You are upset that there will be no “hard hits” for 99.99% of people and they are behaving accordingly by continuing their lives without face diapers, face shields, or groveling for a vaccine.

I understand why you’re emotional about it though. And why you’d enjoy it if other people felt the same fear as you.

Do you realize 360k of your fellow Americans are dead because of this? Do you not give a chit at all?

Let's stop pretending that you do.

Thanks for the bump, retard.

it's sad, but it is a pandemic.

If you want to take safety precautions to protect yourself, by all means have at it. However, I am not going to follow arbitrary restrictions under the guise of protecting other people because less than 1% of the population passed away this year from a disease.

They aren't arbitary. They were recommended based on what they thought would help reduce spread. I don't think you understand this can kill your mom and dad. It can get anyone, And yes, it's rare, but even healthy people can die to this. It's something to take seriously. Do you know any elderly people? Do you care about any of them? I am sure there are elderly in your community who are important to you. I am sure there are younger folks with asthma or lung diseases who you know.

Also, let me paint a picture for you. Pretend everyone thinks like you. You're all young and healthy right? Well, you get in a car wreck just due to bad luck. No big deal right? I mean it was bad, and you might die if you don't get surgery. But hey, this is America. You're gonna be ok right? Except what if the hospitals were overrun? What if they couldn't fuking treat you? Now do you get the picture? Do you see why people are taking this seriously? It's in everyone's best interest to take the vaccine so we can get over this chit. If enough people take it, we will have herd immunity while sparing a lot of deaths and we can move on.

The vaccine really isn't that bad. We have very sound theoretical principles to tell us that there will be virtually no long term effects. We'd love to have a 10 year study, but there isn't time. The worst effect possible is an allergic reaction.

Let's clear a few things. I am not young and healthy - I have four cormorbities working against me on this one. Also, I have lost two people, while not extremely close i did care about them to this, and several other cursory friends/acquaintances. However, just because someone I care about dies doesn't mean we should enact policy that impacts everyone - that is really a selfish way of looking at things. My favorite aunt had it, the fact she lived was very surprising to me. My best friend's wife, who is also a friend, currently has it, we'll know today if he or the kids have it.

It is not about a lack of caring it is a bigger picture of using critical thought. Avoiding the potential impact is not worth the restrictions even if your little scenario.

It's denial or some mental gymnastics dude. You can very clearly see there is an efficient and easy way out of all of this. It's just take the vaccine. That's it. Like. The lockdowns could be over. Everything can go back to some degree of normal and even totally normal really soon if we all just take the vaccines. Like you won't even need masks after a few months. Everything could go back to normal if we reach herd immunity.

That does sound a bit...arbitrary.

Interesting choice of words.

One would have used "isn't bad" , or "isn't bad at all".

No, it isn't as they have already stated that the lockdowns will continue regardless of the vaccination.

what you fail to realize is that there is also a much simpler solution - end the lockdowns and it is over - although you don't like the potential results of that so it is not viable in your eyes. My favorite places have been defying the shutdowns with one exception.

I got the vaccine, so now I am safe from getting covid.

Nope you can still get covid.

Well at least I don't have to wear a mask or social distance.

Well you never really had to but you are still going to be expected to wear a mask and social distance.

But at least I can't spread covid to anyone else.

Nope, you still can.

Not everyone has the time or interest to lament the millions of humans who die of communicable diseases every year.

In fact, I am more sad for the millions who will be sent into poverty and hunger throughout the world due to the manmade economic restrictions for the virus.

I'd be good with the entire human race being wiped out from COVID if it includes Wincel.

incredibly well put

and that's assuming every death was strictly "covid"

Calculate your covid risk for a given activity with this web app from Brown University:
https://mycovidrisk.app/

There's a timescale here. You can't just get the vaccine and then run out the door and stop giving a chit. But within a period of a month or so of herd immunity, we really could go back to normal.

I just assume leaving my house is a guarantee to get it

I don't think you gave my response it's due. You're obvs smart, and I know you hold truth above all else, but you understand just as well that science may be TRUE, but that it isn't everything (at least I'd hope you do).

So sure, using science to our advantage is imperative, but there are so many ways to use it.. can't you tell me there might be more effective solutions to our problem?

If you have an idea for beating this virus better than using a vaccine, I'm all ears.

How the AstraZeneca Vaccine (UK) works:

what are your parameters for it to be "better"? I think that's the disconnect - you think there is only one goal here.

You saw my thread about willingly getting sick. I was about it post it for you, but I see you posted in it! Of course you didn't like it - because a vaccine is 'superior' - which in theory is true, but the world is difficult and unpredictable.

So I'm still on board for doing my part: willingly getting sick, properly isolating, and not becoming a fearmongering beta who helps decimate the middle class while simultaneously consolidating the power of the elites - over a cold virus.

Maximizing total economic value, I suppose. You could probably estimate the net economic value of a person's life and then look at what would be the cost associated with the deaths, businesses closed, etc and try to estimate what would minimize the overall cost.

It just doesn't make any sense. You have been offered a vaccine, but you'd rather get sick with the actual virus.

then you're right, you probably have found the best solution.

But I wouldn't choose that as the goal.

I sure haven't been offered a vaccine. Though I'm really hoping I can get one before June.

I think it does make sense. I think if healthy people weren't afraid of getting sick, but recognized the need not to spread the virus, they could make that sacrifice. They could suffer much earlier on, in an attempt to minimize unintentional spread and not chit on the economy. People at risk can take necessary precautions. We could have herd immunity much more quickly.I sort of agree with this, but good luck selling it to the public. If we aren't conspiracy theorists now, we would be after a presentation like that.

This.

But as the experts would have you believe, lockdowns are the right response.

I think I know what I am doing wrong, I went to Wal-Mart and it filtered out the virus from my body.

About 30-35% of those people would be alive today if Covid didn't exist. It took out people already knocking on heaven's door. And a lot of people labeled as Covid deaths are merely people who died and happened to test positive. 14% of all tests are coming back positive right now across the US. Do 14% of Americans currently have Covid? Hell NOOOOOO!!!! 14% had it in the last ~60-90 days (varies by person) is all that means.

Careful, this is going to crush your fear spreading a bit:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2025631

All that means is that 14% of people contracted the virus, then were lucky enough to visit a Wal-Mart, where the virus was magically filtered out of their body - or so wincel would lead us to believe.