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Thread: Has Tom Brady reached Michael Jordan's level of GOATness? (if not, why?)

post 1629649983 01-25-2021, 11:40 AM
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Not the biggest NFL fan, but apparently he is as cluth as they come. Can he be compared to Godchael Jordan on their respective sports?
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Yeah, easily on the same level.
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yup

puts the belichick thing to rest even if he doesn't win the superbowl. He got there first year without belichick at whats considered "old" for an NFL QB.
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I made this comparison yesterday in the other Brady chad thread. Hard to compare NBA vs NFL but for Brady to make his accomplishments today where all the NFL is faster and stronger than ever before due to drugs I think Brady edges out if he wins this Super Bowl

they each have six championships in their respective sport
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Jordan was the undisputed goat every year he was in the league with the exception of his rookie year


Also most atheltic etc.

Brady is the goat qb, but he's a lackluster athlete, and was sort of carried earlier on in his career (mj was an absolute superstar day 1 and was not carried)
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Yea probably, if he wins this SB definitely.
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Who? Don't really know much about him, NFL isn't popular outside of America.

Jordan was a worldwide phenomenon.
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The best three seasons of his entire career are worse than Patrick Mahomes' first three seasons, so definitely not. He's massively overhyped by morons who don't understand the concept of team sports and think ring counting is how you determine who's the best. He was a decent but not great game manager his first five years in the league and at his peak was still really not close to the peak of QBs like Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes. He has great longevity but is otherwise hugely overrated.
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Really difficult to compare basketball to football. Feel like football is more team focused. In basketball, my strategy can literally just be, give the ball to Tyrone and run away from him to the wing so he can iso.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Not the biggest NFL fan, but apparently he is as cluth as they come. Can he be compared to Godchael Jordan on their respective sports?
It isn't possible for any NFL player to match Michael Jordan's mastery of the sport of basketball.

He was both the best offensive and the best defensive player in the league at one point. There were very few flaws in his game.

Tom Brady is a great quarterback, but there are tons of holes in his game, for starters he is slow and unathletic.

Walter Payton is the greatest football player of all time, he owned about 25 NFL records when he retired and had fewer flaws in his game than Brady. But if I wanted to win a superbowl, I would take Brady over Walter because the position has more influence over the game.
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Originally Posted By nothingshocking⏩
It isn't possible for any NFL player to match Michael Jordan's mastery of the sport of basketball.

He was both the best offensive and the best defensive player in the league at one point. There were very few flaws in his game.

Tom Brady is a great quarterback, but there are tons of holes in his game, for starters he is slow and unathletic.

Walter Payton is the greatest football player of all time, he owned about 25 NFL records when he retired and had fewer flaws in his game than Brady.
Yeah, thats my logic as well.


That 98' final shot against Utah, Jordan stole the ball from Malone, Drove it up the court and then scored the final shot to win the championship. Thats both a key defensive play and a key offensive play by the same player in a matter of 20 seconds.

Brady doesnt have that luxury. He may be the GOAT QB but i cant see how he can be considered a better GOAT than Jordan, when Jordan's mastery of the sport as a whole is undisputed, when Brady is more like an specialist if you could call it that.
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On the field/court, yes. But Brady doesn't have the cultural impact that Jordan had. Nobody is wearing Tom Brady shoes or clothing. Nobody steps on the football field and hopes they have the athleticism of Tom Brady.
post 1629652003 01-25-2021, 12:02 PM
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Tom Brady has won games throwing 3 INTs, he's won a Super Bowl where he can only muster 13 points.. there are so many different variables when it comes to football compared to Basketball it really isn't funny. He affects 1 side of the field, and even in that he is dependent on lineman to block, RBs to run, and WRs to catch IN ADDITION to coaches to call the right plays and put people in the right position.... and all this is solely on 1 side of the field and doesn't get into the other 2 phases which are just as important

Brady isn't the best player to ever play the game tho. He's on a short list, but a case can be made for Walter Payton, Jerry Rice, Lawrence Taylor, Barry Sanders, etc.
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Maybe if Tom was perfect in perfect in Super bowls. But he isn't...so naw
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Originally Posted By Coal
Who? Don't really know much about him, NFL isn't popular outside of America.

Jordan was a worldwide phenomenon.
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Jordan was dominant. Brady has a losing record in the playoffs to Peyton and Peyton was clearly better evidenced by him dominating him in all pros, last time I checked Gary Payton didn’t have more first team all nba than Jordan
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Brady should get bonus points for being relatively unathletic. He actually needs to use his brain to manage the game, not just put a ball through a hoop faster than the other guys.
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Originally Posted By badbl00d⏩
Maybe if Tom was perfect in perfect in Super bowls. But he isn't...so naw
I don't get this mentality that being 6-3 is worse than 6-0. Brady is the only player to start in 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 SBs. Starting in multiple SBs for multiple teams in his 40s is insane.

Don't think you can compare across sports but when you think GOAT in each they're the first names to come up.
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Originally Posted By WHChampion⏩
I don't get this mentality that being 6-3 is worse than 6-0. Brady is the only player to start in 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 SBs. Starting in multiple SBs for multiple teams in his 40s is insane.

Don't think you can compare across sports but when you think GOAT in each they're the first names to come up.
It's not my standard of measure. It's what the sports world deems as the appropriate way to gauge how good a player is/was.
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Basketball is too different.
Winning or losing an NFL game has much more to do with the entire team, than one QB compared to an NBA game where a player like MJ can dominate on both sides of the ball.
Not comparable, but Brady definitely has the best QB career of all time.
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Originally Posted By badbl00d⏩
It's not my standard of measure. It's what the sports world deems as the appropriate way to gauge how good a player is/was.
I think you mean modern media. "RINGGGZZZ" are such a stupid measurement to determine greatness/GOAT in a team sport.
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Jordan was both the most skilled player in the league and most athletic. Brady isn't athletic and position he plays isn't even considered a sport to me more comparable to pro video games where all you need is to think fast and have great reflexes.
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he was not clutch yesterday, he played a good first half and played like chit in the second half, gave too many chances to the packers but the bucs D came up big.


Kevin king was blowing coverages all day long.

But yeah, he is probably up there with MJ.
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You can’t compare a basketball player to a football players


Brady doesn’t have the most mvp’s in his own sport.
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He has surpassed Jordan. Its much harder to do what he is doing in football.
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Brady is a goat QB but like everyone else has said, football is much more dependent on team so Jordan def still gets the nod everyday. You honestly can’t even compare the two, it’s the ultimate apples to oranges argument.
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Originally Posted By ohiostate124⏩
He has surpassed Jordan. Its much harder to do what he is doing in football.
This. Very srs. Going to that many super bowls is absoultely wild. Dude is greatest athlete of all time in terms of career (srss)
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Also agree that in Basketball a single player has way more influence in the result than in NFL.

Brady was lucky he landed with the right coach in the right organization, there are some other more talented QBs that have either had chitty teams and/or chitty coaches, he also had the luck of being in one of the weakest division in the last 15 years, giving him a lot of home games in the playoffs.


Lets just take an example, Matt Stafford, IMO as talented and with a similar style than Brady, however, he landed in the worst sports franchise to ever exist, and also playing on a division that had Brett Favre and then Rodgers and Brett Favre at the same time (when he went to the vikes) so his best results are just getting into the playoffs.
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Originally Posted By ohiostate124⏩
He has surpassed Jordan. Its much harder to do what he is doing in football.
Dont see any argument from the guys on the Brady camp
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