Thread: Moon Landing 1969 Real or Fake?
12-07-2020, 10:55 AM
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Does this look like 3 men who just completed the greatest acheivement in human history, or 3 men that are ashamed that they have to lie to the world
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
I'd love for it to be true as well. I just can't grasp that we went from Model T in 1908 to The Moon in 1969, and in 2020, we're still there - sort of.That is correct.
But, I don't want it to be true, lol.
I want to know we went to the moon. However, I do not believe it after thinking about it.
The same thing goes for the UFOS the pilots reported seeing back in July.
WHY ISN'T THAT MASSIVE NEWS?!
I assume that if it was real, the US would be on RED ALERT and people would be extremely agitated that amazing craft are PLAYING with jet fighters.
If something amazing is going on an people are like "I donno" and "We lost it" and stuff then that's like school kid level lying.
But, I don't want it to be true, lol.
I want to know we went to the moon. However, I do not believe it after thinking about it.
The same thing goes for the UFOS the pilots reported seeing back in July.
WHY ISN'T THAT MASSIVE NEWS?!
I assume that if it was real, the US would be on RED ALERT and people would be extremely agitated that amazing craft are PLAYING with jet fighters.
If something amazing is going on an people are like "I donno" and "We lost it" and stuff then that's like school kid level lying.
Exactly with the UFO'S. The Pentagon basically came out, reluctantly at that, and said "yeah, we can't explain that." Yet, here we are, arguing about the efficacy of masks.
Not a fan of CNN myself, but...https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/polit...eos/index.html
The Navy previously acknowledged the veracity of the videos in September of last year. They are officially releasing them now, "in order to clear up any misconceptions by the public on whether or not the footage that has been circulating was real, or whether or not there is more to the videos," according to Pentagon spokesperson Sue Gough.
"After a thorough review, the department has determined that the authorized release of these unclassified videos does not reveal any sensitive capabilities or systems," said Gough in a statement, "and does not impinge on any subsequent investigations of military air space incursions by unidentified aerial phenomena."
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12-07-2020, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
https://www.nemokennislink.nl/public...een-van-drees/Perhaps read some of the above posts that address this very point (it's a non-point actually). I realize the conspiracy crowds would rather reiterate mindless talking points instead of just spending 5 minutes researching something though.
I've read plenty of articles. Directly from the sources who analyzed the "moon rock". If you're unable to understand the original language the article is written in try using google translate. You won't get closer to the actual source then this and the article is extremely detailed.
12-07-2020, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted By umop3pisdn⏩
lmaoThis was the piece of chit they used to land on the moon and then take off again.


that piece of **** wouldn't get 3rd place at a middle school science fair
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12-07-2020, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
This....has....no....implication.....for.....actua l.....moon ......rocks. I mean it's not rocket science. Explained already inhttps://www.nemokennislink.nl/public...een-van-drees/
I've read plenty of articles. Directly from the sources who analyzed the "moon rock". If you're unable to understand the original language the article is written in try using google translate. You won't get closer to the actual source then this and the article is extremely detailed.
I've read plenty of articles. Directly from the sources who analyzed the "moon rock". If you're unable to understand the original language the article is written in try using google translate. You won't get closer to the actual source then this and the article is extremely detailed.
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1587981141
It's a sham non-moon rock. The actual goodwill gifted Apollo rocks gifted to the Neatherlands by Nixon are fine and accounted for, and not fake or shown to be fake.
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12-07-2020, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Try reading the actual proof about the fake moon rock instead of acting like an anti-CT tard repeating NPC talking points.I think I got dumber reading this thread, tbh.
Until next time it's revisited , I guess, then we can marvel at how delusional people really are all over again.
Until next time it's revisited , I guess, then we can marvel at how delusional people really are all over again.

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Originally Posted By brumbleman⏩
I mean when you do something that expensive and something that is largely popular, you're better off doing it for as many times as you can while you have the resources available to you. The amount of missions that we launched from the late 50's to the early 70's was crazy. The last person to be on the moon was 1972. In the "Space Race" period the US ran 42 missions to the moon, and since then we've run 14, which just shows the dropoff Since then it's been different countries launching some probes and rovers, but nothing crazy. Most of the time since then it was things launched into space that have flown by the moon to get to other points. We still have NASA and they still have to do something, so they'll probe and launch satellites as they see fit, but nothing since the Space Race. Public opinion was largely fueling the space race and people didn't care about the costs or anything, it was the next major milestone in human history so countries pretty much had a blank check book at the time. Once we got to the moon, the data was collected, we got the samples, and we did our testing, we've never really needed to go back. So yeah I'd say some of the future missions have been peer-pressure because when it comes to space exploration, you don't want to be left behind, and it's good to keep tabs on what's going on from time to time. Then as technology advances and becomes better, we might be inclined to return to make some new discoveries, although I really wouldn't expect it. Most research now tbh is done just studying the samples that we have, and they have them sealed so they can open them "like new" as time goes on. But in today's times people really don't give a chit about the Moon. They'd rather spend the money getting better cell service and financial aid than seeing someone go to the moon. Society was a lot different back then, so the lack of public interest affects NASA's ability to get adequate funding.So you equate all of these moon endeavors post-Apollo missions to a "peer pressure" of sorts?
With regards to the handling of OUR TAX MONEY, it's not like they have a strong grasp on how to balance budgets. Since the tech is already there, supposedly, I imagine it wouldn't require such a large price tag as it did when it was first undertaken. Then again, greed is a helluva drug.
With regards to the handling of OUR TAX MONEY, it's not like they have a strong grasp on how to balance budgets. Since the tech is already there, supposedly, I imagine it wouldn't require such a large price tag as it did when it was first undertaken. Then again, greed is a helluva drug.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Says the guy that posts an article supporting the opposite side as you, or you saying the suits were too big for the hatch and not looking for evidence of that, so here ya go!The uselessness of someone like you comes out because it the time you wrote that and other trash, you could have read all about the issue.
http://www.moonhoaxdebunked.com/2017...oo-narrow.html
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
Sure, that one rock not being from the moon seems messed up. I agree, but there are other rocks that were analyzed and found to be legitimate. No idea how a fake one ended up where it did, but I've seen it explained by someone with the US Embassy giving the rock to the guy that later gave it to the museum, I've seen it described as the rock being given by Armstrong and Aldrin to that same guy, and one or two more explanations. It'd probably be impossible to find something with real proof because you'd have someone claiming that proof was fake. That's how everything works these days, lol.Well the science has shown that the "moon rock" that was gifted to the Dutch is actually not actually from the moon. To me and many other it doesn't make sense that with the science 50 years ago they went to the moon and with the science today everybody just decides to not focus on space exploration.
I haven't done enough research to claim they never went, which I should do because it's a subject that interests me. But there's enough fishy chit surrounding it (fake moon rock, no original footage, sketchy looking footage) to at least make me doubt. If there's any good documentaries you can recommend I'd watch. There's one conspiracy one I've been recommended which is like 3 hours but it'd be nice to get a recommendation that tells the other side of the story as well.
I haven't done enough research to claim they never went, which I should do because it's a subject that interests me. But there's enough fishy chit surrounding it (fake moon rock, no original footage, sketchy looking footage) to at least make me doubt. If there's any good documentaries you can recommend I'd watch. There's one conspiracy one I've been recommended which is like 3 hours but it'd be nice to get a recommendation that tells the other side of the story as well.
I've seen a bunch of documentaries but I don't remember any of the names. I'll look for some and link them here if I find some good ones. Please do the same if you find some supporting it being a fake landing.
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
Is your whole belief on the moon landing being fake because of that one fake rock? There plenty of proof that they brought rocks back from the moon, my dude.Try reading the actual proof about the fake moon rock instead of acting like an anti-CT tard repeating NPC talking points.
https://www.nemokennislink.nl/public...een-van-drees/
https://www.nemokennislink.nl/public...een-van-drees/
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12-07-2020, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Nobody has even bothered to look at the link because it's in Dutch. Of course what's better than a Dutch source when we're talking about research done in the Netherlands, by Dutch people, regarding a fake moon rock that was gifted to former prime minister Drees by an American ambassador?I'll keep waiting for the source i have been asking for since page 2.
And I am pretty sure the stuff you posted is already refuted ITT.
But nice job on the name calling. Pretty much same as conceding the argument.

And I am pretty sure the stuff you posted is already refuted ITT.
But nice job on the name calling. Pretty much same as conceding the argument.

I only make fun of idiots when they start out being disrespectful. "just got dumber reading this thread people are so delusional lmao". Yeah I'll make fun of you being a simple anti-CT tard. When other people are simple and respectful I am as well. Pretty easy concept.
Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
If you've bothered reading my posts I never said I firmly belief the moon landing was faked. I said I was highly skeptical about it because of a number of reasons. I just went deeper about the fake moon rock because some DEBOONKERS said they had already disproven it when actual sources talk about this specific rock. Who gifted it to who, in what setting. The specific scientific tests they did and the actual material of the fake rock.Is your whole belief on the moon landing being fake because of that one fake rock? There plenty of proof that they brought rocks back from the moon, my dude.
A lot of the footage is sketchy as fuk and I think it doesn't make sense they're still unable to get 50 years later. And no other country has managed to land people there either.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Yep, idiotic posts for sure in here. Knowing the misc it'll be no time until the same topic is reposted too.I think I got dumber reading this thread, tbh.
Until next time it's revisited , I guess, then we can marvel at how delusional people really are all over again.
Until next time it's revisited , I guess, then we can marvel at how delusional people really are all over again.

Lucky that we had some bright, well-trained, brave dudes back then that accomplished one of the greatest things in history of mankind (and not just the anti-scientific, utterly untrained, idiotic conspiratorial mindset common in these moon threads on the misc- that type of mindset gets no results- gets you nowhere).
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
I’ve wondered this as well. Have any of the astronauts in the ISS banged yet?Why haven't we tried to have babies yet in outer space? Shouldn't we see if this is even possible?
Hell, I wonder if anyone has fapped in space yet? Surely this has been done for science.
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
Responded just above you. Something entirely basic is seeming rocket science to you for whatever reason.Try reading the actual proof about the fake moon rock instead of acting like an anti-CT tard repeating NPC talking points.
https://www.nemokennislink.nl/public...een-van-drees/
https://www.nemokennislink.nl/public...een-van-drees/
No one is arguing that the rock at that museum with sketchy provenance is not a genuine moon rock. This does not have implication for the actual moon rocks, for example gifted to the Netherlands from Nixon, linked above.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Would you be able to provide sauces for the fake moon rock debate? I looked it up myself and I found one about the Dutch guy who got a piece of the moon and it was petrified wood. The other was the guy was studying a rock and found it was granite and actually came from the Earth. The Dutch story is like the only one I found. We easily could have just gifted a piece of wood just to improve relations or what not. It was also like yeah we got this rock from a guy, who got it from a guy, who got it from another guy, from NASA. We gave out rocks to 100 countries after landing on the moon for research, so to gift one privately would have been a waste. The other one with the piece of granite said that millions upon billions of years ago that the piece of granite was flung from the Earth and impacted into the Moon.All of that has been discussed.
NASA said that it farmed out like a million parts to different companies. Some had to be hand made, and so there are no blueprints.
That is hard to believe as the government, like the FBI were HUGE control freaks, and kept detailed records about mundane issues. I do not believe that people like that would let dudes at NASA randomly order stuff and put a handmade rocket together to go to the moon. Had it failed it would have looked stupid.
The moon rocks, after tested by others, proved to be from Earth.
That suddenly changed the theory or how the moon was formed, but no other moon, as I have said many times now.
People play online role playing games, and what happens there?
People all share the same fake experience. It would be extremely easy to do the same thing to people on a job where they are all working on little parts of a project.
The US has legit Psy Ops people that could easily figure out how to make people believe they are all working together while not actually don't anything much.
What matters is if something can be REPRODUCED because that is science. If you can do it once, it should be reproducible, and it's not. And, like I have also said, there's a weird lack of cultural excitement about it. It's not really talked about, the astronauts aren't American heroes, there's no holidays, and that's really odd.
NASA said that it farmed out like a million parts to different companies. Some had to be hand made, and so there are no blueprints.
That is hard to believe as the government, like the FBI were HUGE control freaks, and kept detailed records about mundane issues. I do not believe that people like that would let dudes at NASA randomly order stuff and put a handmade rocket together to go to the moon. Had it failed it would have looked stupid.
The moon rocks, after tested by others, proved to be from Earth.
That suddenly changed the theory or how the moon was formed, but no other moon, as I have said many times now.
People play online role playing games, and what happens there?
People all share the same fake experience. It would be extremely easy to do the same thing to people on a job where they are all working on little parts of a project.
The US has legit Psy Ops people that could easily figure out how to make people believe they are all working together while not actually don't anything much.
What matters is if something can be REPRODUCED because that is science. If you can do it once, it should be reproducible, and it's not. And, like I have also said, there's a weird lack of cultural excitement about it. It's not really talked about, the astronauts aren't American heroes, there's no holidays, and that's really odd.
I'm all about discussion and arguments, I actually encourage it, I think its a good way to strengthen your own opinions and sometimes be proven wrong. But I need like legitimate sources and facts and not hearsay because that is dangerous. Like 99% of what I read about the Moon landings makes me believe that we did in fact land on the Moon. Especially after other countries have corroborated our landings. Like some random article from some conspiracy website is not enough to sway my opinion or be open for me to ponder changing mine. I know that my opinion is based on facts.
And for everyone else, once the US landed a man on the Moon, everyone else became defeated and didn't want to publicly be known as second. The Soviets even denied there was even a space race and that the US was on it's own. What they didn't realize is that after the Soviets declared they would go to the Moon, that the US would throw every dollar it had to beat them there first. So then once we did it, everyone was like alright cool, we never actually thought about doing it. There was an article I remember reading where student from the US were going to a Russian Space museum and they found a design and built model of a lunar landing module, which had all but confirmed that they were intending to land on on the moon. Then when the US did it first they backtracked and ignored it. Also too, these are human lives you are risking and there was a lot of failed missions before the first one ever worked. A lot of money dumped into it for disastrous results. So to risk human lives on a mission that might fail would have jeopardized the whole thing. Because once the public starts to cry about it, then they need to stop.
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I just want to know what moon landing conspiritards are going to do when we do go back to the moon and produce images of the landing sites. They’ll just call those pics fake too I suppose....
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
My bad lol. I didn't realize you were the one that mentioned the 3hr documentary thing.If you've bothered reading my posts I never said I firmly belief the moon landing was faked. I said I was highly skeptical about it because of a number of reasons. I just went deeper about the fake moon rock because some DEBOONKERS said they had already disproven it when actual sources talk about this specific rock. Who gifted it to who, in what setting. The specific scientific tests they did and the actual material of the fake rock.
A lot of the footage is sketchy as fuk and I think it doesn't make sense they're still unable to get 50 years later. And no other country has managed to land people there either.
A lot of the footage is sketchy as fuk and I think it doesn't make sense they're still unable to get 50 years later. And no other country has managed to land people there either.
If you look for the proven to be fake rock, you'll see evidence that it, not all the other rocks, is fake. You can find plenty of information, including analyses, on the legitimate moon rocks. I can find you an analysis of some if you want.
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He absolutely will not lmao.Would you be able to provide sauces for the fake moon rock debate? I looked it up myself and I found one about the Dutch guy who got a piece of the moon and it was petrified wood. The other was the guy was studying a rock and found it was granite and actually came from the Earth. The Dutch story is like the only one I found. We easily could have just gifted a piece of wood just to improve relations or what not. It was also like yeah we got this rock from a guy, who got it from a guy, who got it from another guy, from NASA. We gave out rocks to 100 countries after landing on the moon for research, so to gift one privately would have been a waste. The other one with the piece of granite said that millions upon billions of years ago that the piece of granite was flung from the Earth and impacted into the Moon.
I'm all about discussion and arguments, I actually encourage it, I think its a good way to strengthen your own opinions and sometimes be proven wrong. But I need like legitimate sources and facts and not hearsay because that is dangerous. Like 99% of what I read about the Moon landings makes me believe that we did in fact land on the Moon. Especially after other countries have corroborated our landings. Like some random article from some conspiracy website is not enough to sway my opinion or be open for me to ponder changing mine. I know that my opinion is based on facts.
I'm all about discussion and arguments, I actually encourage it, I think its a good way to strengthen your own opinions and sometimes be proven wrong. But I need like legitimate sources and facts and not hearsay because that is dangerous. Like 99% of what I read about the Moon landings makes me believe that we did in fact land on the Moon. Especially after other countries have corroborated our landings. Like some random article from some conspiracy website is not enough to sway my opinion or be open for me to ponder changing mine. I know that my opinion is based on facts.
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wouldn't be surprised either way tbh
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Anyone figure out how the space crafts guidance systems sensors were calibrated?
Im interested in know how we do it today, let alone how we did it in 1969.
Im interested in know how we do it today, let alone how we did it in 1969.
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they used an atari 2600Anyone figure out how the space crafts guidance systems sensors were calibrated?
Im interested in know how we do it today, let alone how we did it in 1969.
Im interested in know how we do it today, let alone how we did it in 1969.
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Originally Posted By Workout4ever⏩
I'd be so disappointed if it turned out that it was all fake. It's just so ****ing cool to think that we landed on the moon... in 1969. Just some truly, in the literal sense of the word, awesome facts: they would have to be traveling over 25,000mph/40,000kph, it takes 2.5 seconds for a message to reach the moon/Earth from Earth/the moon, some of the lunar module's walls were only as thick as a piece of paper, space smells like burnt steak, etcwouldn't be surprised either way tbh
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Originally Posted By nm1891⏩
How could you prove they didnt set the stuff up when they "go back" to the moon?I just want to know what moon landing conspiritards are going to do when we do go back to the moon and produce images of the landing sites. They’ll just call those pics fake too I suppose....
I always lol hard at the gold tinfoil on the moon lander.
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Originally Posted By brumbleman⏩
I am joking but sometimes when people say we live in a simulation, it seems like we're in one with bad writing.I'd love for it to be true as well. I just can't grasp that we went from Model T in 1908 to The Moon in 1969, and in 2020, we're still there - sort of.
Exactly with the UFO'S. The Pentagon basically came out, reluctantly at that, and said "yeah, we can't explain that." Yet, here we are, arguing about the efficacy of masks.
Not a fan of CNN myself, but...https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/polit...eos/index.html
The Navy previously acknowledged the veracity of the videos in September of last year. They are officially releasing them now, "in order to clear up any misconceptions by the public on whether or not the footage that has been circulating was real, or whether or not there is more to the videos," according to Pentagon spokesperson Sue Gough.
"After a thorough review, the department has determined that the authorized release of these unclassified videos does not reveal any sensitive capabilities or systems," said Gough in a statement, "and does not impinge on any subsequent investigations of military air space incursions by unidentified aerial phenomena."
The devil is in the details.
Exactly with the UFO'S. The Pentagon basically came out, reluctantly at that, and said "yeah, we can't explain that." Yet, here we are, arguing about the efficacy of masks.
Not a fan of CNN myself, but...https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/polit...eos/index.html
The Navy previously acknowledged the veracity of the videos in September of last year. They are officially releasing them now, "in order to clear up any misconceptions by the public on whether or not the footage that has been circulating was real, or whether or not there is more to the videos," according to Pentagon spokesperson Sue Gough.
"After a thorough review, the department has determined that the authorized release of these unclassified videos does not reveal any sensitive capabilities or systems," said Gough in a statement, "and does not impinge on any subsequent investigations of military air space incursions by unidentified aerial phenomena."
The devil is in the details.
HOW can people report there are FORTY FOOT LONG white oblong "tic tac" shaped craft buzzing around military ships and playing with fighter jets, using methods of flight that are not possible, and it's not a big deal?
It's as if a kid told you he's Batman and you're like, yep.
To me, when the government tell bullsh!t stories and there's no follow through and everyone is bland, it's got the be a lie.
Meanwhile, with 911, we are still in a war about it and there was LOTS of excitement, educational stuff about Islam, killings, etc. There was LOTS of follow through, counter reactions from muslims, etc.
Meanwhile, we have aliens and no one cares.
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Failure would be far more devastating than success, therefore I´m leaning to it being fake. If they failed, people could die and it would be a huge embarrassment for the united states.
The chances of success would have been very low, and the price of failure would have been very high. And the main motivation was a PR stunt in the middle of the cold war. The appearance of success is what was important, not getting to the moon and save the planet. And the appearance of success is much easier than real success.
The chances of success would have been very low, and the price of failure would have been very high. And the main motivation was a PR stunt in the middle of the cold war. The appearance of success is what was important, not getting to the moon and save the planet. And the appearance of success is much easier than real success.
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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
I agree with all of that, by the way.I'd be so disappointed if it turned out that it was all fake. It's just so ****ing cool to think that we landed on the moon... in 1969. Just some truly, in the literal sense of the word, awesome facts: they would have to be traveling over 25,000mph/40,000kph, it takes 2.5 seconds for a message to reach the moon/Earth from Earth/the moon, some of the lunar module's walls were only as thick as a piece of paper, space smells like burnt steak, etc
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12-07-2020, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted By orangetide⏩
So China is going to set up a fake landing site to have our backs lol? I mean, they already have an image that a chinese orbiter took that shows the landing sites, so it was kind of a moot question. The point is, if you dont want to believe that we landed men on the moon in 1969, no amount of evidence is going to convince you other wise. It’s wasted time and energy arguing.How could you prove they didnt set the stuff up when they "go back" to the moon?
I always lol hard at the gold tinfoil on the moon lander.
I always lol hard at the gold tinfoil on the moon lander.
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12-07-2020, 12:12 PM
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Yeah of course they landed on the moon. It's disturbing seeing so many deniers, with zero evidence, who believe they didn't land just because it makes a juicy conspiracy story.
@TheAlderian you need help man. Your posts are all over the place, sounds like the rantings of someone on drugs.
@TheAlderian you need help man. Your posts are all over the place, sounds like the rantings of someone on drugs.
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Research operation blue Beam,
And you will understand why the government would want us to believe space travel is possible.
And you will understand why the government would want us to believe space travel is possible.
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