the second wave is over, they’ll already be bankrupt and desperate to sell.

stonks go up gang
"just be antifragile bro"

I agree completely. But my intention was to bring together people who would be interested and have energy and start a discussion of what should be done and hopefully some people with similar ideas/interest would team up together to try something. I had an idea related to travel that doesn't seem realistic with Coronavirus anymore, but I think it was actually a really good idea that would be profitable (and in the case of not working have miniscule costs). I still have an idea related to online selling that is based on sound logic in terms of how things are trending socially, however the difficult thing would be to get it up and running. The travel one I am quite sure was the better/easier one. I am not saying I am the genius to have the right idea that would work but I am willing to say both ideas, probably going to get criticized as fuk for it, but hey...I think the point would be for people to bring something to the table and those who believe in a project to team up and try it. It's not about me, it's just about people trying things instead of spreading all the negativity, I think it's healthier to try something that has upside even if it fails than something that has no upside.

Multi unit residential property and laundromats/dry cleaners, as a start. Srs.

I know a laundromat/dry cleaners in a wealthy area that was bought just before corona hit and the owner was bishing to me a few months ago when I was picking up some clothes about their mortgage and how buying it was his worst decision ever, they are definitely struggling under a mortgage and would beg to sell. Now isn’t the right time, but if miscers are serious we can get the ball rolling and be ready in 6 months.

If miscers are serious, let’s start spitballing.

Me and my homie already have plans for a compound, about 50 acres, gated and high fenced.

Have an artificial lake built in the middle of the compound, put the houses around it, we have a squad of 4 ready to go in on it.

I can start with this. It's still going to be vague but maybe a light-bulb goes off as to how to make it more concrete for someone. With the advent of onlyfans and other trashy avenues where chicks with no taste or morals sell and capitalize on male attention, I think what we're going to see is a "filtering".

Generally speaking, it is clear how the world works and the biological factors in male-female relations. Women prop themselves up, men give them attention, try to impress them, try to get the hottest one. If you're female, you try to look as good as possible and get as much attention as possible to attract the best mate and signal to other females your social value. If you're a guy you're obviously attracted to the best looking chick but you also try to flaunt your **** with status symbols (clothing, cars, spending, fitness, behavior etc.) that you are THE guy that can be the choice of that girl. Obviously those are huge generalizations and I'm intentionally painting a bit of a caricature, but that's kind of how it works basically. Nobody of course thinks of it that way consciously (or few do), but that's how men and women relate basically.

Ok we all know that. Now you have these onlyfans indecent chicks capitalizing on men's desire to be worth something to someone even if they pretend about it for money. Guy is happy cause he gets some attention and busts a nut in the process. Ok. All makes sense. The interesting thing here is that we now know, not just from this but in social media trends in general, that a large sector of male-female interaction has been moved online. So we know online things that monetize this basic biological relation between males and females is profitable. The key thing is how to monetize it.

My idea is, with the advent of the more trashy things like onlyfans, a lot of more morally upstanding, fancy, middle to higher class, whatever you want to call them, women are on one end and the common lowclass thots are on the other end of the spectrum, the latter tend to attract the lower class males with a little spare change to put their way that the higher-class ladies are not interested in anyways. So already, we have this filtering of online massess. I would try to go in the other way of onlyfans and try to monetize a product by catering to these middleclass and higher chicks with some moral decency who still want to play that online game but want to keep decency and attract decent, well-off, educated men. As I was thinking of this I think one product that I saw gaining traction in that vein was -KO- Watches, they had a nice social media campaign with attractive women and the price is high enough to be prohibitive for low class people but also to signal some sort of affluence that these women and men trying to attract them try to portray (well I just checked now and its not THAT high at around $200, I think $300 as an average price with 150-1000 range could be something that would work if it was a watch, keep in mind I'm looking more at upper middle class hipster/urban/indie/socialite/cute women moreso than pure wall street gucci brand golddiggers). It's funny because when I first started thinking about this, my idea was precisely to make a watch and shill it to aesthetic instagram chicks for free (but not overly slutty ones, those should be kept out) and see where it goes, unfortunately I didn't do the production cost calculations etc. so now someone else did it in the meantime...

So, it's still very vague at this point because the watches thing has just been done and I have no second idea for now, with an actual product, the production costs could be high, not to mention marketing, but I was looking at how to monetize this now pervasive online landscape ie how to create a brand that would signal both affluency to women and status symbol to men. It's pretty wide open at this point, I've been thinking anything from an aesthetic magazine or even webpage that would "filter" the already made products/locations/services/musc/things out, include some cool interviews, that would fit that middle-class/urban/indie/somewhat affluent aesthetic the aspiring socialites would read, the bonus being that if you have a magazine/webpage that would be probably a low production cost, or almost zero of a production cost if its digital, but it would be probably a harder sell than something concrete like a watch, magazines seem kind of dead. I still believe there is a lot of value in filtering ethot garbage from a more upscale classy crowd, but its easier to do that with a concrete product that already says that on its own instead of just offering the filter via something like a magazine. The downside of a concrete product is it costs money to produce it and if it bombs you have sunk cost. But I think if you manage to get attention and create the right brand that gets subconsciously labelled as that "filtering" type of brand, so lowclass thots with fake tits and g strings get thrown out, attractive hot classy women in, affluent and wannabe men in, then you can sell and we know women spend more than men and we know men will buy **** that women want. I think once women pick it up, the guys follow anyhow.

So I am stuck here, this might not go anywhere for now. I know the underlying dynamic between male-female relations and online landscape are correct but of course the hard thing is coming up with a plan that can monetize it efficiently with costs that one can afford given his current financial situation. I don't know how/if/when it's going to work out, it's in the back of my mind to see whether something can be done. It would be fun maybe to team up with miscers come up with an idea of what could be produced or a service, run the calculations on production and marketing costs and see where we're at, but that's just an idea. I might also go back to the travel idea if coronavirus dies out which is a more concrete idea but impossible right now. I'm not saying I have the right idea, just putting something out there, maybe other Miscers have their own ideas, maybe somebody will find a match...I think i wanted to see a thread like that, where there is a possibility for upside rather than all negativity and Miscers chime in with their ideas and perhaps somebody teams up and tries to make something happen.

Watches won’t work, they’re heavy, require innovation and marketing and there’s a low profit margin and you’re fighting against hundreds of years of tech innovation and the fact that sloots are fickle. The last girl I was with changed her dress 3 times to match fireworks that didn’t occur. They’re idiots.

Watches aren’t the way.

A Misc community built on bettering themselves, a private gym and property, and innovation is the future.

I think if you want a tl;dr of where I'm at it's the following:

1. We know the online landscape and the basics of male-female interactions and consumership
2. We know that now more than ever people will buy things based on hype and brand and know how people are influenced easily, more than ever, by hype and other people wanting the same thing (especially those they look up to or who resemble them)
3. How do we create a brand/product/service that caters to these dynamics and enrich ourselves in the process?