That Warriors team was not 70+ wins, they lost two starters including their starting Center in Bogut. Barnes and Bogut were key to that team, and some would argue they should've just kept them and added more depth (I wouldn't, Bogut was getting hurt too much).

1) Lebron has never been on a 70 win team.
2) The Heat won 47 games and made the playoffs without Lebron.
3) KD didn't push them over the edge. They won a year ago.

The heat lost in 5 in the first round the previous yr Lebron showed up... meanwhile Irving carried the Cavs to 3 straight #1 overall picks



Compare that to KD joining the team that beat you by staging a 3-1 comeback after posting the greatest regular season of all time. They are quite literally not even in the same ballpark. Tell me more about all the playoff success that Kyrie and Kevin Love have posted both PRE and POST Lebron

and added Bosh, who was a top 10 player at the time.

Yup Bosh who finished 13th and 9th in the East in back to back years (missing the playoffs) before joining the Heat. The superstar that was Chris Bosh

It wasn't just Lebron that showed up - it was Chris Bosh too.Yup, and Lebron asked Kevin Love to join him in going to Irving's Cavaliers.Lebron joined a team he thought would win 8 championship rings in a row.

THEN when that team is starting to not be as good, he once again bails and forms ANOTHER Super Team. And then when THAT team keeps getting owned by the Warriors, he goes to the Lakers. Then he flops his first year there so he forms ANOTHER Super Team with AD.

That's how these leagues are these days. Get used to it.

And this is interesting.

Lebron PPG over his career: 27.0
KD PPG over his career: 27.1

Lebron PPG in the playoffs: 28.8
KD PPG in the playoffs: 29.1
You're arguing with someone that cherry picks stats like ****ing crazy.

You're either against the practice of forming super teams or you're not. Simple.

KD decided to do what was best for him and his career at the time and went to GS. LeBron has no problem with this behavior considering he has jumped ship 3 times now. And it's not like LeBron has a problem with really putting the odds in his favor. After recruiting AD, he was actually also trying to recruit Kawhi as well. So obviously, LeBron himself doesn't think there's a threshold to how strong a super team can be before it becomes a negative.

Again, LeQueen fans really need to stop with the mental gymnastics.

2009 Heat before Lebron: 47-35, bounced in first round

2013 Cavs before Lebron: 33-49, missed playoffs






2016 Warriors before KD: 73-9, great record of all time, worst meltdown in Finals history losing to Lebron after being up 3-1


Lol

3-1 is also the Warriors' record against LeQueen in the Finals.

If Lebron was the only who joined those teams, you would have a point.

But Lebronalsobrought Bosh and Love to Miami and Cleveland, respectively. Why do Lebron fans always ignore that? They make it seem like Lebron went to Miami alone and won rings.And Lebron had a meltdown after losing to the Celtics in 2010 (and Magic in 2009) so he decided to form a team he thought would win 8 Championships.

Not to mention his Heat tenure was underwhelming:

- Lost to the Mavericks in 2011 in historical fashion
- Won in a lockout year in 2012 (should be asterisked)
- Took 7 games to beat the Spurs and only won due to a lucky Ray Allen shot
- Got annihilated by the Spurs

Lebron also quits/makes excuses all the time. He is talented but didn't have the killer instinct that MJ had. I think if Lebron goes to 2 years of college, he could've been the GOAT.

Mind posting Kevin Loves playoff track record before going to Cle? Mind posting what Bosh was up to the 2 previous years before he came to Miami?

Technically they were going to go to Chicago, but Wade and him both thought it would be bad optics to go to the team that Jordan played for (they were right with this). He returned to the LIONS of the NBA and won a championship with the Cavs, that in itself is one of the greatest championships in the modern generation.

Lakers are a Super Team? He literally went to LA by himself and trusted the front office to surround him with the proper talent to compete. What the hell is the definition of a Super team? I'm starting to get confused

This a super team?




This?



This?



This?



This?

I would argue the Heat losing to the Mavs, given the huge talent disparity and the performances. There was no suspension or injuries or controversy, just a clean loss.

Bosh was definitely a top 10 player at the time, he was just in Toronto, who had no one. Guy avg 24 and 11, shot 37% from 3, and was a monster defensively. That's 3 top 10 players on the same team lol, going against prime Dirk and bunch of dudes ready to retire. Chit was insane.

Pretty crazy how one of the greatest scorers of all time is basically neck and neck with Lebron. Shows how LeBron quite literally is underrated in so many aspects of his game

LeQueen stans are a funny breed. They'll degrade LeQueen's teammates all day and chant how other teams form just to take LeQueen down. But the moment somebody brings up how the Warriors beat LeBron in 2015, all of a sudden they scream "But, but, Kyrie and Love were injured!".

Name a single top 10 player right now who is missing the playoffs in back to back seasons?

This same Mavs team beat the defending champ Lakers with Kobe (sweep) and beat OKC in 5 (Durant, Harden, Westrbook)

You realize these is a difference between overinflating a player and them being completely out, right? Like Love, Bosh, Irving are underwhelming players, but still have some impact. It's ok to downplay them but still acknowledge that they are better options than ****ing kyle kuzma and delly lmao

You guys are so silly sometimes

The finals loss vs the mavs is the only true black spot in Lebron's career.

Savor those rings warriors fan, they won't be getting any more for awhile

Staphanie will retire with ZERO FMVPs lmao

No, it shows how little respect you give KD just because he joined GS.

I'm not here arguing that Love and Kyrie being out had no significance. I'm just calling out the foolishness of LeQueen fans and their obsession to prop LeQueen at the expense of his teammates.

Maybe, maybe not. But that's what happens when a player is willing to stay on the same team through its ebb and flow. Who knows, maybe Steph decides to be like LeBron and do some ship jumping.

How? I've stated multiple times that he's ALREADY a borderline top 10 player of all time along with Curry

Yeah, let's give him a pass for some of the worst flops, ever.

[QUOTE=Jaydawg08 post_id=1631656763]Mind posting Kevin Loves playoff track record before going to Cle? Mind posting what Bosh was up to the 2 previous years before he came to Miami?

Technically they were going to go to Chicago, but Wade and him both thought it would be bad optics to go to the team that Jordan played for (they were right with this). He returned to the LIONS of the NBA and won a championship with the Cavs, that in itself is one of the greatest championships in the modern generation.

Lakers are a Super Team? He literally went to LA by himself and trusted the front office to surround him with the proper talent to compete. What the hell is the definition of a Super team? I'm starting to get confused

This a super team?

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This?

[i tps://fadeawayworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/LA-Lakers-2013-Starters-Media-Days-1440x900-BasketWallpapers.com-.jpg?x10168[/i ebp[/img][/QUOTE]All your expamples of a super team would make more sense if they were young and in their prime.

But most of those players were out of their prime and old when they formed those teams. Karl Malone was 40 for example. Charles Barkley was 34. Steve Nash was 39.

And Lebron did return to the Cavs - with Kevin Love. If Lebron joined the Cavs by himself without Love, you would have a point.

And your criticisms are moot because Lebron was the one who recruited and begged for Love and Bosh. Also, he tried real hard to bring Kawhi to the Lakers. If he's so great, why is he begging players like Kawhi AND AD to join him like that?

Steph is 3-1 against Lebron in the Finals. That's a fact.

Kobe against the Pistons, "Tragic" Johnson series, Kareem missing the playoffs multiple times in the middle of his prime, Jordan 1-9 in the playoffs without Scottie (including 2 sweeps in the first round)... they all have their flaws

I hope he joins a true #1 like Kawhi or KD if he plans to earn some more rings

I don't see his path to a FMVP though

Both Wade and Bosh were injured almost their entire career "Big 3 run".. Wade was quite literally a shell of himself due to knee injuries.

Show me Kevin Love's playoff record pre Lebron... I'm still waiting

Because basketball is a TEAM sport... and like Bird, Magic, Kareem, MJ, Kobe, Shaq, Wilt you need talent in order to compete

KD had no rings before he joined Steph. But go on.

It's ****ty but it's part of the game

Also significantly toned down recently